Gravitymaster 0 #26 April 15, 2012 Please tell us the name of a Fox commentator who is on Fox's and the DNC payroll at the same time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #27 April 15, 2012 WELL, it seems that Mitt himself doesn't reckon stay at home moms are working enough. (Unless they are wealthy, of course). video.msnbc.msn.com/up-with-chris-hayes/47053681#47053681... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #28 April 16, 2012 Quote WELL, it seems that Mitt himself doesn't reckon stay at home moms are working enough. (Unless they are wealthy, of course). video.msnbc.msn.com/up-with-chris-hayes/47053681#47053681 How difficult it must be to live in your world and totally miss the point. I realize you have alot of nice things, and you feel guilty about it. It must have been given to you. I would be surprised if you had to work hard for what you have accomplished because you don't understand the trap that government aid has become. I think you should sell all your material goods, turn over your accounts to your uncle, and live off the land in ALaska or something.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #29 April 16, 2012 Quote Quote WELL, it seems that Mitt himself doesn't reckon stay at home moms are working enough. (Unless they are wealthy, of course). video.msnbc.msn.com/up-with-chris-hayes/47053681#47053681 How difficult it must be to live in your world and totally miss the point. I realize you have alot of nice things, and you feel guilty about it. It must have been given to you. I would be surprised if you had to work hard for what you have accomplished because you don't understand the trap that government aid has become. I think you should sell all your material goods, turn over your accounts to your uncle, and live off the land in ALaska or something. Romney said at a Jan. 4 campaign stop in Manchester, N.H.: “Even if you have a child two years of age, you need to go to work.” What he left out was "Unless your name is Anne Romney."... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #30 April 16, 2012 Quote Quote Quote WELL, it seems that Mitt himself doesn't reckon stay at home moms are working enough. (Unless they are wealthy, of course). video.msnbc.msn.com/up-with-chris-hayes/47053681#47053681 How difficult it must be to live in your world and totally miss the point. I realize you have alot of nice things, and you feel guilty about it. It must have been given to you. I would be surprised if you had to work hard for what you have accomplished because you don't understand the trap that government aid has become. I think you should sell all your material goods, turn over your accounts to your uncle, and live off the land in ALaska or something. Romney said at a Jan. 4 campaign stop in Manchester, N.H.: “Even if you have a child two years of age, you need to go to work.” What he left out was "Unless your name is Anne Romney." Here's what he actually said. Quote "Even if you have a child two years of age, you need to go to work,” Romney said at a Jan. 4 campaign stop in Manchester, N.H., describing his position as Massachusetts governor. “And people said, ