jgoose71 0 #1 April 12, 2012 Beach volleyball used to have a mandatory bikini uniform policy. It seems that in an effort to draw more countries into the sport (such as Muslim countries) they are going to bikini optional. However, talking to the U.S. champions, the bikini clad teams will most likely have a distinct advantage. Is this fair? And does it take away from the purity of the sport? Full story: http://msn.foxsports.com/olympics/story/Olympics-Beach-volleyball-bikinis-raise-issues-at-2012-Summer-Games-in-London This would normally be a bonfire discussion, but because the primary concern is the inclusion and/or discrimination of Muslim women, I chose to put it in here. Not to mention, SC threads lately have sucked. You guys needed something better in here."There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #2 April 12, 2012 I think the advantage is overstated, particularly against a sleeveless top. This is a skill sport and the differences there far exceed the wardrobe ones. This is not so true in track and swimming where drag is a significant factor. There's no point in forcing all to a suboptimal attire in order to make it fair for all. We've seen the Muslim women track athletes running in full body suits. That's their choice, but it devastates performance. What they have done for volleyball is to give these athletes the ability to play in a manner they approve of. They may give up 1% on the comfort, but if the choice is that or nothing...obvious call. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #3 April 12, 2012 Didn't one of the top US women runners wear a bodysuit, or am I mis-remembering? Is there really that much of a performance drop?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgoose71 0 #4 April 12, 2012 Quote I think the advantage is overstated, particularly against a sleeveless top. This is a skill sport and the differences there far exceed the wardrobe ones. This is not so true in track and swimming where drag is a significant factor. There's no point in forcing all to a suboptimal attire in order to make it fair for all. We've seen the Muslim women track athletes running in full body suits. That's their choice, but it devastates performance. What they have done for volleyball is to give these athletes the ability to play in a manner they approve of. They may give up 1% on the comfort, but if the choice is that or nothing...obvious call. It can devastate their performance in the sand also. You should read the article. The US players worked with Oakley to design uniforms that keep out/ minimize chaffing from sand, provide maximum support where needed, and allow the most freedom of movement. You can have their bikinis when you pry them off their cold lifeless bodies ."There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southern_Man 0 #5 April 12, 2012 QuoteDidn't one of the top US women runners wear a bodysuit, or am I mis-remembering? Is there really that much of a performance drop? body suits are designed to be low-drag. Somehow they have only gained limited acceptance in track and field. Cathy Freeman, the Australian 400m runner, wore one in Sydney, she is probably the most famous. The research is mixed on how much they help. In swimming, by contrast, there was a lot of evidence that they helped a lot with drag and for a brief while they were worn frequently. However currently the rules for suits state that they can't go past your knees and maybe shoulders as well."What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #6 April 12, 2012 Appreciate the reply, Southern Man. Was pretty sure I remembered bodysuits being popular with the sprinters.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,595 #7 April 12, 2012 QuoteIn swimming, by contrast, there was a lot of evidence that they helped a lot with drag and for a brief while they were worn frequently. More than a lot of evidence, they did work and obscenely well, which was why they were banned. The tech war was in danger of overshadowing the human element. (With the swim suits it was partially surface drag reduction, but also buoyancy. Swimmers were wearing up to three suits at a time to lift themselves as far out of the water as possible and reduce their underwater surface area, same reason why open water swimmers will always wear a wetsuit if the rules allow it. So as well as governing how much of the body the suit can cover, the new rules are mostly concerned with what kinds of fabric you can use.)Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #8 April 12, 2012 Hard to get the vert. necessary to spike it in a burka. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #9 April 12, 2012 Quote It can devastate their performance in the sand also. You should read the article. The US players worked with Oakley to design uniforms that keep out/ minimize chaffing from sand, provide maximum support where needed, and allow the most freedom of movement. You can have their bikinis when you pry them off their cold lifeless bodies . I read it - didn't see anything that talked about their performance being devastated. Not sold on the lack of sand chafing either - yes, fewer places for sand to get in, but more skin exposed to it when diving as well. For me personally, there is considerable value in sun protection on my pasty white skin. I'd never survive on the beach tour. I do want as much ventilation as possible, but there is gain in having something to wipe off the sweat on too. I do believe they are the best end result, but it's also convenient for both the sport and the athletes in terms of the marketing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgoose71 0 #10 April 13, 2012 Quote I do want as much ventilation as possible, but there is gain in having something to wipe off the sweat on too. Haven't spent a lot of time in the sand, have you? Given the choice between wet skin and a wet bathing suit in the sand, wet skin wins every time. If I were a professional beach volleyball player, my uniform would be a speedo. If I were forced to play in a Burqini, I would finish in last place every time. http://www.burqini.com/"There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #11 April 13, 2012 They're talking about an outfit similar to bike shorts and a singlet, right? Is that *really* going to be such a disadvantage to the non-bikini crowd?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #12 April 13, 2012 QuoteQuote I do want as much ventilation as possible, but there is gain in having something to wipe off the sweat on too. Haven't spent a lot of time in the sand, have you? check my screen name for a clue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
