billvon 3,120 #26 April 18, 2012 >Apples and oranges >Farmers get rent for the land Exactly. >The developers get cash for megawatts Exactly. >I could take to you a 100 land owners here and I would guess that 80% >would never sign the contract again Yes, you could guess, if you wanted to spin it to support your (oft-stated) agenda. The truth is that farmers are making a lot of money from wind. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #27 April 18, 2012 Quote>Apples and oranges >Farmers get rent for the land Exactly. >The developers get cash for megawatts Exactly. >I could take to you a 100 land owners here and I would guess that 80% >would never sign the contract again Yes, you could guess, if you wanted to spin it to support your (oft-stated) agenda. The truth is that farmers are making a lot of money from wind. No They are making money renting out thier land BIG difference But spin if you wish You know what my point was, and is"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #28 April 18, 2012 >They are making money renting out thier land Exactly. They rent their land to wind companies. >BIG difference Right. Like saying that landlords don't make money from the people living in their properties, they make it in rent. That's not even up to your usual standards of spin. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #29 April 18, 2012 Quote>They are making money renting out thier land Exactly. They rent their land to wind companies. >BIG difference Right. Like saying that landlords don't make money from the people living in their properties, they make it in rent. That's not even up to your usual standards of spin. I could try and type slower but you would still ignore it Electricity is the topic Electricity from wind It is not a money maker for those who build them if not for gov intervention When the wind industry dies, these land owners are going to be left with huge concrete slugs in thier land and no rent (as stated in the easements they signed) So the spinning is yours The land owners are just lucky winners as determined by our government"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #30 April 19, 2012 Quote>I make a living by knowing the difference between the two and investing >other peoples money on the outcome. I don't get credit for possibilities, I >get credit for results. Yep, 90% of the people out there go for the sure things, and for investment counselors that's probably a very good plan. Of course, you would have missed out on the ground floor on plastics, automobiles, transistors, microprocessors, personal computers, digital telephones, the Internet etc etc as well. But you can still get reasonable returns by waiting until all those things are proven moneymakers. You'll never get the big payout, of course, but smaller returns are good enough for most people. The ground floor is not where the money is, the smart money is on the second floor. Take a look at history and you will find that actors that entered the market later made much more money, and are still around. What would you rather have invested in Commodore or Apple? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #31 April 19, 2012 >What would you rather have invested in Commodore or Apple? Apple. Or in my case Qualcomm. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #32 April 20, 2012 Quote>What would you rather have invested in Commodore or Apple? Apple. Or in my case Qualcomm. Yes Qualcomm is another good example of a second floor company, building on and refining the work of other "ground floor" enterprises, and being much more successful than those "ground floorers" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #33 April 20, 2012 >Yes Qualcomm is another good example of a second floor company, >building on and refining the work of other "ground floor" enterprises OK. By those standards solar is pretty mature, then. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #34 April 20, 2012 Quote>Yes Qualcomm is another good example of a second floor company, >building on and refining the work of other "ground floor" enterprises OK. By those standards solar is pretty mature, then. Yep and a well demonstrated LOOSER. Just like electric cars, and windmills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #35 April 23, 2012 Quote>Yes Qualcomm is another good example of a second floor company, >building on and refining the work of other "ground floor" enterprises OK. By those standards solar is pretty mature, then. Did you get in on the ground floor of Beta tapes, after all they were way better than VHS. How about clold fusion, did you make a killing on that? I know we have to "invest" for the future, after all we would still be using whale oil if not for government grants to the karosene industry. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
