popsjumper 2 #51 June 1, 2012 QuoteThere wouldn't be a problem if Christians kept their beliefs to themselves and didn't try to impose their beliefs on everyone around them. Quote Seems to me that the atheists are more guilty of that than the religious. YMMV. I'm guessing in your view then everyone should just STFU and not discuss religion at all. If discussing religious views offends you, hell, dude, don't listen. Simple. I don't know that any religion that would tie you down with a gun to your head making you listen to their viewpoints. QuoteThis pushing of ignorance on the children of this country is a big problem. That is just one example of the problem with atheism. FIFY.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites deltron80 0 #52 June 1, 2012 QuoteWhy do you have to know everything? And as I said...I don't "test" it. I live it, and it works. Why do you have faith in and believe in God? Why do you have faith in and believe the Bible is the word of God? Not asking for evidence per se, just wondering why. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites beowulf 1 #53 June 1, 2012 Your logic is very flawed. You seem to be saying that everything is true till proven wrong. So we should believe in everything till it's proven to be wrong? So all gods are real untill we can prove that they don't exist?? Does that really make sense to you? "Why disbelieve something with out evidence?" Because that makes sense otherwise it doesn't. "How do you know if what you disbelieve is true if you have no evidence to support it?" Because it doesn't make sense to believe something if there is no evidence or logical reasoning to support it. "How do you know if YOUR personal evidence is not just delusional?" I don't have any personal evidence. I am asking for evidence to support a claim that was made. "You supplied your own answer. It's irrational to ask for a test of something that can't be tested. Surely you see that." If it can't be tested then there is no reason to believe it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites beowulf 1 #54 June 1, 2012 QuoteQuoteThere wouldn't be a problem if Christians kept their beliefs to themselves and didn't try to impose their beliefs on everyone around them. Quote Seems to me that the atheists are more guilty of that than the religious. YMMV. I'm guessing in your view then everyone should just STFU and not discuss religion at all. If discussing religious views offends you, hell, dude, don't listen. Simple. I don't know that any religion that would tie you down with a gun to your head making you listen to their viewpoints. QuoteThis pushing of ignorance on the children of this country is a big problem. That is just one example of the problem with atheism. FIFY. How are atheists guilty of pushing their beliefs on people? Discussing religion doesn't offend me. I was just asking for evidence to support their claims. How is atheism pushing ignorance on the children of this country??? You have very flawed logic that doesn't make any sense. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites beowulf 1 #55 June 1, 2012 Quote Quote Before any rational thinking person can accept "the premise of an omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent God", evidence must be provided that any such being exists that can be independently tested and verified.. Are we still off on that stupidity? I'll counter, once again, with this: Before any rational thinking person can ask for proof of the metaphysical, one must realize that they are asking for the impossible which is totally irrational. Then there is no reason to believe the metaphysical exists at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,594 #56 June 1, 2012 QuoteSeems to me that the atheists are more guilty of that than the religious. Yeah, but that's because you're hilariously biased. QuoteSimple. I don't know that any religion that would tie you down with a gun to your head making you listen to their viewpoints. I can think of a whole group of religious people who would do that. You might have heard of them, they've kinda been in the news a little this last decade.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites beowulf 1 #57 June 1, 2012 I question his whole premise of atheists being guilty of imposing their beliefs on others. Evolution is not a belief. It's fact. There is evidence that can and has been tested that supports Evolution. Anyone who wishes to educate themselves on Evolution can do so and test out the claims that were made and see the evidence that supports those claims. It would take time to learn biology, paleontology, chemistry, geology but it can be done. They all support Evolution. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RonD1120 62 #58 June 1, 2012 Quote Personal evidence is meaningless with out actual evidence. Why believe something with out evidence? How do you know if what you believe is true if you have no evidence to support it? How do you know if your personal evidence is not just delusional? It can't be tested. Come on, personal insight is evidence. Skydiver: Last Sunday I experienced an orgasmic skydive. Observer: What evidence do you have to support your claim? Skydiver: I felt the joy. I learned something about skydiving and my canopy performance. Observer: That is not evidence. It can't be objectively verified. Skydiver: OK, buzz off.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites deltron80 0 #59 June 1, 2012 Ron, Why do you believe and have faith that God exists? Why do you believe and have faith that the Bible is the inspired word of God? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites beowulf 1 #60 June 1, 2012 No personal insight is not evidence. Your example is of feelings. Feelings can be observed in a controlled setting using the right equipment so it's not the same thing as claiming the existence of a super natural being which can not be observed in a controlled setting. In your example the observer can go skydive and experience it and see what he feels. But since feelings are subjective he may have different feelings from the skydiver. Your logic is not very good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RonD1120 62 #61 June 1, 2012 QuoteRon, Why do you believe and have faith that God exists? Why do you believe and have faith that the Bible is the inspired word of God? He changed my life, my personality. The Bible enhances my faith and belief thus improving the quality of my life.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RonD1120 62 #62 June 1, 2012 QuoteNo personal insight is not evidence. Your example is of feelings. Feelings can be observed in a controlled setting using the right equipment so it's not the same thing as claiming the existence of a super natural being which can not be observed in a controlled setting. In your example the observer can go skydive and experience it and see what he feels. But since feelings are subjective he may have different feelings from the skydiver. Your logic is not very good. And, the non-believer can humble himself before the Cross of Christ and repent. Then he too can see what it feels like. That will never happen as long as the non-believer maintains his ego-centrism and worships his own mind.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites beowulf 1 #63 June 1, 2012 Millions of people can believe the Christian God is real. But that doesn't make it so. Just like the Hindu gods are no more real despite the millions of people that believe Hinduism. Do you think the Hindu gods are real?? Lots of people believe in them so they must exist right?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites beowulf 1 #64 June 1, 2012 QuoteQuoteRon, Why do you believe and have faith that God exists? Why do you believe and have faith that the Bible is the inspired word of God? He changed my life, my personality. The Bible enhances my faith and belief thus improving the quality of my life. How do you know God changed your life and your personality? How do you know your faith and belief improves your quality of life? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites beowulf 1 #65 June 1, 2012 QuoteQuoteNo personal insight is not evidence. Your example is of feelings. Feelings can be observed in a controlled setting using the right equipment so it's not the same thing as claiming the existence of a super natural being which can not be observed in a controlled setting. In your example the observer can go skydive and experience it and see what he feels. But since feelings are subjective he may have different feelings from the skydiver. Your logic is not very good. And, the non-believer can humble himself before the Cross of Christ and repent. Then he too can see what it feels like. That will never happen as long as the non-believer maintains his ego-centrism and worships his own mind. So now it's back to you just have to believe before you can believe. So you have no evidence of any of your claims. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RonD1120 62 #66 June 1, 2012 QuoteMillions of people can believe the Christian God is real. But that doesn't make it so. Just like the Hindu gods are no more real despite the millions of people that believe Hinduism. Do you think the Hindu gods are real?? Lots of people believe in them so they must exist right?? I tried their path, didn't work for me. I tried some others as well. My spiritual sojourn was my life's focus and purpose from 1972 until I met Christ 16 March 1981. I believed that anything as important as the eternal habitation of my soul was worth total undivided attention. Obviously, it does not seem to be that big a deal for you and others. So be it.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites normiss 892 #67 June 1, 2012 Seems like one should practice ALL religions. Better odds. "Two men say they're jesus, one of them must be wrong" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites beowulf 1 #68 June 1, 2012 How do you know you met Christ? How do you know you have an eternal soul? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites beowulf 1 #69 June 1, 2012 Quote Seems like one should practice ALL religions. Better odds. "Two men say they're jesus, one of them must be wrong" That would be a lot of work!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RonD1120 62 #70 June 1, 2012 I've lost interest in such adolescence.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites beowulf 1 #71 June 1, 2012 Is that because you can't answer the questions? How do you know what you claim to know if there is no evidence to support it? How do you know you actually met Christ? How do you know there is a soul? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites deltron80 0 #72 June 1, 2012 Ron believes in God because he personally met him. That sounds like a good reason to me. Most other people's reason is simply that their parents raised them in the church. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites beowulf 1 #73 June 1, 2012 How does he know he actually met Christ? What proof did Christ provide? Why doesn't Christ present himself to everyone and do some of the things he did in the Bible to prove who he is? I want to see him actually turn water into wine in a controlled environment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites deltron80 0 #74 June 1, 2012 QuoteIs that because you can't answer the questions? No real Christian can answer these questions... It's too difficult for them to overcome the reality that they have no reason to believe what they've based their entire life upon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,594 #75 June 1, 2012 QuoteCome on, personal insight is evidence. Skydiver: Last Sunday I experienced an orgasmic skydive. Observer: What evidence do you have to support your claim? Skydiver: I felt the joy. I learned something about skydiving and my canopy performance. Observer: That is not evidence. It can't be objectively verified. Skydiver: OK, buzz off. Why would anyone question the claimed emotion? That's just stupid. No one is disputing your belief makes you happy if you say it makes you happy. What religious people do (to hijack the metaphor) is use the experience of the orgasmic skydive to claim the existence of a skydiving orgasm fairy.Do you want to have an ideagasm? 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deltron80 0 #52 June 1, 2012 QuoteWhy do you have to know everything? And as I said...I don't "test" it. I live it, and it works. Why do you have faith in and believe in God? Why do you have faith in and believe the Bible is the word of God? Not asking for evidence per se, just wondering why. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #53 June 1, 2012 Your logic is very flawed. You seem to be saying that everything is true till proven wrong. So we should believe in everything till it's proven to be wrong? So all gods are real untill we can prove that they don't exist?? Does that really make sense to you? "Why disbelieve something with out evidence?" Because that makes sense otherwise it doesn't. "How do you know if what you disbelieve is true if you have no evidence to support it?" Because it doesn't make sense to believe something if there is no evidence or logical reasoning to support it. "How do you know if YOUR personal evidence is not just delusional?" I don't have any personal evidence. I am asking for evidence to support a claim that was made. "You supplied your own answer. It's irrational to ask for a test of something that can't be tested. Surely you see that." If it can't be tested then there is no reason to believe it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #54 June 1, 2012 QuoteQuoteThere wouldn't be a problem if Christians kept their beliefs to themselves and didn't try to impose their beliefs on everyone around them. Quote Seems to me that the atheists are more guilty of that than the religious. YMMV. I'm guessing in your view then everyone should just STFU and not discuss religion at all. If discussing religious views offends you, hell, dude, don't listen. Simple. I don't know that any religion that would tie you down with a gun to your head making you listen to their viewpoints. QuoteThis pushing of ignorance on the children of this country is a big problem. That is just one example of the problem with atheism. FIFY. How are atheists guilty of pushing their beliefs on people? Discussing religion doesn't offend me. I was just asking for evidence to support their claims. How is atheism pushing ignorance on the children of this country??? You have very flawed logic that doesn't make any sense. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites beowulf 1 #55 June 1, 2012 Quote Quote Before any rational thinking person can accept "the premise of an omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent God", evidence must be provided that any such being exists that can be independently tested and verified.. Are we still off on that stupidity? I'll counter, once again, with this: Before any rational thinking person can ask for proof of the metaphysical, one must realize that they are asking for the impossible which is totally irrational. Then there is no reason to believe the metaphysical exists at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,594 #56 June 1, 2012 QuoteSeems to me that the atheists are more guilty of that than the religious. Yeah, but that's because you're hilariously biased. QuoteSimple. I don't know that any religion that would tie you down with a gun to your head making you listen to their viewpoints. I can think of a whole group of religious people who would do that. You might have heard of them, they've kinda been in the news a little this last decade.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites beowulf 1 #57 June 1, 2012 I question his whole premise of atheists being guilty of imposing their beliefs on others. Evolution is not a belief. It's fact. There is evidence that can and has been tested that supports Evolution. Anyone who wishes to educate themselves on Evolution can do so and test out the claims that were made and see the evidence that supports those claims. It would take time to learn biology, paleontology, chemistry, geology but it can be done. They all support Evolution. