Newsweek Strikes Back - Obama Gay President Cover

[lawrocket 3]

So Newsweek is striking back against time with its own controversial cover depicting Obama with a cock ring above his head and calling him "The First Gay President." (Never mind that Franklin Pierce WAS gay and Lincoln has been suspected of being gay for ages).

This begs the question: is he a twink, a troll, or somewhere in between?

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[JohnRich 4]

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So Newsweek is striking back against time with its own controversial cover depicting Obama with a cock ring above his head . . .

I thought it was a rainbow halo, but I suppose it could be a mighty large cock ring.

Anyhow, here's a link to the article:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2012/05/13/andrew-sullivan-on-barack-obama-s-gay-marriage-evolution.html

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I think it's hilarious. He makes a single PC public statement (for political expediency) and now he's a saint.

He actually stated he'd leave it up to the States, under "State's Rights"

I though that was code wording for Super Racist..........

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So Newsweek is striking back against time with its own controversial cover depicting Obama with a cock ring above his head and calling him "The First Gay President." (Never mind that Franklin Pierce WAS gay and Lincoln has been suspected of being gay for ages).

I think you are one president off as to quite who set the standard for executive homosexuality.

Pierce's Vice President, one William Rufus King, was described as the "wife" of Pierce's successor, James Buchanan.

The relationship between Tricky Dick Nixon and Bebe Rebozo, which was close by any and all reports, has been described as "romantic" by more than a few.

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This begs the question: is he a twink, a troll, or somewhere in between?

"Begging the Question" is a logical fallacy of relevance, in which the conclusion is simply the premise rephrased.

In any event, I really don't care one way or another who sleeps with whom, so long as they have the good taste to spare me the details, and do a good job at the tasks they were elected to perform.

From the standpoint of being an out-of-control slave to one's genitals, JFK is a pretty tough act to follow. I would much prefer a stable gay politician (think Ed Koch) to a straight one whose decisions are all too often made with the wrong head.

"I haven't seen Chauncey at the Club in ages."

"You hadn't heard? He was caught having sex with a sheep!"

"Egads! Was it a ram or a ewe?"

"Ewe of course - nothing queer about old Chauncey!"


BSBD,

Winsor

[billvon 3,132]

>I think it's hilarious. He makes a single PC public statement (for political expediency)
>and now he's a saint.

And the Devil himself, to some.

I agree that this has been blown way out of proportion. He expressed a personal opinion that most Americans hold, and it's been nonstop media coverage for a week.

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I think it's hilarious. He makes a single PC public statement (for political expediency) and now he's a saint.

If you have time, read the article. The author is gay, and he understands the political calculations, but I think he does a good job of explaining why it means so much to him.

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He actually stated he'd leave it up to the States, under "State's Rights"

The federal government has been stripping rights away from the states for quite a while using the interestate commerce clause of the constitution.

Now Obama gives a shit about states rights?

For the same reason I jump off a perfectly good diving board.

[lawrocket 3]

I'm still mad that he's a guy who will support gay marriage but won't actually DO anything about it. "Leave it to the states" is actually a fine strategy for the ANTI-gay marriage people because of the Defense of Marriage Act.

Hmmm. Could a president propose legislation that would repeal DOMA? Naw... Instead he'll let the courts deal with the issue over the next "few terms."

This is the sort of political grandstanding with ZERO action behind it that I despise. I think it's worse than not saying anything because you actually give the people hope for something like a quick resolution.

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I'm still mad that he's a guy who will support gay marriage but won't actually DO anything about it.

Well, that apparently applies to around 46% of the US population and 54% of US women.

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>I think it's hilarious. He makes a single PC public statement (for political expediency)
>and now he's a saint.

And the Devil himself, to some.

I agree that this has been blown way out of proportion. He expressed a personal opinion that most Americans hold, and it's been nonstop media coverage for a week.

Made him 15 million in one day

Kind of hard to argue with that

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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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[rushmc 23]

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I'm still mad that he's a guy who will support gay marriage but won't actually DO anything about it. "Leave it to the states" is actually a fine strategy for the ANTI-gay marriage people because of the Defense of Marriage Act.

Hmmm. Could a president propose legislation that would repeal DOMA? Naw... Instead he'll let the courts deal with the issue over the next "few terms."

This is the sort of political grandstanding with ZERO action behind it that I despise. I think it's worse than not saying anything because you actually give the people hope for something like a quick resolution.

Again, it got him 15 million in one day

Works for him I guess

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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I'm still mad that he's a guy who will support gay marriage but won't actually DO anything about it.

Well, that apparently applies to around 46% of the US population and 54% of US women.

Indeed, John. And we all know that those 150 million you mention have a bully pulpit.

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This is the sort of political grandstanding with ZERO action behind it that I despise. I think it's worse than not saying anything because you actually give the people hope for something like a quick resolution.

I don't think this is the sort of thing that can have a quick resolution. And I think that we will probably see some action in time. It took some time before "Don't Ask Don't Tell" was repealed, but it happened, and that was a huge step.

Yeah, I think he's playing "smooth" or whatever, but it's a delicate situation. I don't think it would be a good idea to go all Gavin Newsom on the issue; that would push people in the wrong (IMO) direction.

There are a lot of people in this country whose feelings about same-sex marriage may be "evolving," and who may be struggling with long-held beliefs. And for those who are Obama supporters, he may actually have some influence regarding how they see the issue.

And again, if you haven't read the Newsweek article, find time to read it. I really appreciated the author's perspective.

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>I think it's hilarious. He makes a single PC public statement (for political expediency)
>and now he's a saint.

And the Devil himself, to some.

I agree that this has been blown way out of proportion. He expressed a personal opinion that most Americans hold, and it's been nonstop media coverage for a week.

Made him 15 million in one day

Kind of hard to argue with that

How do you figure that? Where no tickets sold until he made that announcement? Where tickets bought on the condition of him making this announcement?

Or, are you trying to twist the truth to try and make a point? How FOXy of you.

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>I think it's hilarious. He makes a single PC public statement (for political expediency)
>and now he's a saint.

And the Devil himself, to some.

I agree that this has been blown way out of proportion. He expressed a personal opinion that most Americans hold, and it's been nonstop media coverage for a week.

Made him 15 million in one day

Kind of hard to argue with that

How do you figure that? Where no tickets sold until he made that announcement? Where tickets bought on the condition of him making this announcement?

Or, are you trying to twist the truth to try and make a point? How FOXy of you.

Cant argue with his success to you go snarky

Fine by me

But, you take it as if that is a bad thing

You dont think he needs 15 million for hiw campain?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Cant argue with his success to you go snarky

Uhmm, I am not debating that the event following his annoucement made him a lot of money at $40,000 a ticket.

I was asking you to explain your logic how one influenced the other. The time lines seem too short.

So, care to explain?

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Cant argue with his success to you go snarky

Uhmm, I am not debating that the event following his annoucement made him a lot of money at $40,000 a ticket.

I was asking you to explain your logic how one influenced the other. The time lines seem too short.

So, care to explain?

There were not enough tickets to make 15million
Not even close

It was the donations that got that kind of cash

He would not have gotten maybe half of that if it were not for the evolution (translated , he was against gay marriage before he was for it, before he was against it, before he was for it, befor........

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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>I think it's hilarious. He makes a single PC public statement (for political expediency)
>and now he's a saint.

And the Devil himself, to some.

I agree that this has been blown way out of proportion. He expressed a personal opinion that most Americans hold, and it's been nonstop media coverage for a week.

>"....most Americans hold..."

With what 31 or 32 States rejecting Gay Marriage, how do you get to Most American's? Just wondering

[Channman 2]

Everybody seems to be using the term "Evolving". Who in the hell uses that kind of language. My thoughts on this matter are still evolving...

The term that needs to be used in discribing Obama's thoughts on this issue is "Revolving" Like the DUDE continues to go around in circles, I'm for it, against it....no I'm for it again, UHH well Im for it maybe, just let the States resolve it. He's still looking for those CORE VALUES that he thinks he might have.

[billvon 3,132]

>With what 31 or 32 States rejecting Gay Marriage, how do you get to
>Most American's?



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May 8, 2012
Half of Americans Support Legal Gay Marriage
Democrats and independents in favor; Republicans opposed
by Frank Newport

PRINCETON, NJ -- Fifty percent of Americans believe same-sex marriages should be recognized by law as valid, with the same rights as traditional marriages -- down slightly from 53% last year, but marking only the second time in Gallup's history of tracking this question that at least half of Americans have supported legal same-sex marriage. Forty-eight percent say such marriages should not be legal.
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Strategy Memo To GOP Insiders Leaks; Advises Shift To Support Of Same-Sex Marriage
Written by Instinct Staff | Monday, 14 May 2012


Jan van Lohuizen, the pollster for George W. Bush's 2004 re-election campaign, sent out a memo to Republican operatives encouraging a change in the GOP stance towards same-sex marriage.

That memo has leaked.

The general gist? That public support of same-sex marriage and equal rights for LGBT Americans is growing at a continually accelerating rate, and the GOP needs to get on board before they're effectively left in the dust.
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>"....most Americans hold..."

With what 31 or 32 States rejecting Gay Marriage, how do you get to Most American's? Just wondering

you are aware that states are unequal in size, right? California and Texas equals most of the other Western states.

That said, voting speaks louder than polling. While California may poll majority in favor, the last election with Prop 8 showed support at just less than 50%.

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Yeah, I think he's playing "smooth" or whatever, but it's a delicate situation. I don't think it would be a good idea to go all Gavin Newsom on the issue; that would push people in the wrong (IMO) direction.

I'm not asking the President to exceed the scope of his authority. What Newsome did was the equal and opposite move: Newsom did something that he isn't allowed to do while the President isn't doing what he IS allowed to do. "Here's a bill I propose to repeal 1 U.S.C. section 7 and 28 U.S.C. section 1738C."

It's not guaranteed success (though it would have been guaranteed success 18 months ago). But at least it's a step showing SOME commitment. And note that Obama is upping the ante by: (1) doing his job and enforcing DOMA; but (2) not doing his job by declining to defend DOMA in court.

Obama's deciding not to defend DOMA in court closely parallels a pharmacist's decision not to give out contraceptives to unmarried women. Sure, the law requires the pharmacist to do it, but the pharmacist is taking an admirable stand, right?

Wrong. Do your job or resign.

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[Andy9o8 3]

So go into federal court and file a mandamus action to compel the president to enforce DOMA. you've already got the tools, you just gotta have the jewels.

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So go into federal court and file a mandamus action to compel the president to enforce DOMA. you've already got the tools, you just gotta have the jewels.

We had this discussion before, pettifogger. And I doubt I would meet the standards for a justiciable controversy.

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