jakee 1,611 #76 May 14, 2012 QuoteHow many do you need? How about 1? Yeah, I think 1 would do it. What are the "real issues" that atheists can't discuss? "Relevant political topics" is a) too vague to count and b) if it means what I think it means, not just wrong but ridiculously backwards. QuoteG'day, ma'am. That's what we've been waiting for, go ahead and throw your toys out of the pram and hope it'll cover up the fact you don't have a leg to stand on. All too transparent dude, all too transparent.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #77 May 14, 2012 QuoteAll too transparent dude, all too transparent. Hey look, it's jimmy two-times!Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,611 #78 May 14, 2012 QuoteQuoteAll too transparent dude, all too transparent. Hey look, it's jimmy two-times! times.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #79 May 15, 2012 QuoteYes, one may look at it that way. One may look at it in different ways, too. One can look at the 12 steps for what they are, or one can play semantic games with them. I choose to do the first. The 1st step doesn't talk about denial, but denies an addict can quit his/her habit. later step don't talk about assistance, they talk about "a Higher Power" solving the problem for them after doing some guild tripping, because, apparently alcoholism is caused by defects in character, and not by alcohol. Yeah that's some message an Alcoholic need: "You can't help that you drink, it's not caused by alcohol and someone else is going to solve it for you" QuoteMeh, AA has helped many people, Personally, I wouldn't out-of-hand discard any program that can help with these types of things. AA claims to be effective, yet fails to proof it's effective. Claims without proof can be rejected without proof. Quote AA offers continued support and encouragement. Yes, other programs besides AA offer continued support, too. The AA implies that an alcoholic will never, ever be able to stay of booze without AA. Well, that's how I interpret "staying sober, one day at a time" and other fatalistic BS. Quote Now, as far as the religious aspect, Meh, one can take it as is, one can modify it according to needs, one can ignore it altogether. It's rather impossible to ignore the religious aspect. Some have called AA "a religion in denial". Now I don't know about that, but it's definitely religious. They call it spiritual to not scare away people who don't like religion. QuoteWhat I don't like about this whole AA and Religion talk is somebody telling me that it's all bunk and a bad thing because of the tie-in to God. BS to that. It's not God I've a problem with, try again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #80 May 15, 2012 QuoteWhat I don't like about this whole AA and Religion talk is somebody telling me that it's all bunk and a bad thing because of the tie-in to God. BS to that. QuoteIt's not God I've a problem with, try again. Whatever your problems are, relevant to my statement or not...here it is again. "What I don't like about this whole AA and Religion talk is somebody telling me that it's all bunk and a bad thing because of the tie-in to God. BS to that" You sound as if you have no experience of any sort with AA. You sound as if you are depending entirely on one-sided papers, articles and arguments to form your opinion. OK.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DSE 5 #81 May 16, 2012 BAck to topic... Enjoy The Jesus App now downloadable from UTunes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 906 #82 May 16, 2012 Or practice church at home Gotta start the brainwashing early. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #83 May 16, 2012 QuoteYou sound as if you have no experience of any sort with AA. You sound as if you are depending entirely on one-sided papers, articles and arguments to form your opinion. OK. This would be an argumentum ad hominem: you ignore my arguments (and the fact that those are different from the arguments in the paper) and instead try to refute those arguments by refuting my ability to make those arguments. Way to go, pops! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #84 May 16, 2012 QuoteBAck to topic... Enjoy The Jesus App now downloadable from UTunes. Do you mean this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZ2IGlci22E"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