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RonD1120 62 #58 June 1, 2012 Quote Personal evidence is meaningless with out actual evidence. Why believe something with out evidence? How do you know if what you believe is true if you have no evidence to support it? How do you know if your personal evidence is not just delusional? It can't be tested. Come on, personal insight is evidence. Skydiver: Last Sunday I experienced an orgasmic skydive. Observer: What evidence do you have to support your claim? Skydiver: I felt the joy. I learned something about skydiving and my canopy performance. Observer: That is not evidence. It can't be objectively verified. Skydiver: OK, buzz off.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites deltron80 0 #59 June 1, 2012 Ron, Why do you believe and have faith that God exists? Why do you believe and have faith that the Bible is the inspired word of God? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites beowulf 1 #60 June 1, 2012 No personal insight is not evidence. Your example is of feelings. Feelings can be observed in a controlled setting using the right equipment so it's not the same thing as claiming the existence of a super natural being which can not be observed in a controlled setting. In your example the observer can go skydive and experience it and see what he feels. But since feelings are subjective he may have different feelings from the skydiver. Your logic is not very good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RonD1120 62 #61 June 1, 2012 QuoteRon, Why do you believe and have faith that God exists? Why do you believe and have faith that the Bible is the inspired word of God? He changed my life, my personality. The Bible enhances my faith and belief thus improving the quality of my life.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RonD1120 62 #62 June 1, 2012 QuoteNo personal insight is not evidence. Your example is of feelings. Feelings can be observed in a controlled setting using the right equipment so it's not the same thing as claiming the existence of a super natural being which can not be observed in a controlled setting. In your example the observer can go skydive and experience it and see what he feels. But since feelings are subjective he may have different feelings from the skydiver. Your logic is not very good. And, the non-believer can humble himself before the Cross of Christ and repent. Then he too can see what it feels like. That will never happen as long as the non-believer maintains his ego-centrism and worships his own mind.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites beowulf 1 #63 June 1, 2012 Millions of people can believe the Christian God is real. But that doesn't make it so. Just like the Hindu gods are no more real despite the millions of people that believe Hinduism. Do you think the Hindu gods are real?? Lots of people believe in them so they must exist right?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites beowulf 1 #64 June 1, 2012 QuoteQuoteRon, Why do you believe and have faith that God exists? Why do you believe and have faith that the Bible is the inspired word of God? He changed my life, my personality. The Bible enhances my faith and belief thus improving the quality of my life. How do you know God changed your life and your personality? How do you know your faith and belief improves your quality of life? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites beowulf 1 #65 June 1, 2012 QuoteQuoteNo personal insight is not evidence. Your example is of feelings. Feelings can be observed in a controlled setting using the right equipment so it's not the same thing as claiming the existence of a super natural being which can not be observed in a controlled setting. In your example the observer can go skydive and experience it and see what he feels. But since feelings are subjective he may have different feelings from the skydiver. Your logic is not very good. And, the non-believer can humble himself before the Cross of Christ and repent. Then he too can see what it feels like. That will never happen as long as the non-believer maintains his ego-centrism and worships his own mind. So now it's back to you just have to believe before you can believe. So you have no evidence of any of your claims. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RonD1120 62 #66 June 1, 2012 QuoteMillions of people can believe the Christian God is real. But that doesn't make it so. Just like the Hindu gods are no more real despite the millions of people that believe Hinduism. Do you think the Hindu gods are real?? Lots of people believe in them so they must exist right?? I tried their path, didn't work for me. I tried some others as well. My spiritual sojourn was my life's focus and purpose from 1972 until I met Christ 16 March 1981. I believed that anything as important as the eternal habitation of my soul was worth total undivided attention. Obviously, it does not seem to be that big a deal for you and others. So be it.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites normiss 892 #67 June 1, 2012 Seems like one should practice ALL religions. Better odds. "Two men say they're jesus, one of them must be wrong" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites beowulf 1 #68 June 1, 2012 How do you know you met Christ? How do you know you have an eternal soul? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites beowulf 1 #69 June 1, 2012 Quote Seems like one should practice ALL religions. Better odds. "Two men say they're jesus, one of them must be wrong" That would be a lot of work!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RonD1120 62 #70 June 1, 2012 I've lost interest in such adolescence.