Why NOT death penalty?

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To throw them in a hole would be CRUEL and not aloud by the SCOTUS.... This thread was about the use of the death penalty for a low life piece of shit and his friends..

Two guys in the CT case raped a 11 and 17 yr old girls then poured gas on the live ,nude bodies of the two and set their beds alight... They had also raped the 48 yr old mother...

Now ... I want you to think about a little 11 yr old girl being beat, raped and then burned alive... And if you think that piece of shit has any right to one more breath... YOUR THE PROBLEM with this world...

Killler....

I used to share your views and believe me if someone comes in to my house they are not going to make it out alive. I now just have a problem executing someone. It is not the "cruel" thing with me. I just do not think we should execute people. I do understand your opinion though and I would never say anything other than you view is a valid stance.

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To throw them in a hole would be CRUEL and not aloud by the SCOTUS.... This thread was about the use of the death penalty for a low life piece of shit and his friends..

Two guys in the CT case raped a 11 and 17 yr old girls then poured gas on the live ,nude bodies of the two and set their beds alight... They had also raped the 48 yr old mother...

Now ... I want you to think about a little 11 yr old girl being beat, raped and then burned alive... And if you think that piece of shit has any right to one more breath... YOUR THE PROBLEM with this world...

Killler....

that kind of post doesn't help the cause for support of reasoned capital punishment - this is exactly why people claim that CP is revenge, rather than a reasoned action with the intent to protect the weak from the predators

the decision to execute a criminal needs to be unemotional, thought out completely, reluctant - for the sole purpose of permanently removing a known threat to all law abiding citizens, without even the remote possibility of repeat offenses that any kind on incarceration may allow (as noted in the thread - life without parole can be legislated by each state... so can reversing a law allowing life without parole)

I agree with you on this one... may be a first. lol If you would have asked me a month ago though I would not have agreed.

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[normiss 883]

About the only time I understand the taking of another life is in defense of your own.

Bin Laden didn't even get a trial - but sticking him in a hole forever would have worked just as well.

Simply waltzing around the planet and removing certain people that the government has declared as "needing to be dead" scares me more than the killing of our own citizens. As it should us all I think.

I simply cannot accept that trying to teach someone to not kill by killing could not possibly make any less sense.
I don't want to be lowered to their level.
It really worries me the passion (or hatred if you will) that people have towards another person. From all sides of the story for that matter.
How is it ever right to have such a hatred anger in wanting another human dead.

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that kind of post doesn't help the cause for support of reasoned capital punishment - this is exactly why people claim that CP is revenge, rather than a reasoned action with the intent to protect the weak from the predators

"Life without parole" can be just as vengeful (or even more so) than the death penalty. "Throw him in a hole," sounds vengeful to me.

The decision for either one needs to be a rational, unemotional decision. Any conviction/punishment needs to be.

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that kind of post doesn't help the cause for support of reasoned capital punishment - this is exactly why people claim that CP is revenge, rather than a reasoned action with the intent to protect the weak from the predators

"Life without parole" can be just as vengeful (or even more so) than the death penalty. "Throw him in a hole," sounds vengeful to me.

The decision for either one needs to be a rational, unemotional decision. Any conviction/punishment needs to be.

I rationally believe that it would be just to put them in a cell and feed them with maybe an hour of exercise a day..... alone. I agree that could have a revenge attitude but I also feel that I can honestly say that is just rationally.

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What should we do with people that continue to kill while imprisoned?

Throw them in the hole for the rest of their life. Solitary confinement. They can sleep on the concrete floor. There's no other place in society for those fucks.

Billy, I think you're cruel.

I say these people should be given all the benefits of a first-class resort for the rest of their lives.

Even at $2,361 a day, the total for two weeks of such extravagence is quite affordable.


BSBD,

Winsor

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I simply cannot accept that trying to teach someone to not kill by killing could not possibly make any less sense.

I guess I don't see it as a means to teach someone to not kill. I see it (in theory) as a practical means to remove someone who has proven himself as a huge danger to society. And, as I mentioned before, I think it should be reserved for only absolutely provable and absolutely heinous crimes.

I am one of the least hateful and least vengeful persons ever. Sometimes I am disturbed by how much empathy I have for criminals. So I think you're wrong in thinking that anyone who supports the death penalty is full of hate and anger. (Of course, as I also stated earlier, I would personally find life without parole a harsher punishment than death, though obviously that is a matter of opinion.)

That being said, I believe it will be on the ballot in CA this November to abolish CA's death penalty. And I will likely vote yes - to change all death penalty sentences to life without parole. Because, while I support it in theory, there seems to be no efficient way to carry it out, so having the death penalty here does nothing but cost taxpayers a ridiculous amount of money.

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that kind of post doesn't help the cause for support of reasoned capital punishment - this is exactly why people claim that CP is revenge, rather than a reasoned action with the intent to protect the weak from the predators

"Life without parole" can be just as vengeful (or even more so) than the death penalty. "Throw him in a hole," sounds vengeful to me.

The decision for either one needs to be a rational, unemotional decision. Any conviction/punishment needs to be.

absolutely - i don't want them to suffer, I just want to clinically remove the threat so no other innocent in destroyed by a known predator

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I just want to clinically remove the threat so no other innocent is destroyed by a known predator

That's pretty much what I want. It's the conditions of prison life for them that we all would have differences on.

If you kill maliciously and get sent to prison, then kill while IN prison, then what? Do you want that fuck to have more opportunities to do it again? I'd want that fuck separated somehow from the rest of the prison population. The super-max in Colorado does a good job of that for the worst of the worst criminals.

Now if a child rapist goes to prison, rest assured, the sick fuck is likely going to be at the bottom of the totem pole as far as respect from other inmates, and their lives could be a living hell, generally speaking. How bad depends on the inmate's level of interaction with fellow inmates. Who you kill can also affect how you get treated in prison.

Look at Jeffery Dahmer. He wasn't in prison for long before he was killed. Ditto for the catholic priest from the Boston area who was imprisoned for child molestation or whatever it was. Sometimes it happens.

I will not weep for them.

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

[normiss 883]

Those murders don't happen like they used to.
Prisoners receive a lot more protection and separation than they used to.
Not sure this is always a good thing.
My conscience is clear when they kill each other.

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Those murders don't happen like they used to.
Prisoners receive a lot more protection and separation than they used to.
Not sure this is always a good thing.
My conscience is clear when they kill each other.

Well, yeah. Same here on the last statement.

I was speaking from the standpoint that fights happen in the yard when the inmates are outside and somebody has a shiv and uses it. Prison staffs have also improved their ability to sense tensions and do shakedowns before things come to a head, finding hidden weapons in the process.

Fuck it, let's just let them have at it in prison death matches.

Edited to add: The problem is that sometimes innocent people get sent to prison, and when one of them gets killed in prison, that's a tragedy.

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Oh I clearly saw how violent an animal he was.
Texas. Overcrowding in the prison system....
Overcrowding should NEVER cause a violent criminal to earn gain time IMO.

But if killing is SOOOO wrong that it makes you want to kill someone ......

Sigh...please read. I have made clear my position that killing is wrong, but sometimes (regretfully) the last option we have as a society. It should never be approached flippantly, and should come with some introspection to where society might help prevent things that develop into these aberant individuals.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[billvon 3,095]

>No offense, but you sometimes miss the glaring holes in your arguments.
>Dead people almost never escape.

Agreed. And that's true of people who die naturally in prison AND people who are executed. Since the average prisoner spends 15-20 years on death row - and since average prison age is around 40 now, and average lifespan in prison is 64 - there's not a whole lot of difference between the two.

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I just want to clinically remove the threat so no other innocent is destroyed by a known predator

That's pretty much what I want. It's the conditions of prison life for them that we all would have differences on.

If you kill maliciously and get sent to prison, then kill while IN prison, then what? Do you want that fuck to have more opportunities to do it again? I'd want that fuck separated somehow from the rest of the prison population. The super-max in Colorado does a good job of that for the worst of the worst criminals.

Now if a child rapist goes to prison, rest assured, the sick fuck is likely going to be at the bottom of the totem pole as far as respect from other inmates, and their lives could be a living hell, generally speaking. How bad depends on the inmate's level of interaction with fellow inmates. Who you kill can also affect how you get treated in prison.

Look at Jeffery Dahmer. He wasn't in prison for long before he was killed. Ditto for the catholic priest from the Boston area who was imprisoned for child molestation or whatever it was. Sometimes it happens.

I will not weep for them.

Interesting take on the death penalty. If I read you correctly, you don't think that society should execute them ? You just want to put them in with GP where they will execute them for us. ? Sounds like the same thing with a different label.

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Exactly the whole point. We're not trying to teach someone not to kill here, the time for that has passed. We're removing a threat to society who has already proved that he is willing and able to take advantage of others.

If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead.
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I just want to clinically remove the threat so no other innocent is destroyed by a known predator

That's pretty much what I want. It's the conditions of prison life for them that we all would have differences on.

