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It's funny how the extreme conservatives of the east and west have so much in common yet hate each other so much [:/]



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So much so that conservatives here agree with laws voted on that require judges to use US law

Sameful huh......
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Funny how the article bangs on about how terrible it is in Arab countries yet fails to mention the Central African countries which according to the map in the article are far worse places to live for a woman.
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Coming to Europe, very soon. The greatest irony is that they have the western feminists full support. Its as if they're digging their own grave.



Right, so because some bald weird with a beard from a extremist group with a dozen or so members says whatever comes in to his pea brain in front of a sensationalistic news reporter it must be true:S:S
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They have a website, too, so it must be true.

Wendy P.
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I find the things in this article very disturbing. I can't help but recall, however, that my time in Iraq didn't reveal any of this. The women there were held in high esteem. The new constitution mandates that at least 25% of the parliament be female and the elections yielded higher than that.

I have no doubt that there were quietly many old attitudes toward women there, but I found the men very respectful of the women when I was around. Meanwhile, they were quite openly racist in private.
I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

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I find the things in this article very disturbing. I can't help but recall, however, that my time in Iraq didn't reveal any of this. The women there were held in high esteem. The new constitution mandates that at least 25% of the parliament be female and the elections yielded higher than that.

I have no doubt that there were quietly many old attitudes toward women there, but I found the men very respectful of the women when I was around. Meanwhile, they were quite openly racist in private.



I would guess these are the radical elements but , yes, it is very disturbing
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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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I find the things in this article very disturbing. I can't help but recall, however, that my time in Iraq didn't reveal any of this. The women there were held in high esteem. The new constitution mandates that at least 25% of the parliament be female and the elections yielded higher than that.

I have no doubt that there were quietly many old attitudes toward women there, but I found the men very respectful of the women when I was around. Meanwhile, they were quite openly racist in private.



Iraq still has the legacy of Saddam's Baathist secularism, which is a good thing for everyone, not just the women. Assholes like Muqtada Al-Sadr would like to turn Iraq into another Iran. Nobody really likes that idea very much up there.

As for the overall treatment of women in the ME, I think it depends on where you go. Some places here in the ME are quite secular (like Jordan), others are oppressive (Saudi, Kuwait; e.g., "protecting" women by restricting them to being outside the home [Kuwait not so much] only in the company of a male relative makes sense in places like Egypt [see below]), others are somewhere in between (Qatar), and then you've got places like Egypt, which seems to be just downright full of perverted weirdos (a friend's daughter was molested by a masseuse in frickin' Sharm El-Sheikh, fer cryin' out loud). Stoning women to death for being raped is beyond stupid - it's inhuman.

Part of it has to do with inbreeding over here, too IMO. I'm no anthropologist, but arranged marriages to cousins are quite common. At the very least, one is expected to marry within one's own tribe. That's causing a lot of homogeneity in the populations, as well as introducing cumulative genetic defects. The Arab states will eventually become genetically bankrupt. Qatar, for example, has a population of just 200,000. It's a good guess that there is a lot of (albeit inadvertent) inbreeding going on.

IMO, this closed loop propagates the endless cycle. Locked into an oppressive system that allows neither males nor females to choose their own mates, they are headed for destruction. Unfortunately, it's the women in these societies who suffer the most from the backward, inbred culture that makes up at least some, if not most, of the Arab states.

And I'll be a racist here and comment on Skyrad's remark. Yes, it's undoubtedly far worse to be a woman in sub-Saharan Africa, but then we don't seem to expect much of a region that has more "failed states" than any other place on the planet.

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So much so that conservatives here agree with laws voted on that require judges to use US law

Sameful huh......




Can you please cite where Sharia law has ever been used in a criminal court of the United States?

http://www.aclu.org/blog/religion-belief/debunking-mythical-sharia-threat-our-judicial-system



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but it has been used it against women in divorce procedings in the US
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it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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So much so that conservatives here agree with laws voted on that require judges to use US law

Sameful huh......




Can you please cite where Sharia law has ever been used in a criminal court of the United States?

http://www.aclu.org/blog/religion-belief/debunking-mythical-sharia-threat-our-judicial-system



Cant

but it hased used it against women in divorce procedings in the US



So the chances of a person, who has not previously agreed to have thier dispute settled using Sharia law, being used as a basis of arbitration outside of a civil court is zero.

