Parents no longer allowed to teach their kids work ethics

[kallend 2,148]

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So the answer is lock yor kid in the house?

Life is dangerous and always ends in death. Get over it. You will have no one to blame but your self if you shelter your kid like that and then he grows up ignorant.

You're mischaracterizing moderate concerns as extreme ones in order to demonize them and squelch all dissent. That's not a dialogue.

It's not unreasonable to address balancing interests when out comes to the safety of minors. Of course there's a great deal of good that comes from kids working on family farms. But farms do happen to be on the higher end of dangerous workplaces.

Depending on the study you read, farming is considered either the third or fourth most dangerous occupation in the US. That's higher, by the way, than police officers, construction workers and coal miners.

So let's balance the interest, rather than demagoguing the issue.

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[kelpdiver 2]

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You're mischaracterizing moderate concerns as extreme ones in order to demonize them and squelch all dissent. That's not a dialogue.

But the starting point, a proposal to ban all work, isn't dialogue either.

[jgoose71 0]

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So the answer is lock yor kid in the house?

Life is dangerous and always ends in death. Get over it. You will have no one to blame but your self if you shelter your kid like that and then he grows up ignorant.

You're mischaracterizing moderate concerns as extreme ones in order to demonize them and squelch all dissent. That's not a dialogue.

It's not unreasonable to address balancing interests when out comes to the safety of minors. Of course there's a great deal of good that comes from kids working on family farms. But farms do happen to be on the higher end of dangerous workplaces.

Depending on the study you read, farming is considered either the third or fourth most dangerous occupation in the US. That's higher, by the way, than police officers, construction workers and coal miners.

So let's balance the interest, rather than demagoguing the issue.

My apologies, I forgot myself. I forgot that only the left demagogues and shouts down the opposition......

Let me put it this way, anytime a kid steps out side it is dangerous. I would dare say that there are some neighborhoods in Chicago that are even more dangerous than a farm. That is no reason to start a ban though.

There are plenty of child neglect/endangerment/abuse laws on the books already. If a child dies, investigate it to see if it falls into one of these categories, and then move on.

To start stepping in and telling a parent what they can or can't do with their kid, especially when they are teaching a kid valuable skills and and ethics that will help them be a contributing member of society is straight up wrong.

Why in earth would the government want to step in between responsible parents and their kids anyway? Shouldn't they be concentrating on the irresponsible ones?

Or is this all a part of the left's plan to create social equality? If you can't drag one side up, drag the other side down?

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[grimmie 186]

The new law would not have been in effect for family farms. Parents could haventhe kids driving machinery and milkingnthe cows all day long.
It was for under 16 kids on other farms.

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The new law would not have been in effect for family farms. Parents could haventhe kids driving machinery and milkingnthe cows all day long.
It was for under 16 kids on other farms.

I'm afraid you are wrong, kemosabe. This is from the original article:

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The Department of Labor is poised to put the finishing touches on a rule that would apply child labor laws to children working on family farms, prohibiting them from performing a list of jobs on their own families’ land.

Under the rules, most children under 18 could no longer work “in the storing, marketing and transporting of farm product raw materials.”

“Prohibited places of employment,” a Department press release read, “would include country grain elevators, grain bins, silos, feed lots, stockyards, livestock exchanges and livestock auctions.”

I'm sure some over zealous prosecutor would also classify moving items from the field to the silo as "Transporting" under the law also...

I guess since they figure city children are forced to sit inside and play x-box all day, they would make the country folk do the same.

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[marks2065 0]

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...There are nearly 1.7 million children under 20 years of age living on farms and ranches in the United
States. Farm children are often needed and expected to help with chores or handle responsibilities
at a young age. Due to this fact, and the nature of farming, they are exposed to potentially dangerous
situations much more frequently than children in towns or cities. Here are some startling statistics
about child safety on the farm:
• An estimated 300 children die each year in farming accidents
• Farm children are twice as likely to die from an accident than their urban counterparts
• An estimated 30,000 children under 20 years of age are injured each year in farming accidents
• If children who visit or work on non-family farms are added the total is estimated to be close to
100,000 injuries
• Nearly 950 farm children suffer some type of permanent disability because of farm accidents annually
• Approximately 90% of the fatalities and injuries occur to male children
• Children under the age of 16 comprise 20% of all farm fatalities
The three primary agents responsible for deaths and injuries to children on the farm are: tractors,
farm machinery, and livestock. It is important to realize that children on farms may be exposed to
other situations capable of producing health hazards in the future. Some of these exposures are:
noise, vibration, pesticides, dangerous gasses, and airborne irritants...

And many kids are killed every day in the city, maybe we should ban cities.

[jclalor 12]

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The new law would not have been in effect for family farms. Parents could haventhe kids driving machinery and milkingnthe cows all day long.
It was for under 16 kids on other farms.

I'm afraid you are wrong, kemosabe. This is from the original article:
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The Department of Labor is poised to put the finishing touches on a rule that would apply child labor laws to children working on family farms, prohibiting them from performing a list of jobs on their own families’ land.

Under the rules, most children under 18 could no longer work “in the storing, marketing and transporting of farm product raw materials.”

“Prohibited places of employment,” a Department press release read, “would include country grain elevators, grain bins, silos, feed lots, stockyards, livestock exchanges and livestock auctions.”

I'm sure some over zealous prosecutor would also classify moving items from the field to the silo as "Transporting" under the law also...

I guess since they figure city children are forced to sit inside and play x-box all day, they would make the country folk do the same.

I would think 99% of people would consider a "family farm" as one that is owned by the parents. The story sounds a lot differnent if its labled, "not being able to work on a relatives farms".

The latter of the two labels does not conjure up the same visceral reaction.

[lawrocket 3]

It appears thast the refulation initially killed any of the kids working on their own family farms but was changed after some significant pressure.

So now all it means is that if you have parents who own a farm, you can work at it. Thus ensuring that only those kids are allowed to get that experience.

I wonder if the Dept. of Labor will also ban attaching signs to three year-olds at some protest/rally. THere's one I may support.

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[Gravitymaster 0]

Many cities run summer programs for inner city kids that give them the experience of working on a farm. I think this gives these kids a very nice break from daily life in the inner city and also a different perspective on life outside their fish bowl. This program would seem to end that type of program. I would think a community organizer would understand this.

[jclalor 12]

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It appears thast the refulation initially killed any of the kids working on their own family farms but was changed after some significant pressure.

Ironically, Fox kind of got this one right.

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Under heavy pressure from farm groups, the Obama administration is dropping an effort to prevent children from doing hazardous work on farms owned by anyone other than their parents.

The Labor Department says it is withdrawing proposed rules that would ban children younger than 16 from using most power-driven equipment. The rules also would prevent those younger than 18 from working in feed lots, grain bins and stockyards.

The agency says thousands of comments have expressed concern about the impact of the changes on small family-owned farms. Many farm groups have complained that the rules would upset traditions in which children often work alongside relatives other than parents to learn how a farm operates.

Government officials have said their goal was to protect children from life-threatening injuries.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/26/govt-backs-off-new-limits-on-child-labor-on-farms/

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