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RonD1120 62
QuoteQuoteThere is no area in the fundamental sciences that can produce a postulate explaining how random matter and energy will spontaneously combine to produce ever more complex life forms.
Yes there is.QuoteNo there isn't. Prove it.
QuoteThe best argument I hear atheists using to defend "almighty evolution" as the creator and designer of the universe
No one does that.
QuoteYes they do.
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RonD1120 62
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People claim evolution as "the creator and designer of the universe"? I don't think I've ever heard that.
That is the explanation I have heard over and over explaining how we and everything else got here.
It may well be what you've heard, but it's not what has been said to you.
That is exactly what is said.
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.
RonD1120 62
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteYou're the one making the excuse...there have been several here that cared enough to give simple explanations and refer sources without taking jabs at people.
If you recall, you brushed off the guys that gave you sources and said you couldn't be bothered to red them.
Maybe...but I bet they were being condescending tits, weren't they?
And you lose that bet.
What do I win?
He is correct. You are so far behind you think you are in the lead. IMO
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.
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There is no area in the fundamental sciences that can produce a postulate explaining how random matter and energy will spontaneously combine to produce ever more complex life forms.
Yes there is.
No there isn't. Prove it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-organization
There are plenty of theories for self organization. Thats what this is about a postulate of how random energy and matter can form complex systems.
jakee 1,594
QuoteYes they do.QuoteQuoteThere is no area in the fundamental sciences that can produce a postulate explaining how random matter and energy will spontaneously combine to produce ever more complex life forms.
Yes there is.QuoteNo there isn't. Prove it.
QuoteThe best argument I hear atheists using to defend "almighty evolution" as the creator and designer of the universe
No one does that.
Who?
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
jakee 1,594
QuoteQuoteQuote
People claim evolution as "the creator and designer of the universe"? I don't think I've ever heard that.
That is the explanation I have heard over and over explaining how we and everything else got here.
It may well be what you've heard, but it's not what has been said to you.
That is exactly what is said.
Show me.
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
RonD1120 62
QuoteQuoteYes they do.QuoteQuoteThere is no area in the fundamental sciences that can produce a postulate explaining how random matter and energy will spontaneously combine to produce ever more complex life forms.
Yes there is.QuoteNo there isn't. Prove it.
QuoteThe best argument I hear atheists using to defend "almighty evolution" as the creator and designer of the universe
No one does that.
Who?
Those whom you referenced.
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.
RonD1120 62
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote
People claim evolution as "the creator and designer of the universe"? I don't think I've ever heard that.
That is the explanation I have heard over and over explaining how we and everything else got here.
It may well be what you've heard, but it's not what has been said to you.
That is exactly what is said.
Show me.
Again the responsibility for examples is on you.
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.
jakee 1,594
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteYou're the one making the excuse...there have been several here that cared enough to give simple explanations and refer sources without taking jabs at people.
If you recall, you brushed off the guys that gave you sources and said you couldn't be bothered to red them.
Maybe...but I bet they were being condescending tits, weren't they?
And you lose that bet.
What do I win?
He is correct.
He is not, Unles you can explain to me how this post, which contains nothing but a source, is being condescending.
Take your time, I'll wait for you to catch up.
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
jakee 1,594
QuoteQuoteQuoteYes they do.QuoteQuoteThere is no area in the fundamental sciences that can produce a postulate explaining how random matter and energy will spontaneously combine to produce ever more complex life forms.
Yes there is.QuoteNo there isn't. Prove it.
QuoteThe best argument I hear atheists using to defend "almighty evolution" as the creator and designer of the universe
No one does that.
Who?
Those whom you referenced.
I referenced "no one".
So, you are in fact saying that "no one" defends evolution as the creator of the universe? Good, you're learning.
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
jakee 1,594
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuote
People claim evolution as "the creator and designer of the universe"? I don't think I've ever heard that.
That is the explanation I have heard over and over explaining how we and everything else got here.
It may well be what you've heard, but it's not what has been said to you.
That is exactly what is said.
Show me.
Again the responsibility for examples is on you.
It's my responsibility to show that no one says what Max claims they say? OK, here it is:
" ". <--- See that? It's someone not saying it. I win.
Again, Ron doesn't understand his own argument. If you think Max's claim of what people do say is correct, then it is your responsibility to find an example of someone saying it.
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
billvon 3,107
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>Negative, your examples can go in both directions without degradation to the
>specimen. That is not life or evolution.
Agreed. Once again, it was merely an example that shows how random matter can spontaneously combine to produce more complex matter. This is the first step in the increase in complexity that gives us life, but is not in and of itself sufficient for life.
>I don't follow your statement, the phrase "god of the gaps" refers to phenomena being
>explained by unprovable events. Which can apply equally to creation originating from
>God or evolution.
No. As the name implies, "God of the gaps" is a view of God. It basically states that wherever we can't explain something by science, that's where God resides. Assuming we will, in the future, be able to explain it by extensions to science is the opposite of what's known as "God of the gaps."
>specimen. That is not life or evolution.
Agreed. Once again, it was merely an example that shows how random matter can spontaneously combine to produce more complex matter. This is the first step in the increase in complexity that gives us life, but is not in and of itself sufficient for life.
>I don't follow your statement, the phrase "god of the gaps" refers to phenomena being
>explained by unprovable events. Which can apply equally to creation originating from
>God or evolution.
No. As the name implies, "God of the gaps" is a view of God. It basically states that wherever we can't explain something by science, that's where God resides. Assuming we will, in the future, be able to explain it by extensions to science is the opposite of what's known as "God of the gaps."
billvon 3,107
I'm not going to let you two spend the next 100 posts saying "you said this" "no I didn't" "yes you did." That's spam.
Ron, if you want to make a claim, make it. If you don't, then stop with the spam.
Ron, if you want to make a claim, make it. If you don't, then stop with the spam.
Coreece 190
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteYou're the one making the excuse...there have been several here that cared enough to give simple explanations and refer sources without taking jabs at people.
If you recall, you brushed off the guys that gave you sources and said you couldn't be bothered to red them.
Maybe...but I bet they were being condescending tits, weren't they?
And you lose that bet.
What do I win?
He is correct.
He is not, Unles you can explain to me how this post, which contains nothing but a source, is being condescending.
I never said I "couldn't be bothered to read it" as you claim...and then steve just assumes I won't read it because I "value my ignorance," as he puts it...excuse me if I don't respond well to such condescension.
Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...
Coreece 190
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteYou'd think that if the "evolutionists" here actually cared they have more to say about something so tangible other than appeals to ridicule and complexity, i.e., "you're too stupid to understand."
If that's all you've ever taken away from the many, many information filled posts on the subject here then sorry, but it sounds like you are.
I was talking to beowulf...how many of those information filled posts were his?
You may have been replying to him but you were talking about all of us.
I didn't even have you in mind when I said that...and I've already alluded to those like philh and bill who seem more interested in explaining rather than taking cheap shots...
Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...
RonD1120 62
QuoteI'm not going to let you two spend the next 100 posts saying "you said this" "no I didn't" "yes you did." That's spam.
Ron, if you want to make a claim, make it. If you don't, then stop with the spam.
No problem, I'm done. I made my point but I don't think it was grasped. But anyway, you won't see any further posts from me in that vein, here or elsewhere.
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.
jakee 1,594
QuoteI never said I "couldn't be bothered to read it" as you claim
And yet that's exactly what came across.
Quoteexcuse me if I don't respond well to such condescension.
So you're psychic, is that it? You were responding to his condescension before he was condescending?
Like I said, you got the treatment you asked for, so stop whining.
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
And you lose that bet.
What do I win?
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