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites beowulf 1 #71 June 1, 2012 Is that because you can't answer the questions? How do you know what you claim to know if there is no evidence to support it? How do you know you actually met Christ? How do you know there is a soul? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites deltron80 0 #72 June 1, 2012 Ron believes in God because he personally met him. That sounds like a good reason to me. Most other people's reason is simply that their parents raised them in the church. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites beowulf 1 #73 June 1, 2012 How does he know he actually met Christ? What proof did Christ provide? Why doesn't Christ present himself to everyone and do some of the things he did in the Bible to prove who he is? I want to see him actually turn water into wine in a controlled environment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites deltron80 0 #74 June 1, 2012 QuoteIs that because you can't answer the questions? No real Christian can answer these questions... It's too difficult for them to overcome the reality that they have no reason to believe what they've based their entire life upon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,594 #75 June 1, 2012 QuoteCome on, personal insight is evidence. Skydiver: Last Sunday I experienced an orgasmic skydive. Observer: What evidence do you have to support your claim? Skydiver: I felt the joy. I learned something about skydiving and my canopy performance. Observer: That is not evidence. It can't be objectively verified. Skydiver: OK, buzz off. Why would anyone question the claimed emotion? That's just stupid. No one is disputing your belief makes you happy if you say it makes you happy. What religious people do (to hijack the metaphor) is use the experience of the orgasmic skydive to claim the existence of a skydiving orgasm fairy.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Next Page 3 of 57 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. 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beowulf 1 #55 June 1, 2012 Quote Quote Before any rational thinking person can accept "the premise of an omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent God", evidence must be provided that any such being exists that can be independently tested and verified.. Are we still off on that stupidity? I'll counter, once again, with this: Before any rational thinking person can ask for proof of the metaphysical, one must realize that they are asking for the impossible which is totally irrational. Then there is no reason to believe the metaphysical exists at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,594 #56 June 1, 2012 QuoteSeems to me that the atheists are more guilty of that than the religious. Yeah, but that's because you're hilariously biased. QuoteSimple. I don't know that any religion that would tie you down with a gun to your head making you listen to their viewpoints. I can think of a whole group of religious people who would do that. You might have heard of them, they've kinda been in the news a little this last decade.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #57 June 1, 2012 I question his whole premise of atheists being guilty of imposing their beliefs on others. Evolution is not a belief. It's fact. There is evidence that can and has been tested that supports Evolution. Anyone who wishes to educate themselves on Evolution can do so and test out the claims that were made and see the evidence that supports those claims. It would take time to learn biology, paleontology, chemistry, geology but it can be done. They all support Evolution. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #58 June 1, 2012 Quote Personal evidence is meaningless with out actual evidence. Why believe something with out evidence? How do you know if what you believe is true if you have no evidence to support it? How do you know if your personal evidence is not just delusional? It can't be tested. Come on, personal insight is evidence. Skydiver: Last Sunday I experienced an orgasmic skydive. Observer: What evidence do you have to support your claim? Skydiver: I felt the joy. I learned something about skydiving and my canopy performance. Observer: That is not evidence. It can't be objectively verified. Skydiver: OK, buzz off.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deltron80 0 #59 June 1, 2012 Ron, Why do you believe and have faith that God exists? Why do you believe and have faith that the Bible is the inspired word of God? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #60 June 1, 2012 No personal insight is not evidence. Your example is of feelings. Feelings can be observed in a controlled setting using the right equipment so it's not the same thing as claiming the existence of a super natural being which can not be observed in a controlled setting. In your example the observer can go skydive and experience it and see what he feels. But since feelings are subjective he may have different feelings from the skydiver. Your logic is not very good. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #61 June 1, 2012 QuoteRon, Why do you believe and have faith that God exists? Why do you believe and have faith that the Bible is the inspired word of God? He changed my life, my personality. The Bible enhances my faith and belief thus improving the quality of my life.