killler 2 #2 May 21, 2012 The answer is NO..... But most environmentalist are very good at telling everyone else what to do... Just look at their patron saint " Al Gore" ...Killler... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #3 May 21, 2012 I voted NO but, since both groups all replete with phonies I suppose my vote should be YES.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #4 May 21, 2012 An environmentalist who fun jumps wouldn't be completely consistent. Of course, he or she would probably also eschew cars, any air travel, eating anything they didn't grow themselves using only a hoe and hand-drug plow, etc. One allocates one's priorities, balances them against what one wants from life, and tries to do the best. Just because one can't be perfect doesn't mean not trying at all. I jump; I also don't use pesticides, try to buy local whenever I can, ride my bicycle, recycle aggressively, keep my A/C usage low, drive a fuel-efficient car when I need to -- not perfect, but considering those priorities in my life. I'm not trying to say I'm an environmentalist, but just giving an example (trust me, I'm not an environmentalist, because I lack that gene that has me working in public groups for education). Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #5 May 21, 2012 QuoteAn environmentalist who fun jumps wouldn't be completely consistent. Of course, he or she would probably also eschew cars, any air travel, eating anything they didn't grow themselves using only a hoe and hand-drug plow, etc. One allocates one's priorities, balances them against what one wants from life, and tries to do the best. Just because one can't be perfect doesn't mean not trying at all. I jump; I also don't use pesticides, try to buy local whenever I can, ride my bicycle, recycle aggressively, keep my A/C usage low, drive a fuel-efficient car when I need to -- not perfect, but considering those priorities in my life. I'm not trying to say I'm an environmentalist, but just giving an example (trust me, I'm not an environmentalist, because I lack that gene that has me working in public groups for education). Wendy P. I do not litter. I separate my garbage from plastics, cans and paper. I drive a V-8 pickup truck and ride a motorcycle. I do not participate in aviation activities any longer. I do not believe any of these activities makes one iota of difference in the long term.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #6 May 21, 2012 Makes a difference in what? Whether the earth warms? Who knows. Whether the city has to go find (and pay for) more dump space? Recycling probably helps with that. Gas prices and/or oil depletion? Motorcycling probably helps with that. "Environmentalism" is a weird term; kind of like feminism. It's been politicized, but it's a giant term that means a whole lot. Nearly everyone (especially women) wants women to be paid the same as men for hte same job, but few are "feminists." Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #7 May 21, 2012 Can someone who cares about animals eat meat? Can a feminist work for a man? Can a republican support a tax on cigarettes, or the rights of gays to marry? Can a substance abuse counselor drink beer? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #8 May 21, 2012 QuoteCan someone who cares about animals eat meat? Can a feminist work for a man? Can a republican support a tax on cigarettes, or the rights of gays to marry? Can a substance abuse counselor drink beer? It's amazing, bill, but there can be some real nasty arguments about all of the above. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #9 May 21, 2012 >It's amazing, bill, but there can be some real nasty arguments about >all of the above. Yeah, I've heard most of them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeJD 0 #10 May 21, 2012 Quote I do not litter. I separate my garbage from plastics, cans and paper. I drive a V-8 pickup truck and ride a motorcycle. I do not participate in aviation activities any longer. I do not believe any of these activities makes one iota of difference in the long term. Clearly one person changing their habits won't make any appreciable difference to the fate of the world. You could almost argue that they're wasting their time if they're not out there actively campaigning for millions of others to follow suit. I adopt a lot of what would be considered 'green' behaviour, not because I think I'm making a difference, but just because it seems to me that unnecessary waste is a 'bad thing'. It's expensive, ugly and, I dunno, crass. On the other hand, if we can't have a little fun in life then you have to wonder what it is we're saving the planet for. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #11 May 21, 2012 Can a feminist like boobies? Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #12 May 21, 2012 QuoteCan a feminist like boobies? Only if they're not confined by a bra. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #13 May 21, 2012 Quote Can a substance abuse counselor drink beer? Yes, but you better not ever, not ever let a client, colleague or supervisor catch you. Especially, do not let them catch you intoxicated.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #14 May 21, 2012 Quote On the other hand, if we can't have a little fun in life then you have to wonder what it is we're saving the planet for. I don't believe we can save the planet.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #15 May 21, 2012 QuoteQuote Can a substance abuse counselor drink beer? Yes, but you better not ever, not ever let a client, colleague or supervisor catch you. Especially, do not let them catch you intoxicated. If he can drink beer without abusing it (or any other substances), then he can be a substance abuse counselor, assuming he has the proper training. But if he's going to be dishonest with his clients, colleagues, and supervisors, then I certainly wouldn't want to be counseled by him for anything. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #16 May 21, 2012 QuoteQuoteOn the other hand, if we can't have a little fun in life then you have to wonder what it is we're saving the planet for. I don't believe we can save the planet. Which is a fundamental problem with "end of the world" religions. For instance, any concerned with John's writings while he took some hallucinogens. People in them say, "Fuck it. It doesn't matter. Might as well rape the planet now while we can."quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #17 May 21, 2012 Quote Which is a fundamental problem with "end of the world" religions. No, the fundamental problem is that we can't destroy the planet. Therefore, we can't save it.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #18 May 21, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuote Can a substance abuse counselor drink beer? Yes, but you better not ever, not ever let a client, colleague or supervisor catch you. Especially, do not let them catch you intoxicated. If he can drink beer without abusing it (or any other substances), then he can be a substance abuse counselor, assuming he has the proper training. But if he's going to be dishonest with his clients, colleagues, and supervisors, then I certainly wouldn't want to be counseled by him for anything. Within the profession, such activities fall into the category of power and control issues with heavy political overtones.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #19 May 21, 2012 Guess that depends on your definition of "destroy". I, for one, think a total nuclear war would destroy the planet, for all intents and purposes. Would there still be a ball of mostly iron revolving around the sun at about 93 million miles out? Yes. In that sense, we'd have failed to destroy the planet. But it certainly would be destroyed regarding the capability to support most life forms as we know them. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
janz 0 #20 May 21, 2012 QuoteCan a feminist like boobies?Wendy P.Absolutely. A heterosexual man for womens rights would be a feminist. Some would argue a man can't be a feminist, but I don't believe that to be true. And there is the obvious lesbian woman who is a feminist. But I didn't think you wanted a serious answer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #21 May 21, 2012 QuoteGuess that depends on your definition of "destroy". I, for one, think a total nuclear war would destroy the planet, for all intents and purposes. Would there still be a ball of mostly iron revolving around the sun at about 93 million miles out? Yes. In that sense, we'd have failed to destroy the planet. But it certainly would be destroyed regarding the capability to support most life forms as we know them. The cold war has ended. That was the only chance we had for nuclear holocaust. It was slim then despite the duck and cover, bomb shelter commercials. Capitalism did not allow then nor will allow now the wide spread use of nuclear weapons.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #22 May 21, 2012 QuoteThat was the only chance we had for nuclear holocaust. Nonsense.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #23 May 21, 2012 QuoteCan someone who cares about animals eat meat? yes Can a feminist work for a man? a 'real' feminist wouldn't care what sex her boss is. so you're actually asking after the position of a rabid female sexist pig. equal rights used to be the true definition of feminism, not just the man hating stereotype Can a republican support a tax on cigarettes, or the rights of gays to marry? two questions there, the tax - sure, most republicans are tax and spenders just like dems. Gay rights, most republicans yes, just not the real evangelical wing. A true libertarian would answer no to the first, and 'just keep government out of it' to the second Can a substance abuse counselor drink beer? yes However, since your point is to post ridiculous stereotypes of each group to highlight the same problem with the original post - then this really should just answer - nice point, Billvon, well made. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #24 May 21, 2012 QuoteBut it certainly would be destroyed regarding the capability to support most life forms as we know them. Which is, of course, wholly different from pumping CO2 into the atmosphere. Try as many have to press the issue, the general public has not bought in to the idea that global warming will have even remotely near the same effects on human habitability of earth as would a nuclear holocaust, nuclear winter, or even Chernobyl. CERN seems to have provided bigger fears over the destruction of the planet through the synthesis of mini black holes (which would evaporate - we think - before they could cause any problems.) Can a person be an environmentalist and argue that mass destruction will not result from current human practices? My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
killler 2 #25 May 21, 2012 A nuclear exchange of ALL known weapons would not be that big of a deal really... The planet would recover in time.... There have been natural events that let more power/energy lose in the earths past... Man may not make it through the aftermath.... But life and the planet will.... Remember, 98% of all life forms are gone... We are but a sea flea on a blue whales tail if you wish... Fuck up the planet for a little bit... yea... destroy it... Not a chance....killler Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