So any laws that were passed to prevent sharia law being used in a criminal courts is just as silly as when Berkley Ca. voted to make their city "A nuclear weapon free city". Punishable by a $250 fine and or 30 days in jail.

Go a head and play the fear game, it seems to work well for you guys.

Just thinking out loud, A sharia court tv show, based on the "Judge Judy" style of tv justice could be very entertaning, and yet at the same time very educational. I'm gonna make some calls.

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So much so that conservatives here agree with laws voted on that require judges to use US law

Sameful huh......




Can you please cite where Sharia law has ever been used in a criminal court of the United States?

http://www.aclu.org/blog/religion-belief/debunking-mythical-sharia-threat-our-judicial-system


Cant

but it hased used it against women in divorce procedings in the US


So the chances of a person, who has not previously agreed to have thier dispute settled using Sharia law, being used as a basis of arbitration outside of a civil court is zero.

So any laws that were passed to prevent sharia law being used in a criminal courts is just as silly as when Berkley Ca. voted to make their city "A nuclear weapon free city". Punishable by a $250 fine and or 30 days in jail.

Go a head and play the fear game, it seems to work well for you guys.

Just thinking out loud, A sharia court tv show, based on the "Judge Judy" style of tv justice could be very entertaning, and yet at the same time very educational. I'm gonna make some calls.

Fear game?:D

Head in the sand is closer to the truth
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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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I guess you think that a divorce court chould use sharia law in the us proceeding

You really support wormen huh........
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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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I guess you think that a divorce court chould use sharia law in the us proceeding

You really support wormen huh........



I think it's legal as so far as adults can choose different types of arbitration that all parties agree to.

If you already know my feelings on religion, why would you even ask?

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I guess you think that a divorce court chould use sharia law in the us proceeding

You really support wormen huh........



I think it's legal as so far as adults can choose different types of arbitration that all parties agree to.

If you already know my feelings on religion, why would you even ask?



All I can do is go on what you post here

Your posts indicate you are ok with women being submitted to the sharia

I think more of them than that
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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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So much so that conservatives here agree with laws voted on that require judges to use US law

Sameful huh......




Can you please cite where Sharia law has ever been used in a criminal court of the United States?

http://www.aclu.org/blog/religion-belief/debunking-mythical-sharia-threat-our-judicial-system


Cant

but it hased used it against women in divorce procedings in the US

Holy crab, rushmc >:(

Not only your post is BS, reading your above post clearly is a danger for the eyes .... [:/]

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So much so that conservatives here agree with laws voted on that require judges to use US law

Sameful huh......




Can you please cite where Sharia law has ever been used in a criminal court of the United States?

http://www.aclu.org/blog/religion-belief/debunking-mythical-sharia-threat-our-judicial-system


Cant

but it hased used it against women in divorce procedings in the US


Holy crab, rushmc >:(

Not only your post is BS, reading your above post clearly is a danger for the eyes .... [:/]

Well if it aint my favorite stalker:)
Oh

and what makes a crab holy?:o


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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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I guess you think that a divorce court chould use sharia law in the us proceeding

Considering that Orthodox Jewish women are subject to the considerably more stringent Jewish laws on divorce, I'd say that sharia is a step up.

You OK with Jewish law being used in divorce?

Wendy P.
There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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I guess you think that a divorce court chould use sharia law in the us proceeding

Considering that Orthodox Jewish women are subject to the considerably more stringent Jewish laws on divorce, I'd say that sharia is a step up.

You OK with Jewish law being used in divorce?

Wendy P.



Not really

I gotta say if both parties agree then there is nothing to say

But if one objects, US law should be used IMO
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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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In the civil divorce, US law is used. But if you're religious, you also use religious law. Catholic women can get divorced by law, but are supposed to get an anullment or a dispensation from the Pope to remarry within the church.

Dang -- and they're Christians!!!:o

Wendy P.

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In the civil divorce, US law is used. But if you're religious, you also use religious law. Catholic women can get divorced by law, but are supposed to get an anullment or a dispensation from the Pope to remarry within the church.

Dang -- and they're Christians!!!:o

Wendy P.



When a gender is looked at as less than equal under a law, I have a problem with that

Sharia is a law that is used to govern and it treats women badly
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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