Obama is not going to win this one....

[shah269 0]

Obama is not going to win this one....
Looking at the numbers that are just in, I really don't think Obama can win this one.
The economy was just too ass raped but Jesus H Bush and his 8 years of "hey what could possibly go wrong" economics and even with creating 100k jobs a month...it looks like Obama is going to lose this one by a few thousand votes to a guy no one really likes.

And that's the funny part, no one really likes Romney. He's your classic trust fund baby be good story. Father had the cash, gave the boy every opportunity in the world and the boy took it well and now he wants to be president. I'm sure many CEO's are hoping the same for their kids as well. And I don't blame them.

But regardless, looking at the numbers, baring a massive hiring boom and the price of gas stabilizing and or a few big bank CEO's all of a sudden being held accountable and sent off to the slammer....Ombama has a better chance of meeting Jesus than getting a land slide win.

Sorry Jellocrats those GOPers did what they said they were going to do. Sacrifice the economy and the world for a one term president.

Such is life right?

Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay.

The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools!

[rushmc 23]

I am really looking forward to your posts in Nov

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Andy9o8 2]

Putting aside all partisan biases, my prediction as of this date (5/16/12) is that Obama will win. This far in advance of the election, this is subject to change; for example, if Obama seriously self-destructs on something, or if the economy really crashes badly in the next few months, or if we have some sort of major foreign/security/military disaster than can be blamed on the Administration.

I don't think Obama is as lackluster as Carter in '80 (who was not just lackluster, he was "damaged" by the Iranian hostage crisis and failed rescue mission, plus mortgage rates at 18%), but I'd allow that he's roughly equally-so with Bush, Sr. in '88. But Carter and Bush, Sr. were defeated by two very dynamic, magnetic personalities: Reagan and Clinton. Romney, on the other hand, has all the personality of a personal hygiene training film, not unlike, say, Dukakis or Dole. And barring some serious crashing & burning by the Obama Administration beyond anything currently existing, that just won't be enough to bring enough swing voters over to Romney's side to defeat an incumbent president.

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I am really looking forward to your posts in Nov

I honestly think it no longer matters.
Coorperations now have more power than almost any nation on earth and it doesn't matter who we elect. The pump is set up and won't turn off untill all the water is out of the sea.
The rich will get richer, the poor will die and as a middle class dick i'm so glad i can speak spanish.

Sorry boys, not even Obama can save us from ourselves.

Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay.

The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools!

[Andy9o8 2]

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I honestly think it no longer matters.
Coorperations now have more power than almost any nation on earth and it doesn't matter who we elect. The pump is set up and won't turn off untill all the water is out of the sea.
The rich will get richer, the poor will die and as a middle class dick i'm so glad i can speak spanish.

Holy fuck! You're a Democrat!

[shah269 0]

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Holy fuck! You're a Democrat!

I was.
But nope i'm one of those educated bastards that looks at the world and realizes that many companies have more power than many nations. Not only in terms of liquidity but simple power.
If Exxon wanted gas in the US could easily be $5 tomorrow.
And what could you do about it?
Nothing.
So what makes you think the government can do shit?

Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay.

The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools!

[davjohns 1]

I agree.

I think Obama has made himself vulnerable, but the GOP is unable to capitalize on it. Romney has a minor issue with his religious views. But the biggest problem is how the candidates do the work of the opposing party during the primaries. They tear each other apart. Even now, Ron Paul's supporters are still going after Romeny. All Obama has to do is not screw up.

I've been watching this for years. I thought Clinton and Obama were horrible candidates from an objective viewpoint. All they had going for them was charisma and an ability to speak well. Apparently that's all they needed. The Republicans put up...Bob Dole? Really?

I think candidate Romney has better credentials than candidate Obama did. But now Obama has the power of the incumbent. The GOP is delivering a battered candidate before the first real punch is delivered.

The question is 'not who will make a better president'. That hasn't been a viable question for decades. Who will win is a completely different game.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[JerryBaumchen 1,468]

Hi Andy,

I could not agree more.

Well said.

JerryBaumchen

PS) For those who support Romney, wishing does not get you much.

PPS) I am a former Republican for 42+ years.

[Andy9o8 2]

What's really amazing - appalling? - to me as a lifetime student of history and politics, is how many really dull and mediocre personalities manage to become presidential nominees. Heck, become Presidents. For all the extraordinary talent and charismatic personalities throughout the history of US politics, so many - at least half? more? - of all US presidents have been real drips. It's embarrassing.

[davjohns 1]

I don't mind a drip so much if the candidate can do the job. The problem is, in today's world, doing the job without charisma is hard. Getting elected without it is impossible. The Dems have figured this out. The GOP does not appear to have.

It's also possible that the truly qualified and charismatic conservatives are running a big company and making so much money that the presidency is not at all tantalizing. Just a thought.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[DanG 1]

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The Dems have figured this out.

Four words: Al, Gore, John, Kerry

You really think the Dems have the whole charisma thing worked out?

- Dan G

[rehmwa 2]

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The Dems have figured this out.

Four words: Al, Gore, John, Kerry

You really think the Dems have the whole charisma thing worked out?

I'm sorry, can you repeat the question? I fell asleep somewhere after the statement "Four words"

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[quade 4]

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.It's also possible that the truly qualified and charismatic conservatives are running a big company and making so much money that the presidency is not at all tantalizing. Just a thought.

If a person is truly interesting, they probably can't pass the PC vetting process of either party.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[rehmwa 2]

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If a person is truly interesting, they probably can't pass the PC vetting process of either party.

reality

winning usually means offending the fewest people, not energizing the most
that's probably a good thing, but it makes for crappy entertainment -

hell, I suspect it's so true, that sometimes opposing teams pretty much have to manufacture crap about the candidate just to bad mouth them. Or, even piss all over little inconsequential crap that we don't even care about.

noooo, that NEVER happens

at least, they haven't stooped so low as to invent issues about candidate by misquoting or deliberately misrepresenting things they say - that would just be sad - good thing politically excitable people and the media don't stoop that low...

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[davjohns 1]

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The Dems have figured this out.

Four words: Al, Gore, John, Kerry

You really think the Dems have the whole charisma thing worked out?

Good point. Although I think Kerry was pretty charismatic. I think the Swift Boat thing torpedoed him. Gore wasn't very charismatic. He just had the advantage of having been VP.

Alright. I'll give you that. Perhaps neither party has quite figured it out. I still think Barry takes this one because the GOP has managed to undermine themselves again.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[jimmytavino 16]

with the G O P and the Dems this year offering only a So- So candidate, any chance that it could leave the door open for a 3rd party Independent.????

Every 4 years, @ election time the general public gets all "excited and energized with anticipation" ... HOPING against all real common sense..... that "things will get better. everyone will be Ok. prosperity for all, is just around the corner"... and then time and time again all those best , optimistic wishes.. get Dashed into the dirt. and things do NOt improve... and do NOT get better.....

we can only get kicked in the teeth so many times,, before despair, disheartenment and desperation FINALLY overwhelm us.
Many are at that point, already.
You can only "keep the wolves from the door" for so long......

Why are we always ONLY offered Politicians !!! as presidential candidates??? while as mentioned earlier in this thread.. REAL brilliant Minds and fantastic people NEVER ascend to the national ballot, when election day rolls around????

i dunno... Scientists, economists, engineers, Teachers,,, they ALL likely would have the Better perspective on Many of the issues we face, than have lawyers, Congressmen, Senators etc....

I've been very disappointed by both Parties, in the past 3 or 4 decades. All fluff and No substance..... each of them more concerned about 'appearance and headlines' than they are about Accomplishing Anything for the People of this Country !!
they should be Ashamed of themselves...

i know i am...

and I'm generally pretty upbeat and optimistic......only Now ,,, Reality has beaten me Down...