davjohns 1 #13 April 13, 2012 QuoteQuoteIn swimming, by contrast, there was a lot of evidence that they helped a lot with drag and for a brief while they were worn frequently. More than a lot of evidence, they did work and obscenely well, which was why they were banned. The tech war was in danger of overshadowing the human element. (With the swim suits it was partially surface drag reduction, but also buoyancy. Swimmers were wearing up to three suits at a time to lift themselves as far out of the water as possible and reduce their underwater surface area, same reason why open water swimmers will always wear a wetsuit if the rules allow it. So as well as governing how much of the body the suit can cover, the new rules are mostly concerned with what kinds of fabric you can use.) I remember watching the Olympics where M. Phelps cleaned up in swimming. I'll always remember the race where the other American broke the world record and still came in third. Obviously, those suits were helping.I know it just wouldnt be right to kill all the stupid people that we meet.. But do you think it would be appropriate to just remove all of the warning labels and let nature take its course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #14 April 13, 2012 http://www.burqini.com/ WTF! This is some crazy ass shit the "thick" engineering girls rock at the pool....and they wonder why the guys look right past them! Muslim countries can go fuck themselves! NO really go fuck yourself you camel fucking fuck! Get your shit in gear let your women show off their bodies like god intended or we will elect Bush 3.0 and liberate your sorry camel loving asses and introduce you to 1) Bikinis! 2) Women's lib! 3) BLT's and my favorite! 4) Porn!Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #15 April 13, 2012 Quotehttp://www.burqini.com/ WTF! This is some crazy ass shit the "thick" engineering girls rock at the pool....and they wonder why the guys look right past them! Muslim countries can go fuck themselves! NO really go fuck yourself you camel fucking fuck! Get your shit in gear let your women show off their bodies like god intended or we will elect Bush 3.0 and liberate your sorry camel loving asses and introduce you to 1) Bikinis! 2) Women's lib! 3) BLT's and my favorite! 4) Porn! Egads man!" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #16 April 13, 2012 QuoteThis would normally be a bonfire discussion, but because the primary concern is the inclusion and/or discrimination of Muslim women, I chose to put it in here. The Gop nominee for President would side with the Muslims on this one, in fact they pretty much have the same taste when it come to bathing suits. http://modestswimsuitsandswimwear.com/lds-swimwear.php Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #17 April 13, 2012 I'd rather look at that than some beached whale with cellulitus, and rolls of fat accentuated with stretch marks in a skimpy bikini 3 sizes too small. http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/view/653357/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #18 April 13, 2012 Quote I remember watching the Olympics where M. Phelps cleaned up in swimming. I'll always remember the race where the other American broke the world record and still came in third. Obviously, those suits were helping. suits and faster pools, with the suits doing more. the most negative aspect of the suits was that they were very expensive (ballpark of $1000) and yet were only fully effective for a few swims. Sponsored athletes didn't have to worry about this expense, but everyone else did. There's always been some aspect where better equipment favors some, but the delta became too significant. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PiLFy 3 #19 April 13, 2012 Quote http://www.burqini.com/ WTF! This is some crazy ass shit the "thick" engineering girls rock at the pool....and they wonder why the guys look right past them! Muslim countries can go fuck themselves! NO really go fuck yourself you camel fucking fuck! Get your shit in gear let your women show off their bodies like god intended or we will elect Bush 3.0 and liberate your sorry camel loving asses and introduce you to 1) Bikinis! 2) Women's lib! 3) BLT's and my favorite! 4) Porn! Um, Shah? What ever happened to that promise to be nice to engineering types, etc, etc...for a year? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #20 April 13, 2012 I don't much care what they wear. But, if they personally choose to wear something that degrades their performance - that's too bad and they can't whine about others or force them to sandbag to 'make it even'. I thought it was hilarious when the snowboarders in the last olympics were wearing baggy suits on so-called "speed" or racing events. What a joke. When (bad) fashion takes precedence over performance, clearly they aren't 'real' athletes. Snowboarding or volleyball - they deserve derision and mockery ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #21 April 14, 2012 QuoteI don't much care what they wear. But, if they personally choose to wear something that degrades their performance - that's too bad and they can't whine about others or force them to sandbag to 'make it even'. I thought it was hilarious when the snowboarders in the last olympics were wearing baggy suits on so-called "speed" or racing events. What a joke. When (bad) fashion takes precedence over performance, clearly they aren't 'real' athletes. Snowboarding or volleyball - they deserve derision and mockery Right, REAL athletes skydive.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southern_Man 0 #22 April 14, 2012 Quote Quote When (bad) fashion takes precedence over performance, clearly they aren't 'real' athletes. Snowboarding or volleyball - they deserve derision and mockery Right, REAL athletes skydive. Well, they don't choose fashion over performance...for everybody but skydivers jumpsuits went out of fashion in the 70s."What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #23 April 16, 2012 Quote Quote http://www.burqini.com/ WTF! This is some crazy ass shit the "thick" engineering girls rock at the pool....and they wonder why the guys look right past them! Muslim countries can go fuck themselves! NO really go fuck yourself you camel fucking fuck! Get your shit in gear let your women show off their bodies like god intended or we will elect Bush 3.0 and liberate your sorry camel loving asses and introduce you to 1) Bikinis! 2) Women's lib! 3) BLT's and my favorite! 4) Porn! Um, Shah? What ever happened to that promise to be nice to engineering types, etc, etc...for a year? Yeah well....I was walking into work the other day and one of the engineering chicks farted infront of me....didn't even turn around to say sorry...just ripped a fat fart from her titanic ass and well at that point I took it as a sign from god! And WTF is this shit! http://modestswimsuitsandswimwear.com/lds-swimwear.php Really! WTF!Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #24 April 16, 2012 Leave it to Shah to go seeking Mormon cheesecake. "There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #25 April 16, 2012 QuoteQuoteI don't much care what they wear. But, if they personally choose to wear something that degrades their performance - that's too bad and they can't whine about others or force them to sandbag to 'make it even'. I thought it was hilarious when the snowboarders in the last olympics were wearing baggy suits on so-called "speed" or racing events. What a joke. When (bad) fashion takes precedence over performance, clearly they aren't 'real' athletes. Snowboarding or volleyball - they deserve derision and mockery Right, REAL athletes skydive. At this point - a photo montage of fatty skydivers is warranted - but I'm just too lazy to do it. Please, all, use your imaginations here. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
