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Obama (finally) declares support for same-sex marriage.

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I think somebody hacked Marinus' account. What he's been saying here is light years away from the norm from him.



Pops, I think you would also consider it pathologically rude if someone started to meddle in your love life. Imagine what it would feel like if I came to you door to tell you what you can and can't do in bed, an who you can or cannot marry. It's no different from me. People are entitled to their religious views, even if those religious views are homophobic, but just like their sexuality they should keep their religion to themselves.

All the bull-shit about same-sex marriage being a danger to the institution of marriage or society or whatnot is just that: bull-shit. There's no examples of societies that came into trouble for tolerating homosexuality or same-sex marriage. OTOH there's loads and loads of examples of fear-mongers who claim a certain demographic is a Cancer2Society to induce fear and hatred for said demographic.

It's not good to dwell on the past too much, but it doesn't hurt to remember that the worst thing that ever happened to homosexuals is Christianity. I don't blame every modern Christian for that, but there's still plenty of homophobia among Christians. I don't buy those claims that Christians are genuinely worried about the institution of marriage. Sure there might be delusional idiots who think gay-marriage will destroy their marriage and society, but for the most part it's the same tactics Christians traditionally used to induce fear and hatred for certain groups.

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Give it up, man.
I think somebody hacked Marinus' account. What he's been saying here is light years away from the norm from him.



Pops, I think you would also consider it pathologically rude if someone started to meddle in your love life. Imagine what it would feel like if I came to you door to tell you what you can and can't do in bed, an who you can or cannot marry. It's no different from me. People are entitled to their religious views, even if those religious views are homophobic, but just like their sexuality they should keep their religion to themselves.Who is doing that? And this sound more like an excuse you are giving to yourself to talk down your nose at those with whom you disagree

All the bull-shit about same-sex marriage being a danger to the institution of marriage or society or whatnot is just that: bull-shit. There's no examples of societies that came into trouble for tolerating homosexuality or same-sex marriage. OTOH there's loads and loads of examples of fear-mongers who claim a certain demographic is a Cancer2Society to induce fear and hatred for said demographic.

It's not good to dwell on the past too much, but it doesn't hurt to remember that the worst thing that ever happened to homosexuals is Christianity. I don't blame every modern Christian for that, but there's still plenty of homophobia among Christians. I don't buy those claims that Christians are genuinely worried about the institution of marriage. Sure there might be delusional idiots who think gay-marriage will destroy their marriage and society, but for the most part it's the same tactics Christians traditionally used to induce fear and hatred for certain groups.


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it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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Islam sucks too, darling, mainly because it's related to Christianity of course. Over all Christianity is a bit more degraded depraved in the sadistic department. Christians engaged in some very creative torture until normal people made that illegal. It's of special interest that Christians tortured people to dead for fictive crimes.

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Islam sucks too, darling, mainly because it's related to Christianity of course. Over all Christianity is a bit more degraded depraved in the sadistic department. Christians engaged in some very creative torture until normal people made that illegal. It's of special interest that Christians tortured people to dead for fictive crimes.



Really? You think that that depravity and creative torture follow the tenets of biblical christianity?

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Yes, because Islam is so tolerant of homosexuals. Yet, you focus your hate on Christianity.

Why is that?



Because he lives in a predominantly christian country and is discussing the issue with people from predominantly christian countries.


Oh, that's right, I forgot that in your world Islam is that religioin those little brown people in the Middle East believe in. Not something those of us in the rest of the world are exposed to. :S

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You'l have a hard time arguing that the Muslim religion has greater impact on US internal laws and state politics than Christianity.

As Dekker said, given the context of the conversation, discussing it under the Christian doctrine is more than appropriate.
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You'l have a hard time arguing that the Muslim religion has greater impact on US internal laws and state politics than Christianity.



Right, because that wasn't what I was arguing.

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As Dekker said, given the context of the conversation, discussing it under the Christian doctrine is more than appropriate.



I wasn't confining my question to the context of the conversation. I was commenting about the posters history in general.

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Give it up, man.
I think somebody hacked Marinus' account. What he's been saying here is light years away from the norm from him.



Pops, I think you would also consider it pathologically rude if someone started to meddle in your love life. Imagine what it would feel like if I came to you door to tell you what you can and can't do in bed, an who you can or cannot marry. It's no different from me. People are entitled to their religious views, even if those religious views are homophobic, but just like their sexuality they should keep their religion to themselves.

All the bull-shit about same-sex marriage being a danger to the institution of marriage or society or whatnot is just that: bull-shit. There's no examples of societies that came into trouble for tolerating homosexuality or same-sex marriage. OTOH there's loads and loads of examples of fear-mongers who claim a certain demographic is a Cancer2Society to induce fear and hatred for said demographic.

It's not good to dwell on the past too much, but it doesn't hurt to remember that the worst thing that ever happened to homosexuals is Christianity. I don't blame every modern Christian for that, but there's still plenty of homophobia among Christians. I don't buy those claims that Christians are genuinely worried about the institution of marriage. Sure there might be delusional idiots who think gay-marriage will destroy their marriage and society, but for the most part it's the same tactics Christians traditionally used to induce fear and hatred for certain groups.



I had this question sometime back with Bill concerning Public opinion of same sex marriage. The polls would seem to indicate a majority support for legal recognition of same-sex couples (Marriage). However everytime its come to a vote in what 32 states it has been defeated. (I guess the majority was out of town).

Why use the term homophobic? or even in your case christianphobic? Why marriage Vs Civil Unions and or a legal contract reconized by a state.

Marriage is considered a sacred union between a Man and a Women, by millions in this country and has been for several thousand years, maybe this is the LINE that many are willing to stand on and say respectfully No. I'm just asking the question Why Marriage, when there are methods to obtain the legal reconition and protection under the law.

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