Most Christians accept evolution

[Marinus 0]

This is only one (rather famous) example of evolution of a species to adapt to a (in this case) man-made change in the environment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peppered_moth_evolution

And this is no micro evolution, because that is simply a nonsensical term used by creationists to help them to deny the evidence of the evolution we see happening all around us. Making the distinction between micro and macro evolution is about as stupid as making op the words shortwalking and longwalking with the intention to claim that walking less than a mile is a completely different activity from walking longer than a mile. There's only one kind of evolution whether it's small changes within a species or the change from one species into another.

As far as I'm considered there's three different positions in the debate:
there's evolution for people who have basic knowledge of evolution and some common sense, there's the agnostic position for those that know nothing about it or those that don't care and there's creationism for the ignorant fools that prefer the bronze age ramblings of tribal barbarians about talking snakes and trees of life over modern science.

[RonD1120 62]

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I'm gonna do a Coreece and post a youtube video in reply:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDaOgu2CQtI

Pearl Jam's "Do the Evolution." Sorry about the ad, but it's worth it. "I'm the first mammal to wear pants."

Yea, though I walk through the silicon valley of death, I shall fear no evil. For, my iPad and my Droid phone comfort me.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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We do not see where the, so called, global warming is creating any changes in creatures adaptation to their environment.

Huh? Frst you've got to make your mind up which one you disbelieve. If you don't think global warming is happening then you can't expect to see adaptations as a result of global warming. Regardless, 100 years is (above the level of micro-organisms) a tiny amount of time in evolutionary terms.

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Radiation has not produced any adaptive mutations.

What do you mean?

Kinda sounds like you expect evolution to work like in X-Men.

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In other words the only thing evolving is death.

One of the main mechanisms of evolution is natural selection. How do you think that works?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[RonD1120 62]

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We do not see where the, so called, global warming is creating any changes in creatures adaptation to their environment.

Huh? Frst you've got to make your mind up which one you disbelieve. If you don't think global warming is happening then you can't expect to see adaptations as a result of global warming.

I think both theories are false. They are perpetuated by the Satanic minions with one primary objective. Namely, their goal is to establish a one world government. Thereby all the citizens will be under the control and domination of the Antichrist.

Once you become mature enough to understand and accept what liberalism really is and accept the premise of an omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent God, the rest is easy.

Good day.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[jakee 1,575]

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We do not see where the, so called, global warming is creating any changes in creatures adaptation to their environment.

Huh? Frst you've got to make your mind up which one you disbelieve. If you don't think global warming is happening then you can't expect to see adaptations as a result of global warming.

I think both theories are false. They are perpetuated by the Satanic minions with one primary objective. Namely, their goal is to establish a one world government. Thereby all the citizens will be under the control and domination of the Antichrist.

It should be a no-brainer, but you're actually so crazy I'm not sure that you're joking.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt; very funny!

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[billvon 3,090]

Your one warning. No personal attacks.

[beowulf 1]

Before any rational thinking person can accept "the premise of an omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent God", evidence must be provided that any such being exists that can be independently tested and verified. Meanwhile there is plenty of evidence that has been independantly tested and verified that supports evolution. If you can prove that evolution is false then go for it. You would become very rich and famous for doing so.

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Before any rational thinking person can accept "the premise of an omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent God", evidence must be provided that any such being exists that can be independently tested and verified.

False start, it begins with faith.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[Marinus 0]

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False start, it begins with faith.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Xsj1UWol7l8#t=61s

[beowulf 1]

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Before any rational thinking person can accept "the premise of an omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent God", evidence must be provided that any such being exists that can be independently tested and verified.

False start, it begins with faith.

Why?

Is it because you have no evidence to support your claims?

[Coreece 190]

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Before any rational thinking person can accept "the premise of an omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent God", evidence must be provided that any such being exists that can be independently tested and verified.

False start, it begins with faith.

Why?

Is it because you have no evidence to support your claims?

There is plenty of personal evidence that sustains our faith. We are not here to prove anything to you. We share our experience/perspective - you either accept or reject...quite simply actually.

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

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Before any rational thinking person can accept "the premise of an omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent God", evidence must be provided that any such being exists that can be independently tested and verified.

False start, it begins with faith.

Why?

Is it because you have no evidence to support your claims?

There is plenty of personal evidence that sustains our faith. We are not here to prove anything to you. We share our experience/perspective - you either accept or reject...quite simply actually.

