maadmax 0
Shotgun 1
QuoteThe authors of the Bible could only write what they knew. Their scientific knowledge was lacking but their spiritual knowledge was inspired by God. The purpose of the Bible is to convey spiritual Truth. Which is as intergral to reality as is scientific truths.
I think this could be said about most of the religious texts. What I find interesting is that, for most people, the one they believe is the "Truth" is largely dependent on geography.
winsor 236
The authors of the Bible could only write what they knew.
Which was, of course, not much.
QuoteTheir scientific knowledge was lacking but their spiritual knowledge was inspired by God.
Petito Principii - entirely circular logic wherein the conclusion depends entirely upon presumption of the premise.
If you want to believe, fine. If you want to make a coherent statement, you are welcome to do so at any time.
QuoteThe purpose of the Bible is to convey spiritual Truth. Which is as intergral to reality as is scientific truths.
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It is easily demonstrated that assembling the translations of various books that comprise any version of the 'Bible' to which you refer was done for specific reasons, none of which had anything to do with truth of any kind. Veracity was but an occasional byproduct.
There are portions of the texts that are accurate, some that are wildly inaccurate, many that are heavily edited, and others that are entirely redacted.
The originals of the various scriptures were written at various times and for quite different audiences. To treat the compendium as anything close to monolithic requires a true commitment to ignorance.
BSBD,
Winsor
Coreece 190
QuoteQuoteQuoteAnyway, time for bed... Goog night
Oh well, I can go all night bustin' you up...
You flatter yourself without cause.
Whatever, you guys are forked and you know it. You have no plays other than ad hom and fallacious appeals.
...and you guys claim to be the logical ones, lol...don't flatter yourself.
Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...
Coreece 190
QuoteQuoteThe authors of the Bible could only write what they knew. Their scientific knowledge was lacking but their spiritual knowledge was inspired by God. The purpose of the Bible is to convey spiritual Truth. Which is as intergral to reality as is scientific truths.
I think this could be said about most of the religious texts. What I find interesting is that, for most people, the one they believe is the "Truth" is largely dependent on geography.
It's really not all that interesting...scripture originated approximately 7,000 miles away and has pretty much saturated the west. I suspect it's success to the east has been thwarted somewhat due to communism.
Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...
kallend 2,112
Do you perceive black spots in the figure? Are they real or just a figment of your brain's structure?
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
Marinus 0
QuoteHuman beings, vegetables, or cosmic dust, we all dance to a mysterious tune, intoned in the distance by an invisible player.
Albert Einstein
Christians often try to misquote Einstein to make him look like a theist, in reality he considered your God "a product of human weakness" and your bible "pretty childish" and your faith "blind".
Einstein was obviously very spiritual, but that doesn't mean he adhered to religious stupidity.
Coreece 190
QuoteEinstein was obviously very spiritual
lmao...you're really confused aren't you?
Fuck Einstein...
Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...
Marinus 0
Quotelmao...you're really confused aren't you?
Perhaps, but in the end I'm not the one that thinks the creator of the universe committed suicide to save an undetectable part of my brain referred to as a soul. Einstein claimed the universe itself had divine qualities, and why not? Your god is a magician with a few magic tricks up his sleeve, nothing more, puny compared to even something small and significant like the solar system.
RonD1120 62
QuoteMy mother once noted that listening to 'The Lone Ranger' on the radio allowed one to imagine the scene being played out such that it was plausible.
After transition to the silver screen, however, one was faced with the image of a guy wearing a mask wandering around town (with a faithful indian companion, no less) with nobody giving him a second glance - the whole scenario being clearly preposterous.
Religion is similar to the radio version of the story. On can imagine some kind of omnipotent entity that is ultimately responsible for everything, knows if you've been naughty or nice, will ensure that everything works out for the best for everyone, and so forth.
Any time neolithic to Bronze Age storytelling is subjected to the cold, harsh glare of critical evaluation, however, the whole set of concepts is revealed to be orders of magnitude more preposterous than any radio serial could ever be.
A few minutes perusing data from the Hubble Space Telescope or other astronomical scanning system reveals to be patent nonsense the suggestion that everything is the result of some invisible entity of infinitely greater power and complexity, whose origins are addressed by hand-waving (if at all).
Then you have the idea that some cosmic entity, for unstated reasons, has complete knowledge of every nuance of every life form ever to exist, has deemed one life form to be distinct from all others (according to said life form), and maintains the cosmic essence of each of these preferred life forms for eternity (Save the humans! Collect the whole set!).
Since I have no particular recollection of existance prior to my birth, I am comfortable with the idea that I will revert to a similar state of nonexistance after death. Anything that has a beginning is likely to have an end, and I'm cool with that.
There is an evolutionary basis for the susceptibility to belief in humans, which is supportive of evolution, rather than that which is believed in particular. Letting on that one is lacking in said susceptibility has historically resulted in one being removed from the gene pool, typically by crowds of true believers worked up into a murderous frenzy.
Though routinely portrayed in completely the opposite fashion, for myriad reasons, believers have always been a real threat to skeptics, but skeptics have yet to pose any particular threat to believers.
Back to the topic of the thread. Most people who characterize themselves as 'Christian' tend to compartmentalize, where they adhere to many of the social norms and customs associated with 'Christianity' without giving the details of the underlying mythology an awful lot of thought, but accept much of the technical realities of 'modern' existence as well. The 'faith' part of the equation addresses issues some people haven't quite figured out, kind of a 'beyond this point there be dragons!' limit to issues under consideration.
Of course you have some people who observe customs and traditions, but view their source as superstitions from a bygone age, and you also have people who treat one text or another as the Absolute Truth (tm) - typos and all.
Why people give lip service to the religion du jour reminds me of a long-married guy who finally came out of the closet. When asked why he had lived a 'straight' lifestyle for so long, his response was enlightening.
According to him, he did not want to believe he was gay, and did everything he could to convince himself otherwise. "Who wants to be a paraiah?"
There are people who 'believe' for similar reasons. When asked why, one cynic replied "it's easier."
BSBD,
Winsor
Thank you for your learned response. I know by your articulation you have several IQ points over me. I have only been estimated as two standard deviations from the mean. I am not sure what that means.
I too remember listening to the Lone Ranger. In my case with my grandmother, a real pioneer woman of her age. She loved to drink, smoke, cuss and fight but, I digress.
I remember my younger years being taught to compartmentalize my thoughts as an organizational tool.
And now, despite the blessings in my life that have materialized without my forethought or planning, I read your passage of wisdom and realize, I can be like you and have nothing to live for.
I am just one of the fringe people barking in the madness.
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.
RonD1120 62
QuoteQuoteEinstein was obviously very spiritual
lmao...you're really confused aren't you?
Fuck Einstein...
I posted that quote from my iGoogle home page just the amuse myself with the heathen reaction.
Have you ever noticed that all the really smart people here have plenty to say to negate our faith and belief but, they never have anything to share about themselves?
They come across, to me anyway, as imitation people. They are just examples of the enemy in cyberspace.
They just don't have much to say regarding love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness or self-control.
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.
QuoteI'm not the one that thinks the creator of the universe committed suicide.....
Well. THAT'S certasinly enlightening.
You've blown your credibility out of the water/wine.
My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239
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They come across, to me anyway, as imitation people. They are just examples of the enemy in cyberspace.
They just don't have much to say regarding love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness or self-control.
What do you want?
Talking just for myself:
Why should I tell you anything about the love to my kids, my man, our cats crossing the garden every day on same path, the beautiful country I live in?
My house is in a wonderful alley full of Japanese cherrytrees, why should I tell you how wonderful it looks in spring, the cherry blossom ... ?
You're not my friend, you do not belong to my inner circle.
No need to tell you anything.
What really makes me wonder is *your self-control*. Seems to be a biggie in your life, right?
Not first time you mention it, seems you struggle for something special ?
dudeist skydiver # 3105
QuoteThey just don't have much to say regarding love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness or self-control.
Yep, so far, it's been by far and away mostly hate and derogatories with just so very few acts of decent discussion.
Such is life.
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My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239
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They come across, to me anyway, as imitation people. They are just examples of the enemy in cyberspace.
They just don't have much to say regarding love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness or self-control.
What do you want?
In your haste to baste, you missed his entire point.
My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239
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They come across, to me anyway, as imitation people. They are just examples of the enemy in cyberspace.
They just don't have much to say regarding love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness or self-control.
What do you want?
In your haste to baste, you missed his entire point.
No. It was just a small example for what I dislike:
Spreading the *belief* around, slamming others b/c they do not believe like Ron-No. ? . - that is MY point.
Just to mention: "They just don't have much to say ...."
is a gall
dudeist skydiver # 3105
Marinus 0
Jesus is or is part of the same being that's the creator of the universe and had the intention to die on the cross. We can discuss technicalities whether it was suicide, assisted suicide or suicide by legionnaire but my statement is in essence correct. Christianity is just that insane...
winsor 236
QuoteAnd now, despite the blessings in my life that have materialized without my forethought or planning, I read your passage of wisdom and realize, I can be like you and have nothing to live for.