If you kill maliciously and get sent to prison, then kill while IN prison, then what? Do you want that fuck to have more opportunities to do it again? I'd want that fuck separated somehow from the rest of the prison population. The super-max in Colorado does a good job of that for the worst of the worst criminals.

Now if a child rapist goes to prison, rest assured, the sick fuck is likely going to be at the bottom of the totem pole as far as respect from other inmates, and their lives could be a living hell, generally speaking. How bad depends on the inmate's level of interaction with fellow inmates. Who you kill can also affect how you get treated in prison.

Look at Jeffery Dahmer. He wasn't in prison for long before he was killed. Ditto for the catholic priest from the Boston area who was imprisoned for child molestation or whatever it was. Sometimes it happens.

I will not weep for them.

Interesting take on the death penalty. If I read you correctly, you don't think that society should execute them ? You just want to put them in with GP where they will execute them for us. ? Sounds like the same thing with a different label.

That's the hitting the nail on the head.... DING.. DING.. DING... We have the winner.... They(anti death penalty) don't want blood on their hands, They want to put themselves on this high ground of enlightenment ....

But,,, They want the guy raped and killed in some shit-hole prison were they get to keep there hands clean...

Killler...

[popsjumper 2]

NO to the Death Penalty.

There are other means to segregate criminals from society.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
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[killler 2]

here you go....

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/look-inside-world-nicest-prison-180524054.html

killler...

[normiss 883]

Not exactly. In my opinion anyway.

I'll never understand what it is that some people think killing is SOOOO bad, that they need to kill because of killing.

Someone's going to have to try to explain the logic in that.
Because there is none.

[killler 2]

Nothing wrong with killing... There is something wrong when you fail to live with in the "frame work of laws that we have"... Most people that kill will not kill again... Many people serve their time and get back in the game... Some people just like robbing other peoples stuff instead of work... Jail works sometimes and Sometimes it don't...

This thread is about "EVIL... SICK... SUB-HUMANS.. that have done such a barbaric deed that the only fitting thing to do is take their life ... You can do it with as little cruelty as possible... But, It's over for them.. We don't need to waste 10 to 15 yrs with legal games... The jury passes down the death penalty, A judge over sees the trail... One more review by a appalet court .... and then it's over... It only takes 10+ yrs because of right to lifers want it to..

And just my thought on it... A 6" boot knife at the base of the skull cutting the spinal cord and ending life is a very painless fast way to go...

I'm done here.... DOOR....
killler...

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I'll never understand what it is that some people think killing is SOOOO bad, that they need to kill because of killing.

Apparently, a lot of people think that killing is "SOOOO bad," that they are against the death penalty even for people who have committed atrocious crimes.

And I don't think it's about a "need to kill because of killing." I don't think that most people who kill (George Zimmerman, for example) should be subject to the death penalty.

[Southern_Man 0]

I am against the death penalty because I do not see a way to rid that system of error and do not want to see innocent people put to death. It has nothing to do with my feelings towards people who have committed atrocious crimes.

"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"

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I am against the death penalty because I do not see a way to rid that system of error and do not want to see innocent people put to death.

That's a pretty logical reason to be against it. Along with the seemingly unavoidable expense involved.

Of course, I don't want to see an innocent person spending the rest of his life (or a huge part of it) in prison either. So I think whether we abolish the death penalty or not, we need to try to make the system as error-free as possible, or at least err on the side of innocence. I would much rather see a guilty person walk free than see an innocent person convicted.

[billvon 3,095]

>It only takes 10+ yrs because of right to lifers want it to..

It only takes 10+ years because we have to be sure before we execute someone. Over 140 people have been cleared of wrongdoing after being sentenced to death, some after decades, and some only after new technology (like DNA analysis) came along. I am certain that it were a friend of yours, you'd be glad that they were able to prove their innocence before they were executed.

So if you want to kill them outright you have to make the justice system a lot better than it is now.

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I am against the death penalty because I do not see a way to rid that system of error and do not want to see innocent people put to death.

That's a pretty logical reason to be against it. Along with the seemingly unavoidable expense involved.

Of course, I don't want to see an innocent person spending the rest of his life (or a huge part of it) in prison either. So I think whether we abolish the death penalty or not, we need to try to make the system as error-free as possible, or at least err on the side of innocence. I would much rather see a guilty person walk free than see an innocent person convicted.

Agreed, although as long as somebody is still alive there is the potential for a wrongful conviction to be overturned. The death penalty eliminates that possibility.

"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"