Most Christians accept evolution

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Thanks, for the post, Speedracer.
I, like most christians, accept evolution.

"Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings."
"Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up."

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I simply want to know where you stand on the issue. No bait, nothing to be afraid of...if you don't want to answer, that's fine.

No bait? Sure there's not - shall I refer you to your two posts directly above where you allege that religious people can't/won't think?

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No need for all the tap-dancing.

Then why do you keep doing it?

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If you don't think it's my business where you stand on the issue, that's ok.

And, again - the thread is about religious people and evolution.

1. You've already made the claim that religious people only think what religion tells them too.

2. You've said that you don't think I'm religious.

Given 1 and 2 above, *WHY* do you then keep asking me if I "accept evolution", Steve?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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[stevebabin 0]

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I simply want to know where you stand on the issue. No bait, nothing to be afraid of...if you don't want to answer, that's fine.

No bait? Sure there's not - shall I refer you to your two posts directly above where you allege that religious people can't/won't think?

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No need for all the tap-dancing.

Then why do you keep doing it?

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If you don't think it's my business where you stand on the issue, that's ok.

And, again - the thread is about religious people and evolution.

1. You've already made the claim that religious people only think what religion tells them too.

2. You've said that you don't think I'm religious.

Given 1 and 2 above, *WHY* do you then keep asking me if I "accept evolution", Steve?

The thread is about "christians" accepting evolution...Not the "religious" as you assert.
I made it clear that you need not feel compelled to answer. I asked you twice. You haven't answered, and I've stopped asking....How about this:

Mike, I do not want to know where you stand on the issue of evolution, I do not want you to feel uncomfortable or skittish or threatened. No one will compell you to take a stand. You can relax.

Feel better?

"Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings."
"Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up."

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I simply want to know where you stand on the issue. No bait, nothing to be afraid of...if you don't want to answer, that's fine.

No bait? Sure there's not - shall I refer you to your two posts directly above where you allege that religious people can't/won't think?

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No need for all the tap-dancing.

Then why do you keep doing it?

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If you don't think it's my business where you stand on the issue, that's ok.

And, again - the thread is about religious people and evolution.

1. You've already made the claim that religious people only think what religion tells them too.

2. You've said that you don't think I'm religious.

Given 1 and 2 above, *WHY* do you then keep asking me if I "accept evolution", Steve?

The thread is about "christians" accepting evolution...Not the "religious" as you assert.
I made it clear that you need not feel compelled to answer. I asked you twice. You haven't answered, and I've stopped asking....How about this:

Mike, I do not want to know where you stand on the issue of evolution, I do not want you to feel uncomfortable or skittish or threatened. No one will compell you to take a stand. You can relax.

Feel better?

It was a *very* nice 'concern troll' attempt, but ultimately unconvincing.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[billvon 3,100]

Both of you - enough. If you don't want to answer the question, don't - but stop trolling.

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Both of you - enough. If you don't want to answer the question, don't - but stop trolling.

No trolling on my part, Bill...honestly just a simple question. I'll knock it off and keep from asking as you wish.

"Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings."
"Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up."

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1. You've already made the claim that religious people only think what religion tells them too.

2. You've said that you don't think I'm religious.

Given 1 and 2 above, *WHY* do you then keep asking me if I "accept evolution", Steve?

Not exactly true. He said that he didn't assume you were religious - the question of your religiosity is an open book, undecided either way.

Thus the question of whether you accept evolution may well still be relevant under the strict criteria you have layed out. Unless maybe you think we should assume that you're *not* religious. Would that be better?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Thanks, for the post, Speedracer.
I, like most christians, accept evolution.

What about the Bombardier Beetle?

http://www.wild-facts.com/tag/bombardier-beetle-facts/

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 62]

You have me thinking. I'll get back to you. It's supper time.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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Thanks, for the post, Speedracer.
I, like most christians, accept evolution.

What about the Bombardier Beetle?

http://www.wild-facts.com/tag/bombardier-beetle-facts/

It has evolved a complex defensive mechanism.
What do you find relevant about it?

"Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings."
"Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up."

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Thanks, for the post, Speedracer.
I, like most christians, accept evolution.

What about the Bombardier Beetle?

http://www.wild-facts.com/tag/bombardier-beetle-facts/

http://talkorigins.org/faqs/bombardier.html

[jakee 1,586]

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Thanks, for the post, Speedracer.
I, like most christians, accept evolution.

What about the Bombardier Beetle?

http://www.wild-facts.com/tag/bombardier-beetle-facts/

What about the Bombardier Beetle?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Thanks, for the post, Speedracer.
I, like most christians, accept evolution.

What about the Bombardier Beetle?

http://www.wild-facts.com/tag/bombardier-beetle-facts/

What about the Bombardier Beetle?

It's a very nice example of evolution, that's what.

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Thanks, for the post, Speedracer.
I, like most christians, accept evolution.

Getting back to the original post, I'm not convinced that most Christians accept evolution, though I know that a lot of them do.

[billvon 3,100]

>Getting back to the original post, I'm not convinced that most Christians accept
>evolution, though I know that a lot of them do.

In my experience (the people I know) most do, although I also know that national polls show that most Christians believe in some form of creationism.

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It seems to me that if the "spirit" was non-physical and just used the physical body as a device, physical disease or damage might impair functionality (such as making you blind, like removing the lens from a camera), but it wouldn't be able to change the essence of who you are. Do you have a resolution to this problem?

Cheers,
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Thanks, for the post, Speedracer.
I, like most christians, accept evolution.

Getting back to the original post, I'm not convinced that most Christians accept evolution, though I know that a lot of them do.

In my limited experience, if you ask individual christians if they accept evolution, the majority of them will say they do. The others will usually deflect the question and not answer. Very few will admit openly to a disbelief in evolution.

"Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings."
"Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up."

[maadmax 0]

Thanks, for the post, Speedracer.
I, like most christians, accept evolution.

Getting back to the original post, I'm not convinced that most Christians accept evolution, though I know that a lot of them do.

[billvon 3,100]

>To claim that the subatomic plasma from the big bang just happened to settle out like
>it did boggles statistical probabilities.

The probability that it did settle out in _some_ way is 1. So the question becomes - is there any evidence that this is NOT the way it happened?

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Thanks, for the post, Speedracer.
I, like most christians, accept evolution.

Getting back to the original post, I'm not convinced that most Christians accept evolution, though I know that a lot of them do.

As a Christian I have no problem with evolution. But I do have a problem with so called "scientists" that use an extremely limited understanding of the origins of life on earth to conclude that God doesn't exist. To claim that the subatomic plasma from the big bang just happened to settle out like it did boggles statistical probabilities.

Those who reject God have used various rational throughout the ages. Evolution is just the latest flavor for those who want to reject God and whitewash their self deification.


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>Getting back to the original post, I'm not convinced that most Christians accept
>evolution, though I know that a lot of them do.

In my experience (the people I know) most do, although I also know that national polls show that most Christians believe in some form of creationism.

Yeah, my response was based more on what I've seen in polls than on my own experience. From the Christians I know (and I know quite a few), I can think of several who accept evolution and several who don't, but with most of them the subject has never come up, so I have no idea what they think about it.

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>Getting back to the original post, I'm not convinced that most Christians accept
>evolution, though I know that a lot of them do.

In my experience (the people I know) most do, although I also know that national polls show that most Christians believe in some form of creationism.

Yeah, my response was based more on what I've seen in polls than on my own experience. From the Christians I know (and I know quite a few), I can think of several who accept evolution and several who don't, but with most of them the subject has never come up, so I have no idea what they think about it.

Ask them directly. Watch what happens.

"Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings."
"Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up."

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As a Christian I have no problem with evolution. But I do have a problem with so called "scientists" that use an extremely limited understanding of the origins of life on earth to conclude that God doesn't exist.

I agree that it doesn't make much sense to try to use science to prove that God doesn't exist, though science can disprove certain elements of some religions. I don't think science has much to do with my own non-belief in god(s). For me, it's not that the idea has been disproved; I've just never found a compelling reason to believe it.

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Yeah, my response was based more on what I've seen in polls than on my own experience. From the Christians I know (and I know quite a few), I can think of several who accept evolution and several who don't, but with most of them the subject has never come up, so I have no idea what they think about it.

Ask them directly. Watch what happens.

I don't think I'll email or call them all right now to ask them, but if a situation arises where it seems like a good conversation to start, I'll do that. I think I generally don't try to start science discussions with people who don't seem interested in science, but I guess the topic of evolution is somewhat philosophical as well.

Edit: But you've got me really tempted right now to post on facebook: "Hey Christian friends/family, what do you think of evolution?" I might regret it, but it might be interesting . . .

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The probability that it did settle out in _some_ way is 1. So the question becomes - is there any evidence that this is NOT the way it happened?