Senator Feinstein puts hold on reciprocity bill

[mnealtx 0]

Link.

Hardly a surprise from Senator "A gun for me but not for thee" Feinstein. Hopefully saner heads can get the votes out to get past the hold.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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[Southern_Man 0]

What is required to get past a hold? I thought a hold was one of those "senatorial privilidges" which couldn't be overriden?

"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"

[kelpdiver 2]

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What is required to get past a hold? I thought a hold was one of those "senatorial privilidges" which couldn't be overriden?

this isn't like that. She just refused to let them do it quickly. The article covers it in more detail.

[davjohns 1]

That story is full of so much rubbish. She's a poltiician and one of the elite. Annoying how she's twisting things.

Most states already recognize each others' permits. It only makes sense, really.

Law enforcement would hardly be in greater danger from licensed owners. And her statement assumes out of state motorists pose a greater threat than domestic. Rubbish.

The Trayvon Martin incident is standard politician flag waving with the hot issue of the day. Making policy decisions on things like that are called 'knee jerk reactions' in a disparaging manner for a reason.

Then, there's the quotes at the end that speak for all legislators and their unified view toward the gun lobby. Anyone who pretends to speak for such a diverse group like that indicates to me that they are lying and hoping I'm stupid enough to believe them.

I'm not saying I'm necessarily for the legislation. I'll think about it. I just hate attempts to obscure sound policy promulgation with emotion and lies.

I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet..

But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course.

[jclalor 12]

I thought you guys were big on state's right's?

[mnealtx 0]

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I thought you guys were big on state's right's?

Like a bill where states recognize each others' papers, you mean?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[rushmc 23]

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That story is full of so much rubbish. She's a poltiician and one of the elite. Annoying how she's twisting things.

Most states already recognize each others' permits. It only makes sense, really.

Law enforcement would hardly be in greater danger from licensed owners. And her statement assumes out of state motorists pose a greater threat than domestic. Rubbish.

The Trayvon Martin incident is standard politician flag waving with the hot issue of the day. Making policy decisions on things like that are called 'knee jerk reactions' in a disparaging manner for a reason.

Then, there's the quotes at the end that speak for all legislators and their unified view toward the gun lobby. Anyone who pretends to speak for such a diverse group like that indicates to me that they are lying and hoping I'm stupid enough to believe them.

I'm not saying I'm necessarily for the legislation. I'll think about it. I just hate attempts to obscure sound policy promulgation with emotion and lies.

No, most states dont

Many recognize Utah's permits
But Utah will not issue a permit to someone out of state until that person has a permit from the state they are in

Example

MN does not recognize IA's permits

But is does Utah's

AZ permits are recognized by KS and OK

But KS and OK do not recognize Iowa's

Its a mess

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jclalor 12]

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I thought you guys were big on state's right's?

Like a bill where states recognize each others' papers, you mean?

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[mnealtx 0]

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That story is full of so much rubbish. She's a poltiician and one of the elite. Annoying how she's twisting things.

Most states already recognize each others' permits. It only makes sense, really.

Law enforcement would hardly be in greater danger from licensed owners. And her statement assumes out of state motorists pose a greater threat than domestic. Rubbish.

The Trayvon Martin incident is standard politician flag waving with the hot issue of the day. Making policy decisions on things like that are called 'knee jerk reactions' in a disparaging manner for a reason.

Then, there's the quotes at the end that speak for all legislators and their unified view toward the gun lobby. Anyone who pretends to speak for such a diverse group like that indicates to me that they are lying and hoping I'm stupid enough to believe them.

I'm not saying I'm necessarily for the legislation. I'll think about it. I just hate attempts to obscure sound policy promulgation with emotion and lies.

No, most states dont

Many recognize Utah's permits
But Utah will not issue a permit to someone out of state until that person has a permit from the state they are in

Example

MN does not recognize IA's permits

But is does Utah's

AZ permits are recognized by KS and OK

But KS and OK do not recognize Iowa's

Its a mess

He's not claiming that most states recognize *every other* states' CHL, rush...just that reciprocity is there among many states, which is true.

A fair number of states will return reciprocity to any state that recognizes their license.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[rushmc 23]

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That story is full of so much rubbish. She's a poltiician and one of the elite. Annoying how she's twisting things.

Most states already recognize each others' permits. It only makes sense, really.

Law enforcement would hardly be in greater danger from licensed owners. And her statement assumes out of state motorists pose a greater threat than domestic. Rubbish.

The Trayvon Martin incident is standard politician flag waving with the hot issue of the day. Making policy decisions on things like that are called 'knee jerk reactions' in a disparaging manner for a reason.

Then, there's the quotes at the end that speak for all legislators and their unified view toward the gun lobby. Anyone who pretends to speak for such a diverse group like that indicates to me that they are lying and hoping I'm stupid enough to believe them.

I'm not saying I'm necessarily for the legislation. I'll think about it. I just hate attempts to obscure sound policy promulgation with emotion and lies.

No, most states dont

Many recognize Utah's permits
But Utah will not issue a permit to someone out of state until that person has a permit from the state they are in

Example

MN does not recognize IA's permits

But is does Utah's

AZ permits are recognized by KS and OK

But KS and OK do not recognize Iowa's

Its a mess

He's not claiming that most states recognize *every other* states' CHL, rush...just that reciprocity is there among many states, which is true.

A fair number of states will return reciprocity to any state that recognizes their license.

You are correct
There is some

But not as much as many think

As my examples point out

The only reason I got th Utah permit is because I live a mile from the MN border

MN does not recognize Iowa's permit

Very few do

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

Here is some good info on reciprocity

http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[matthewcline 0]

I am, right after Individual Rights.

Matt

An Instructors first concern is student safety.
So, start being safe, first!!!

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I thought you guys were big on state's right's?

Like a bill where states recognize each others' papers, you mean?

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Your driver's license is valid in all states, both as a form of ID and as a license to drive. You are expected to know and obey the local state's variations on traffic law.

They are suggesting the same should be done for CCW, in part because gun ownership (if not carry) is protected by 2nd, whereas driving is merely a priviledge.

[DaVinci 0]

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I thought you guys were big on state's right's?

Yes, the 2nd should really be all we would ever need, but the left does not see it that way.

And I am for States rights, are you?

[jclalor 12]

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Your driver's license is valid in all states, both as a form of ID and as a license to drive. You are expected to know and obey the local state's variations on traffic law.

Just not marriage licenses.

[jclalor 12]

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***I thought you guys were big on state's right's?

Yes, the 2nd should really be all we would ever need, but the left does not see it that way.

And I am for States rights, are you?

I never said a state has a right to ban them.

So if anyone can carry in Arizona, even with a major mental illness, they could carry anywhere they want?

What about free speech? What is considered protected speech varies from state to state . I'm sure the good and godly people of Alabama don't want my California obscenity laws to be forced upon them.

All you would-be Harry callahan's are just gonna have to chill.

[kelpdiver 2]

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Your driver's license is valid in all states, both as a form of ID and as a license to drive. You are expected to know and obey the local state's variations on traffic law.

Just not marriage licenses.

they were recognized across states until the politics around gay marriage popped up.

[GeorgiaDon 385]

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Your driver's license is valid in all states, both as a form of ID and as a license to drive. You are expected to know and obey the local state's variations on traffic law.

Just not marriage licenses.

they were recognized across states until the politics around gay marriage popped up.

It wasn't all that long ago that interracial marriages weren't recognized across stat lines. Certainly, within living memory for lots of people.

Don

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***Your driver's license is valid in all states, both as a form of ID and as a license to drive. You are expected to know and obey the local state's variations on traffic law.

Just not marriage licenses.

they were recognized across states until the politics around gay marriage popped up.

That was my point.

[popsjumper 2]

First, yes, I am for State's Rights. Just like Matt, after individual rights.

Yes, each state can make whatever laws they deem fit for their populace. Individual states can, and do, make laws that conflict with each other. Nothing new there.

All is well and good.

What is NOT good is when those laws conflict with our constitution which applies on the national level. Fortunately, we have recourse through the federal court system up to and including the Supreme Court which, allegedly, operates outside the realm of politics.

Sadly, that not so much true anymore...if it ever was.

So, what we are left with is yes, laws differ from state to state and there's really no requirement that one state recognize the laws of another state. While reciprocity is nice in that it eliminates a lot of confusion and that it protects visiting people from being jailed because of lack of knowledge, it's by no means required.

When you travel from state to state you may be subjecting yourself to detainment even though you are legal in your home state. Feinstein and co. are promoting that endangerment at this time.

Be careful.

Such is life.


Besides that, she's just a bozo anyway.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[Andy9o8 3]

So you're motivated by a fear of clowns?

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So you're motivated by a fear of clowns?

Given the constant flow of posts like this it seems a bit off that you post to me about being dismisive and not being about you

10 for 10?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Andy9o8 3]

Another astute bullseye, Marc. Hey, thanks for keeping me honest.

[DaVinci 0]

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So if anyone can carry in Arizona, even with a major mental illness, they could carry anywhere they want?

Read the GCA 68. You are trying to use a false analogy to make an emotional argument.

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All you would-be Harry callahan's are just gonna have to chill.

Ah, the best you can do now is insults?

[winsor 236]

Besides that, she's just a bozo anyway.

Hey, that's a PA on Bozos!

"My mother was a Bozoette in High School..."