grimmie 186 #1 April 16, 2012 After watching the Republican debates and primary speeches for so long, I have a question. How in the world will Mitt Romney be able to hold his own in a debate with Obama? Romney has flip flopped all over the place. ObamaCare was his idea. Romney has flat out lied, a lot. Romney can't attack him on national security with any real zest. The economy has improved. When Mitt goes after job losses, Obama can wreck him with some Bain deals job loss numbers. Obama hasn't taken any guns as predicted. So what does Mitt have that gives him any type of advantage in the debates? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #2 April 16, 2012 Quote So what does Mitt have that gives him any type of advantage in the debates? A lot of idiots listen to FoxNews. Let me clarify what I mean by that. It doesn't matter if the person in the debate is factual or correct as long as the people think he is. If a country has an ill informed populace it makes it considerably easier for a person to use that ill informed opinion to his advantage. That said, Romney sucks as a debater compared to Obama. Even if Romney had some ammunition, I don't think he knows how to use it very well.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #3 April 16, 2012 Quote Quote So what does Mitt have that gives him any type of advantage in the debates? A lot of idiots listen to FoxNews. As opposed to the idiocy from ABC/NBC/CBS/etc that generated the laundry list above?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #4 April 16, 2012 Quote Quote Quote So what does Mitt have that gives him any type of advantage in the debates? A lot of idiots listen to FoxNews. As opposed to the idiocy from ABC/NBC/CBS/etc that generated the laundry list above? Right, right . . . ABC, CBS and NBC all got together and created Grimmie's post. Oh . . . kay . . . no conspircy theories here! quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #5 April 16, 2012 Romney will be able to hold his own in debates for the simple reason that both he and Obama are so flawed. I can think of simple explanations to things: (1) Romney has flip flopped. Okay, I can't defend that. Call him Kerry, Jr. (2) Obamacare was his idea: for someone like me, I'd say, "That's fine is a state wants to do it because the Constitution allows states to do it. The feds, on the other hand..." Sure, it's not necessarily an argument that would work. The public has gotten used to an unlimited federal government. (3) Romney flat out lied - yep. So has the current guy. (4) National security - Romney can point out gate rape and other intrusions (5) The economy has improved - yeah. But there's still a lot of discomfort that can be capitalized upon. It sure hasn't been unemployment under 8%. (6) Both get wrecked with job losses (7) Obama hasn't taken any guns. True. He gave them away to Mexican cartels that killed people with them. Mitt's only disadvantage is that he is going against Obama on a national stage where Obama has been before. The issue that Romney has is that the DNC has perhaps learned a lesson and not portrayed Romney as an idiot. It's backfired every time (think of Dubya, who may have only come across as average against Gore, which elevated him tremendously in the eyes of people who were expecting a moron). Both sides can shred each other. Politics as usual. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #6 April 16, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote So what does Mitt have that gives him any type of advantage in the debates? A lot of idiots listen to FoxNews. As opposed to the idiocy from ABC/NBC/CBS/etc that generated the laundry list above? Right, right . . . ABC, CBS and NBC all got together and created Grimmie's post. Oh . . . kay . . . no conspircy theories here! Are you *really* trying to say that all of those talking points *haven't* been raised by the various news outlets?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #7 April 16, 2012 Quote After watching the Republican debates and primary speeches for so long, I have a question. How in the world will Mitt Romney be able to hold his own in a debate with Obama? Seriously? Gitmo, Porkulous, Transparency on legislation, Tax increases, Afganistan, SCOTUS, and the list goes on. Watch and learn grasshopper. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #8 April 17, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote So what does Mitt have that gives him any type of advantage in the debates? A lot of idiots listen to FoxNews. As opposed to the idiocy from ABC/NBC/CBS/etc that generated the laundry list above? Right, right . . . ABC, CBS and NBC all got together and created Grimmie's post. Oh . . . kay . . . no conspircy theories here! Are you *really* trying to say that all of those talking points *haven't* been raised by the various news outlets? What I'm saying is there isn't a conspiracy as you've suggested in your post. Don't group them all together. They collectively didn't create the laundry list.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #9 April 17, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote So what does Mitt have that gives him any type of advantage in the debates? A lot of idiots listen to FoxNews. As opposed to the idiocy from ABC/NBC/CBS/etc that generated the laundry list above? Right, right . . . ABC, CBS and NBC all got together and created Grimmie's post. Oh . . . kay . . . no conspircy theories here! Are you *really* trying to say that all of those talking points *haven't* been raised by the various news outlets? What I'm saying is there isn't a conspiracy as you've suggested in your post. Don't group them all together. They collectively didn't create the laundry list. I didn't claim a conspiracy. Any suggestion of such is entirely yours, not mine.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #10 April 17, 2012 Then you need to write more clearly, because the implication is certainly there. Read it again.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #11 April 17, 2012 QuoteThen you need to write more clearly, because the implication is certainly there. Read it again. You need to read it again. He isn't saying they conspired to create the list. He's just saying that's where the list came from. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #12 April 17, 2012 QuoteThen you need to write more clearly, because the implication is certainly there. Read it again. There's nothing in there to suggest a conspiracy - maybe you should check your assumptions before calling the composition into question.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #13 April 17, 2012 Quote Quote Then you need to write more clearly, because the implication is certainly there. Read it again. You need to read it again. He isn't saying they conspired to create the list. He's just saying that's where the list came from. Well, that's freaking clear as mud. They didn't generate it, but it came from them...huh?!?