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #62 June 1, 2012 QuoteNo personal insight is not evidence. Your example is of feelings. Feelings can be observed in a controlled setting using the right equipment so it's not the same thing as claiming the existence of a super natural being which can not be observed in a controlled setting. In your example the observer can go skydive and experience it and see what he feels. But since feelings are subjective he may have different feelings from the skydiver. Your logic is not very good. And, the non-believer can humble himself before the Cross of Christ and repent. Then he too can see what it feels like. That will never happen as long as the non-believer maintains his ego-centrism and worships his own mind.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #63 June 1, 2012 Millions of people can believe the Christian God is real. But that doesn't make it so. Just like the Hindu gods are no more real despite the millions of people that believe Hinduism. Do you think the Hindu gods are real?? Lots of people believe in them so they must exist right?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #64 June 1, 2012 QuoteQuoteRon, Why do you believe and have faith that God exists? Why do you believe and have faith that the Bible is the inspired word of God? He changed my life, my personality. The Bible enhances my faith and belief thus improving the quality of my life. How do you know God changed your life and your personality? How do you know your faith and belief improves your quality of life? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #65 June 1, 2012 QuoteQuoteNo personal insight is not evidence. Your example is of feelings. Feelings can be observed in a controlled setting using the right equipment so it's not the same thing as claiming the existence of a super natural being which can not be observed in a controlled setting. In your example the observer can go skydive and experience it and see what he feels. But since feelings are subjective he may have different feelings from the skydiver. Your logic is not very good. And, the non-believer can humble himself before the Cross of Christ and repent. Then he too can see what it feels like. That will never happen as long as the non-believer maintains his ego-centrism and worships his own mind. So now it's back to you just have to believe before you can believe. So you have no evidence of any of your claims. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #66 June 1, 2012 QuoteMillions of people can believe the Christian God is real. But that doesn't make it so. Just like the Hindu gods are no more real despite the millions of people that believe Hinduism. Do you think the Hindu gods are real?? Lots of people believe in them so they must exist right?? I tried their path, didn't work for me. I tried some others as well. My spiritual sojourn was my life's focus and purpose from 1972 until I met Christ 16 March 1981. I believed that anything as important as the eternal habitation of my soul was worth total undivided attention. Obviously, it does not seem to be that big a deal for you and others. So be it.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 892 #67 June 1, 2012 Seems like one should practice ALL religions. Better odds. "Two men say they're jesus, one of them must be wrong" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #68 June 1, 2012 How do you know you met Christ? How do you know you have an eternal soul? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #69 June 1, 2012 Quote Seems like one should practice ALL religions. Better odds. "Two men say they're jesus, one of them must be wrong" That would be a lot of work!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #70 June 1, 2012 I've lost interest in such adolescence.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #71 June 1, 2012 Is that because you can't answer the questions? How do you know what you claim to know if there is no evidence to support it? How do you know you actually met Christ? How do you know there is a soul? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deltron80 0 #72 June 1, 2012 Ron believes in God because he personally met him. That sounds like a good reason to me. Most other people's reason is simply that their parents raised them in the church. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #73 June 1, 2012 How does he know he actually met Christ? What proof did Christ provide? Why doesn't Christ present himself to everyone and do some of the things he did in the Bible to prove who he is? I want to see him actually turn water into wine in a controlled environment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deltron80 0 #74 June 1, 2012 QuoteIs that because you can't answer the questions? No real Christian can answer these questions... It's too difficult for them to overcome the reality that they have no reason to believe what they've based their entire life upon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,594 #75 June 1, 2012 QuoteCome on, personal insight is evidence. Skydiver: Last Sunday I experienced an orgasmic skydive. Observer: What evidence do you have to support your claim? Skydiver: I felt the joy. I learned something about skydiving and my canopy performance. Observer: That is not evidence. It can't be objectively verified. Skydiver: OK, buzz off. Why would anyone question the claimed emotion? That's just stupid. No one is disputing your belief makes you happy if you say it makes you happy. What religious people do (to hijack the metaphor) is use the experience of the orgasmic skydive to claim the existence of a skydiving orgasm fairy.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
