Seatbelt use and enforcement

[Coreece 190]

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[dks13827 3]

National Safety Council data show the one-year odds of dying in an automotive accident as an occupant of an on-road motorized vehicle are about 1 in 12,300.

This translates to lifetime odds of about 1 in 158.
1 in 158 !!!! Think of the people from your high school who are, in fact, dead from car crashes. It is real.

I think not wearing a seatbelt all the time is nuts, look at the above. Look at Nascar crashes where they walk away okay. Think about the pain of crushing your chest in a crash from hitting the dash or steering wheel.

To answer the question, I am in favor of seatbelt laws because the danger is very very real and the benefit of seatbelts is clear. I am against helmet laws, though I always wear one.

And yes, I hate laws laws and more laws.

[Coreece 190]

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To answer the question, I am in favor of seatbelt laws because the danger is very very real and the benefit of seatbelts is clear. I am against helmet laws, though I always wear one.

I don't get that...AT ALL. That's like completely butt-fucked thinking to me.

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[skypuppy 1]

Actually here in Ontario it dropped to .05 a couple of years ago. At first, that was just a 'warn', but now it seems to be the point where they trigger higher insurance, loss of vehicle for a few days, and everything that used to occur at .08.

If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead.
Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

[skypuppy 1]

I voted no. Then again, like many I pretty much always wear mine now. But to mandate it is an infringement of my right to choose.

I feel the same about aads - they should not be mandatory, although I believe everyone (experienced, qualified, which to me means off student status) should decide on their own if they want one.

If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead.
Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

[Coreece 190]

Ya, and what's the average BAC for fatal DUI crashes...like .14 - .19?

I bet it'll lower here too with socialized health care...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkhX5W7JoWI

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[jclalor 12]

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Everyone _should_ wear a seatbelt. But it should be up to people to use it or not. (And car companies, who build ever more annoying gadgets to remind you to use them.) "Click it or die" is a fine idea.

The "click it or die outright" is the cheap and easy part if your not buckled in. The "click it or suffering a TBI" and spending the rest of your life on the tax-payers payers dime is the problem. My facility received 2 unrestrained TBI's last month, they are going to be on venilators and tube fed for the rest of their miserable lives, 10 years on average. At $35,00 a month and no insurance, the good folks of California are on the hook.


With traffic deaths at the lowest level in 50 years I don't see this law ever changing.

Driving a car is not a right, it's a privilege.

[Gravitymaster 0]

Or just require automobile insurance. Don't most States require it?

[Coreece 190]

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Driving a car is not a right, it's a privilege.

That needs to change too...need to be a RIGHT, especially in this highly competitive capitalistic society that has become.

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[jclalor 12]

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Or just require automobile insurance. Don't most States require it?

In California it's just a 30k liability minimum.

[Gravitymaster 0]

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Or just require automobile insurance. Don't most States require it?

In California it's just a 30k liability minimum.

Just raise it to $1m and good to go.

[Meso 38]

Totally think that it's okay to enforce the use, for a few simple reasons.

1. Someone else is going to have to scrape your brains and dismembered body parts from off the street. A job I'm sure most do not enjoy. Any way to reduce this number makes sense.

2. Children. What about children in this question. When you say that one should choose whether or not to wear one, does this include children in the car? Because as with age of consent laws, the government feels they need to protect children from being put in harms way by bad parenting and to form a safety net for them. So while a parent may say it's fine for their kids not to wear them, would it be okay to let that parenting fly. Kids pretty much need to be forced and yelled at in most situations to wear an 'irritating' seat belt.

I am usually on the side of letting people do what they want as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else. But in a car accident, I think the sacrifice of comfort by putting the seat belt on may in many cases be the difference between a child seeing daddy with a broken nose and mommy with a sore head and seeing both their parents decapitated by their heads going through the windshield.

[Gravitymaster 0]

Right, how can anyone argue with "think about the children"?

[Meso 38]

Ask the republicans, it's been one of their primary debate points for ages.

Considering there are loads of laws currently set up to protect them, are you suggesting all those laws don't have merit and should be done away with, or are you just suggesting that for some reason this is different, in which case I'd like to hear why you think it is.

[hcsvader 1]

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I think not wearing a seatbelt all the time is nuts, look at the above. Look at Nascar crashes where they walk away okay. Think about the pain of crushing your chest in a crash from hitting the dash or steering wheel. 

It fucking hurts! Even with a seatbelt on i got to spend 2 months off work to go physio everyday after an accident a few years ago. Not fun.

I've been in 3 accidents where seatbelts have saved me from more serious injuries or death.
I don't understand how people could be so complacent as to not wear one.

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[Meso 38]

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I don't understand how people could be so complacent as to not wear one.

Because unfortunately sticking it to the man and showing the world one can do as their please and that they're no ones bitch, takes priority over common sense. Seriously, it's 2 fucking seconds of reaching over and pulling something.

[popsjumper 2]

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Click it or ticket is the appropriate phrase...you know as well as I that it's all about money.

Contrary to popular belief, that is incorrect. Ask a random police officer about the money. They really don't care about the money, they don't see a dime, they have no quota, no secret *wink* number, nothing. Quotas are illegal and will get a department investigated by the Justice Department.

Maybe you missed the point, Dave.

OK. Let's say the police don't care about the money when they don't get the benefits of it.

Somebody does. You guys are "only doing your job", yes. That job is being mandated by those who do care about the money....the nanny state law enacted in the guise of safety with the end result of "somebody" getting the cash (I'll leave it to you to put names on it). You wouldn't be giving out tickets if it weren't mandated.

"Not enough cash coming in boys so let's start a big push on tickets and call it 'Click It or Ticket'."

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[popsjumper 2]

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10 years on average. At $35,00 a month and no insurance, the good folks of California are on the hook..

Hey that's pretty cheap!
Most medical practitioners would charge $35,000 a month because they are greedy over-charging, let's-squeeze-every-nickel bastards.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[popsjumper 2]

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I've been in 3 accidents where seatbelts have saved me from more serious injuries or death..

Two words:
Slow...Down

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[popsjumper 2]

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I don't understand how people could be so complacent as to not wear one.

Because unfortunately sticking it to the man and showing the world one can do as their please and that they're no ones bitch, takes priority over common sense. .

You are not from this country, are you.
You are off track if that is what you think freedom means.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[jclalor 12]

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Ask the republicans, it's been one of their primary debate points for ages.

Considering there are loads of laws currently set up to protect them, are you suggesting all those laws don't have merit and should be done away with, or are you just suggesting that for some reason this is different, in which case I'd like to hear why you think it is.

For some, its not all that complicated; if it's a Government regulation then it's anti-American and anti-Christian. Every good conservative knows that a parent is the best person qualified to decide if their child should use a seat belt or if their infant should be strapped into a car seat.

[Meso 38]

Unless of course it's the regulation of homosexual marriage, you know... To save all those poor kids from having two fathers or two mothers.

Got to love the conservatives solely for entertainment value. KEEP GOVERNMENT OUT OF OUR LIVES! (Unless of course your life contradicts our personal values).

[winsor 236]

About 35 years ago I got into a car in Germany and the driver sat patiently until I fastened my seat belt.

When I asked if seat belts were required, she responded that, while legal, one was uninsured if driving with anyone in the front seat without a seat belt.

I kind of like that.

If we add a YOYO (You're On Your Own) clause regarding behavior of which we disapprove, it could greatly simplify the issue.

You want to motorcycle without a helmet or drive without seat belts? Fine, but you give up all rights to sue if you get hit, or to be covered for medical costs or have your vehicle fixed - or even to receive life insurance if you croak. When you do not try hard enough to stay alive, it falls under the suicide clause.

Passing laws to mandate behavior is the brute force and ignorance approach. Tweaking the rules so as to achieve the desired behavior patterns is much cheaper and more effective.


BSBD,

Winsor

[AggieDave 6]

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If we add a YOYO (You're On Your Own) clause regarding behavior of which we disapprove, it could greatly simplify the issue.

Those sorts of conditions work well for people who are reasonable and responsible. An example is that a number of years ago Texas made it to where your license was suspended if you received a Fail To Maintain Financial Responsibility (no insurance) citation. Then if you're caught driving on a suspended license the first instance is a Class C misdemeanor (ticket), the second instance is a Class B (jail). If you're in an accident with a suspended license and someone is injured, then it is a Class A (jail/the highest misdemeanor charge).

So what we have now is an increase of hit and run accidents because people have a suspended license and consequently, don't have insurance because they're not supposed to be driving in the first place.

The small percentage of the population that is responsible don't drive and take care of the steps they have to go through to get their licensed cleared. The majority of the population take great steps to try to keep from getting caught, but they still drive.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[hcsvader 1]

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I've been in 3 accidents where seatbelts have saved me from more serious injuries or death..

Two words:
Slow...Down

interesting idea... Except i wasn't the driver in 2 of the serious ones and the other was a simple single vehicle rollover in Canadian winter that i walked away from with nothing more than a bruised shoulder. I sure was glad to be hanging upsidedown by my seatbelt at the end of it.


I find it funny that people think its a money grab. In countries with public health care how much do you think it costs the healthcare system to fix someone who just exited a vehicle via the windshield?

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