Personal evidence is meaningless with out actual evidence. Why believe something with out evidence? How do you know if what you believe is true if you have no evidence to support it? How do you know if your personal evidence is not just delusional? It can't be tested.

[wmw999 2,561]

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There is plenty of personal evidence that sustains our faith. We are not here to prove anything to you. We share our experience/perspective - you either accept or reject...quite simply actually.

Very nicely put. If someone doesn't want you to share your experience with them, I'm assuming you stop.

I think the problem is mostly with teh people (on both sides of the faith issue) who don't stop.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[beowulf 1]

There wouldn't be a problem if Christians kept their beliefs to themselves and didn't try to impose their beliefs on everyone around them. Many Christians try to impose their belief of Creationism on others when there isn't any evidence to support it while there is substantial evidence to support Evolution. This pushing of ignorance on the children of this country is a big problem. That is just one example of the problem with Christianity.

[beowulf 1]

Would you believe the Bible speaks the truth if you hadn't been raised from birth to think so?

Just a question to think about.

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How do you know if your personal evidence is not just delusional? It can't be tested.

Testing God really doesn't work...You must have a humble, contrite heart and then sincerely apply scripture to your life. Millions of people have done this and experienced similar results while seeing the promises of God come to fruition time and time again.

You'd probably be better off arguing placebo, rather than delusion but it doesn't matter much...

Furthermore It's ridiculous to put God under a microscope as if the limits of science could actually comprehend such an entity.

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

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There is plenty of personal evidence that sustains our faith. We are not here to prove anything to you. We share our experience/perspective - you either accept or reject...quite simply actually.

Very nicely put. If someone doesn't want you to share your experience with them, I'm assuming you stop.

I think the problem is mostly with teh people (on both sides of the faith issue) who don't stop.

Wendy P.

Matthew 10:14
If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town.

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

[Coreece 190]

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Would you believe the Bible speaks the truth if you hadn't been raised from birth to think so?

Just a question to think about.

Most people are more thoughtful than that...I didn't grow up in a really religious home. I have experience many religions...was apathetic, agnostic, and atheist. For me Biblical Christianity has outlasted them all - it works...It's the real deal.

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

[wmw999 2,561]

And this post is a good example why I admire the way you often seem to describe your approach to Christianity.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[beowulf 1]

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Testing God really doesn't work...

If you can't test that god exists then how do you know he does?

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You must have a humble, contrite heart and then sincerely apply scripture to your life. Millions of people have done this and experienced similar results while seeing the promises of God come to fruition time and time again.

Millions of people believe in Hinduism equally as fervent as you believe in Christianity. With out evidence they are both equally as likely to be valid. So the number of people believing doesn't matter.

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You'd probably be better off arguing placebo, rather than delusion but it doesn't matter much...

A delusion is a belief held with strong conviction despite superior evidence to the contrary.

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Furthermore It's ridiculous to put God under a microscope as if the limits of science could actually comprehend such an entity.

The claim is made that the Cristian God exists yet no evidence is provided. Claims are made that he proved his existence in the past yet no proof is provided today.

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Would you believe the Bible speaks the truth if you hadn't been raised from birth to think so?

Just a question to think about.

Most people are more thoughtful than that...I didn't grow up in a really religious home. I have experience many religions...was apathetic, agnostic, and atheist. For me Biblical Christianity has outlasted them all - it works...It's the real deal.

How do you know it works? How do you know it's the real deal? What have you done to test it?

[Coreece 190]

Why do you have to know everything?

And as I said...I don't "test" it. I live it, and it works.

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

[popsjumper 2]

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Before any rational thinking person can accept "the premise of an omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent God", evidence must be provided that any such being exists that can be independently tested and verified..

Are we still off on that stupidity?


I'll counter, once again, with this:
Before any rational thinking person can ask for proof of the metaphysical, one must realize that they are asking for the impossible which is totally irrational.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[beowulf 1]

I never said I had to know everything. A claim was made and I asked for evidence to support it.

So you just live it and you claim it works? How do you know it works?

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Personal evidence is meaningless with out actual evidence./reply]
And you would be wrong.

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Why believe something with out evidence?

And again, I'll counter with:
-Why disbelieve something with out evidence?

-How do you know if what you disbelieve is true if you have no evidence to support it?

-How do you know if YOUR personal evidence is not just delusional?

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It can't be tested.

You supplied your own answer. It's irrational to ask for a test of something that can't be tested. Surely you see that.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

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