As far as your being like me, that is by no means my goal - and is not necessarily possible (for reasons other than the obvious).
Your claim that I have nothing for which to live only holds water if one presumes your values to be universal. This does not appear to be the case.
If you want to believe things, fine.
If you are willing to live and let live, that's great as well.
If, rather than saying "I believe XYZ" you choose to claim "XYZ is the Truth (tm)," do not take it personally if said claims are subjected to a sanity check.
Anyhow, you might be right, but the odds of that being the case round off at zero to significant digits. If, however, your beliefs make you happy, good for you.
BSBD,
Winsor
kallend 2,112
Quote
Thank you for your learned response. I know by your articulation you have several IQ points over me. I have only been estimated as two standard deviations from the mean. I am not sure what that means.
IQ = 70 is 2 standard devs. from the mean.
In the old days, "moron" was applied to people with an IQ of 51-70
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
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They come across, to me anyway, as imitation people. They are just examples of the enemy in cyberspace.
They just don't have much to say regarding love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness or self-control.
What do you want?
In your haste to baste, you missed his entire point.
No. It was just a small example for what I dislike:
Spreading the *belief* around, slamming others b/c they do not believe like Ron-No. ? . - that is MY point.
Just to mention: "They just don't have much to say ...."
is a gall
Nope. You still are missing it.
But, OK.
What you are looking at is a few people saying they believe and answering questions, almost as well as can be, explaining why who what when and why they believe.
OTOH, you have the others telling they are ignorant, stupid and (insert your own dergoatory words here) for believing. Take note that none of that is about what he was saying.
Surely you see that.
...And yes, you see some pot shots coming back at the hateful comments.
...and what they are saying is very little other than repitition, repitiion, repitition...not much else to say. Sorry that galls you, but there you have it. Even your own posts fall directly into line with degatory with little to say.
My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239
Coreece 190
QuoteYou're not my friend, you do not belong to my inner circle.
Matthew 5:46-47
Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
"If you love only those who love you, why should you get a reward for that? Even the tax collectors do that. And if you are nice only to your friends, you are no better than anyone else. Even the people who don’t know God are nice to their friends."
Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...
Oooo, Ooooo...you accidently raised a topic that can be discussed!
Suicide.
Now I ask you, just where did the idea come from that suicide was a bad thing?
I can see a few sources for that idea:
1. The big one. Religion. Suicide is a sin.
2. Survivors. Emotional impact.
"You bozo! You went and did yourself in and left me here an emotional wreck. You should not suicide!"
3. Gooobermint: Financial. "Asshole! Now we have one less taxpayer."
4. Credtors: Financial. "Damn you! You just cost us $XXX in uncollectable bills."
None of those reasons justify the laws against moving on with real dignity.
Yes, we have Death with Dignity. The is only a pat on the head and a wink to those who would trully elect to die with dignity. Dw/D simply means that you can lay there and suffer while the powers that be do as little as possible to ease your suffering. We have laws at all levels, we have oaths of all kinds and versions and we have and endless array of morals of the caregivers to deal with when going that lame route.
So, just where does all the push-back come from?
Me? Jack Kevorkian was a hero.
Suicide.
Now I ask you, just where did the idea come from that suicide was a bad thing?
I can see a few sources for that idea:
1. The big one. Religion. Suicide is a sin.
2. Survivors. Emotional impact.
"You bozo! You went and did yourself in and left me here an emotional wreck. You should not suicide!"
3. Gooobermint: Financial. "Asshole! Now we have one less taxpayer."
4. Credtors: Financial. "Damn you! You just cost us $XXX in uncollectable bills."
None of those reasons justify the laws against moving on with real dignity.
Yes, we have Death with Dignity. The is only a pat on the head and a wink to those who would trully elect to die with dignity. Dw/D simply means that you can lay there and suffer while the powers that be do as little as possible to ease your suffering. We have laws at all levels, we have oaths of all kinds and versions and we have and endless array of morals of the caregivers to deal with when going that lame route.
So, just where does all the push-back come from?
Me? Jack Kevorkian was a hero.
My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239
BSBD,
Winsor
The authors of the Bible could only write what they knew. Their scientific knowledge was lacking but their spiritual knowledge was inspired by God. The purpose of the Bible is to convey spiritual Truth. Which is as intergral to reality as is scientific truths.
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