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #14 April 17, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Then you need to write more clearly, because the implication is certainly there. Read it again. You need to read it again. He isn't saying they conspired to create the list. He's just saying that's where the list came from. Well, that's freaking clear as mud. They didn't generate it, but it came from them...huh?!? He's got a whole laundry list of talking points that have been espoused by the various news outlets. Some are arguably true, some are points that have been rebutted (LR did a fine job, above) but are still considered gospel truth by the left. The logic is quite clear once you let go of the 'they wrote grimmie's post for him' conspiracy crap.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #15 April 17, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Then you need to write more clearly, because the implication is certainly there. Read it again. You need to read it again. He isn't saying they conspired to create the list. He's just saying that's where the list came from. Well, that's freaking clear as mud. They didn't generate it, but it came from them...huh?!? No, they generated the individual talking points. Whether it was a conspiracy or not, we don't know. However, Mike wasn't suggesting it's a conspiracy to come up with all the items on the list. Just that all the items on the list came from the alpha numeric networks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #16 April 17, 2012 QuoteAfter watching the Republican debates and primary speeches for so long, I have a question. How in the world will Mitt Romney be able to hold his own in a debate with Obama?... How the debates are likely to shape up is Common Knowledge. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #17 April 17, 2012 QuoteGitmo Agree. I'm pissed he hasn't closed it. Of course, for people who want it closed, Romney is definitely not our man. QuotePorkulousObama will claim it helped, Romney will say it didn't. This issue is not a real decider. QuoteTransparency on legislationWhen did the President start passing legislation? I agree he shouldn't have promised transparency he couldn't deliver, but he'll just lay this at the feet of Congress. QuoteTax increasesWhich ones? Taxes have not gone up under Obama. QuoteAfganistanWhat about it? You think he'll get blamed for prosecuting a war he promised to prosecute? QuoteSCOTUSHuh? Quoteand the list goes onThen please go on. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,229 #18 April 17, 2012 Quote Quote After watching the Republican debates and primary speeches for so long, I have a question. How in the world will Mitt Romney be able to hold his own in a debate with Obama?... How the debates are likely to shape up is Common Knowledge. ... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #19 April 17, 2012 Quote Quote Quote After watching the Republican debates and primary speeches for so long, I have a question. How in the world will Mitt Romney be able to hold his own in a debate with Obama?... How the debates are likely to shape up is Common Knowledge. What ever happened to SNL? I miss it...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aphid 0 #20 April 17, 2012 From the outside looking in, I think there is a distinct possibility that if both men use their oratorical and debating skills and stay away from partisan cheap-shots, portions of any debates between stand a reasonable chance of being very interesting, even bordering perhaps on rather intelligent. I, for one, look forward to it in that case. If I'm correct however, the debates will only be followed by a small segment of the electorate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,521 #21 April 17, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote After watching the Republican debates and primary speeches for so long, I have a question. How in the world will Mitt Romney be able to hold his own in a debate with Obama?... How the debates are likely to shape up is Common Knowledge. What ever happened to SNL? I miss it... The characters became skydivers and now deliver on a place called dz.com Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #22 April 17, 2012 QuoteFrom the outside looking in, I think there is a distinct possibility that if both men use their oratorical and debating skills and stay away from partisan cheap-shots, portions of any debates between stand a reasonable chance of being very interesting, even bordering perhaps on rather intelligent. you are exactly correct - but, even just looking at all the posts other than yours on just this one thread, and inferring what the average person REALLY wants to hear (i.e., bashing of the other side as pure evil and rationalization of anything on their side as perfect and wonderful) what do you think will REALLY happen? (hint - it'll a quade/mike exchange with occasional snide comment from the gallery and then puctuated with the blatant racism/bias of frequent wslc postings) - I don't see much other than safe talking points from either group with calculated attacks when the handlers think it'll score more brownie points from the fanatics. The fanatics don't care about winning, they care about total humiliation of anyone that dares to disagree with their petty political religion - so the attacks will be frequent and childish and served up for a low IQ audience) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #23 April 17, 2012 Perhaps, but that's only because your side is populated entirely by poopie-heads. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grimmie 186 #24 April 17, 2012 The laundry list of talking points about Romney are my own. Romney is a flat out liar and a flip flopper like no other. All politicians say a lot of stuff, but he is the king of misspeaking. I think he will get slayed in any debate with Obama. That's just my own opinion of course. Some of us here in SC like actual debate, not snide little comments that add zero to the conversation. I think there are many different Republicans that could have been a more viable POTUS. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #25 April 17, 2012 QuoteI think he will get slayed in any debate with Obama. That's just my own opinion of course. And he very well may. Or may not. QuoteSome of us here in SC like actual debate, not snide little comments that add zero to the conversation. So, when are you going to start? Claiming that talking points that have been on the air over and over and over again over the last several months are all things that you came up with on your own is just a *bit* disingenuous, don't you think? QuoteI think there are many different Republicans that could have been a more viable POTUS. So do I - unfortunately, the media has once again guaranteed the choice between shit sandwich and shit sandwich with mustard.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
