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It's not an issue for Athiest



seems to be an issue for you - making a big stink about it all the time.

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For some, their religion is a personal thing, but for many, the trinity is the foundation of their Christian faith.



+1 and +1...doesn't really have much to do with who they vote for.
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It looks like one the biggest obstacles for Romney's Mormn faith



Personally I think that may be more of an issue for people like you...religious folk may have strong opinions, but for the most part it's a personal thing.



It's not an issue for Athiest, you can pretty much bet that Romney will recieve very few of their votes.



Why would an atheist care which flavor of crazy he's voting for? Obama and Romney both have some crazy religous beliefs, neither of which will affect my vote (though I'd give mormom magic panties my top vote for hilarity).

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It looks like one the biggest obstacles for Romney's Mormn faith



Personally I think that may be more of an issue for people like you...religious folk may have strong opinions, but for the most part it's a personal thing.



It's not an issue for Athiest, you can pretty much bet that Romney will recieve very few of their votes.



Why would an atheist care which flavor of crazy he's voting for? Obama and Romney both have some crazy religous beliefs, neither of which will affect my vote (though I'd give mormom magic panties my top vote for hilarity).

Blues,
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As an Athiest, a nominee's religous beliefs do not matter to me, the nominee that will use his beliefs on how he will govern does. Romeny already has a history of letting his religous beliefs dictate how he will govern, Obama, not so much.

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As an Athiest, a nominee's religous beliefs do not matter to me, the nominee that will use his beliefs on how he will govern does. Romeny already has a history of letting his religous beliefs dictate how he will govern, Obama, not so much.



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but I'd temper it a bit - if his religious beliefs support that he's against murder and stealing and treating others unfairly, etc, etc, etc. Then I don't mind those beliefs guiding his leadership.

If those beliefs drive him to force others to sacrifice sheep, beat their daughters, and throw citizens into woodchippers for fashion reasons, then I have a real problem with it.

I don't care how someone gets their morality, I just care about the content of their defined morality.

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It's not an issue for Athiest, you can pretty much bet that Romney will recieve very few of their votes.



Why would an atheist care which flavor of crazy he's voting for? Obama and Romney both have some crazy religous beliefs, neither of which will affect my vote (though I'd give mormom magic panties my top vote for hilarity).

Blues,
Dave



As an Athiest, a nominee's religous beliefs do not matter to me, the nominee that will use his beliefs on how he will govern does. Romeny already has a history of letting his religous beliefs dictate how he will govern, Obama, not so much.



I suppose I can agree with that, but it also doesn't disagree with what I said. I don't care which flavor of Santa Claus our President grew up believing in. I would care if he wanted to put Santa Claus on the one dollar bill, but that's related to the action, not the belief. I'm currently unaware of Romney's religion being a significant factor in his policy decisions. If what you say is true, that'll negatively affect my opinion of him.

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As an Athiest, a nominee's religous beliefs do not matter to me, the nominee that will use his beliefs on how he will govern does. Romeny already has a history of letting his religous beliefs dictate how he will govern, Obama, not so much.



Got some cites to support that? Stuff he's actually done as opposed to what you *think* he'll do?
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As an Athiest, a nominee's religous beliefs do not matter to me, the nominee that will use his beliefs on how he will govern does. Romeny already has a history of letting his religous beliefs dictate how he will govern, Obama, not so much.



this

but I'd temper it a bit - if his religious beliefs support that he's against murder and stealing and treating others unfairly, etc, etc, etc. Then I don't mind those beliefs guiding his leadership.

If those beliefs drive him to force others to sacrifice sheep, beat their daughters, and throw citizens into woodchippers for fashion reasons, then I have a real problem with it.

I don't care how someone gets their morality, I just care about the content of their defined morality.



What he said. There are some fundamental concepts of human morality that are common across all (or at least most) relgions. In a society built on freedom of religion, the only morals that should be manifest in our public policy are those tenets that are so widespread among humans of any belief system as to not restrict or impede their adherence to said faith. Given our collective appreciation for freedom and liberty, the wiccan rede would seem to be a good basis. "Be it no harm to others, do as you will". In other words, don't kill, hurt, or steal from others. Otherwise, have fun doing whatever lets you sleep at night.

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Got some cites to support that? Stuff he's actually done as opposed to what you *think* he'll do?



Why would it matter? anything I would consider based on Biblical teaching, you would just say it's based on Morals, like prop 8.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57372883-503544/romney-gingrich-blast-prop-8-ruling/

Can you imagine a Republican nominee stating they would not govern based upon biblical values?

The fact is, the republicans did end up with the least religiously overt candiate out of the major contenders, but then again, we know why that is.

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So you've got no instances of Romney "letting his religous beliefs dictate how he will govern", then?



I just gave you one.



No, you didn't - unless Gingrich suddenly turned Mormon, as well?

Because, y'know, I can't see anything in the article about Romney mentioning the Mormon faith at all in reference to the issue.
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So you've got no instances of Romney "letting his religous beliefs dictate how he will govern", then?




http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/12/16/romney-more-prayer-in-schools/

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Mitt Romney grew reflective when asked about God and government at a town hall in Iowa Friday.

A man asked the GOP candidate about the role of religion in American society.

"I know there are some people who would like to make this nation a secular nation, who want to take God out of everything that exists in this country," Romney said. "They try to say it's unconstitutional."

Romney pointed to the Declaration of Independence, saying the document "points out that it's God who gave us those rights in the first place."

The former Massachusetts governor is a Mormon and has at times shrugged off detractors who do not consider his religion to be Christian.

Romney told the audience at an Iowa plant that he believed there should be more prayer in schools and more "religious ornamentation" in the public square.

"I'm not looking for teachers to have prayer every day in the classroom but I do think at special ceremonies - graduation, football games and the like, that calling on our creator is a good idea," he said.

He continued: "I trust in God, and I know you do, and I believe it's appropriate for us to recognize in the public square that we do indeed have a creator and that we trust in our creator, particularly at this time of year," he said.



Lets see Romney lead a prayer where he starts out: "Dear Elohim, please bless us tonight...."

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So you've got no instances of Romney "letting his religous beliefs dictate how he will govern", then?




http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/12/16/romney-more-prayer-in-schools/

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Mitt Romney grew reflective when asked about God and government at a town hall in Iowa Friday.

A man asked the GOP candidate about the role of religion in American society.

"I know there are some people who would like to make this nation a secular nation, who want to take God out of everything that exists in this country," Romney said. "They try to say it's unconstitutional."

Romney pointed to the Declaration of Independence, saying the document "points out that it's God who gave us those rights in the first place."

The former Massachusetts governor is a Mormon and has at times shrugged off detractors who do not consider his religion to be Christian.

Romney told the audience at an Iowa plant that he believed there should be more prayer in schools and more "religious ornamentation" in the public square.

"I'm not looking for teachers to have prayer every day in the classroom but I do think at special ceremonies - graduation, football games and the like, that calling on our creator is a good idea," he said.

He continued: "I trust in God, and I know you do, and I believe it's appropriate for us to recognize in the public square that we do indeed have a creator and that we trust in our creator, particularly at this time of year," he said.



Lets see Romney lead a prayer where he starts out: "Dear Elohim, please bless us tonight...."



So, still nothing that shows where his religion affected his actions? *tsk*
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As an Athiest, a nominee's religous beliefs do not matter to me, the nominee that will use his beliefs on how he will govern does. Romeny already has a history of letting his religous beliefs dictate how he will govern, Obama, not so much.



Depends on whether you think him christian or muslim :P
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