[ShcShc11 0]

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The Dems have figured this out.

Four words: Al, Gore, John, Kerry

You really think the Dems have the whole charisma thing worked out?

Good point. Although I think Kerry was pretty charismatic. I think the Swift Boat thing torpedoed him. Gore wasn't very charismatic. He just had the advantage of having been VP.

Alright. I'll give you that. Perhaps neither party has quite figured it out. I still think Barry takes this one because the GOP has managed to undermine themselves again.

Gore wasn't charismatic?
Are you kidding?

The man lost, but he was and still is a pretty charistmatic type.

Went to see his presentation a few years back. Charismatic in front of the public and in the private conference room too while discussing about the carbon-trade market.


Cheers!

[davjohns 1]

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with the G O P and the Dems this year offering only a So- So candidate, any chance that it could leave the door open for a 3rd party Independent.????

A resounding NO in my opinion. We are set up to be a two-party system. Ross Perot (my opinion) put Clinton in office twice by trying to create a third party. A third party just divides the base of one side or the other and assures a victory for the alternate. If we required a majority vote in addition to the electoral college, it might provide a slightly different answer. Clinton never won the majority vote.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[davjohns 1]

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Gore wasn't charismatic?
Are you kidding?

The man lost, but he was and still is a pretty charistmatic type.

Went to see his presentation a few years back. Charismatic in front of the public and in the private conference room too while discussing about the carbon-trade market.


Cheers!

Really? I always saw him as about as interesting as Dole. Maybe it was just me.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[quade 4]

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with the G O P and the Dems this year offering only a So- So candidate, any chance that it could leave the door open for a 3rd party Independent.????

Nope. I'll go on record right this second and say a third party candidate has exactly zero chance of winning. I'll give 10:1 odds on that. I accept cash.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[DiverMike 5]

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Putting aside all partisan biases, my prediction as of this date (5/16/12) is that Obama will win.

+1

For the same reason I jump off a perfectly good diving board.

[kelpdiver 2]

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Obama is not going to win this one....
Looking at the numbers that are just in, I really don't think Obama can win this one.

The numbers say that he has 294 EC votes to Romney's 170, with the rest as toss ups. Doesn't guarantee a win, but state by state numbers are much more meaningful that see a battle of the California/New York v Texas poll ballot stuffings.

[quade 4]

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Obama is not going to win this one....
Looking at the numbers that are just in, I really don't think Obama can win this one.

The numbers say that he has 294 EC votes to Romney's 170, with the rest as toss ups. Doesn't guarantee a win, but state by state numbers are much more meaningful that see a battle of the California/New York v Texas poll ballot stuffings.

Well, considering a person only needs 270 to win . . .

Of course, they haven't actually been cast yet.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[lawrocket 3]

I second your prediction. I thought that Obama would get well in excess of 300 electoral votes in the last election. I do not believe he will get 365 like last time, but I am comfortable that will easily surpass 280 electoral votes.

Romney cannot energize the base. The GOP is itself too fragmented. Republicans are an amalgam of different groups that have some common goals mixed with levels of distrust. Nobody to unify. Romney is a compromise candidate, and not someone with a strong backing.

Obama takes it again. Here is a situation that is ripe for unseating a president, and could only be screwed up by the GOP.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[devildog 0]

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Obama is not going to win this one....
Looking at the numbers that are just in, I really don't think Obama can win this one.

The numbers say that he has 294 EC votes to Romney's 170, with the rest as toss ups. Doesn't guarantee a win, but state by state numbers are much more meaningful that see a battle of the California/New York v Texas poll ballot stuffings.

http://realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/2012_elections_electoral_college_map.html

243 - 170.

I'll tell you right now, FL and NC are going to Romney. MO has been polling strongly in Romney's favor as well, but I wouldn't bag it for Mitt yet atm.

You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions.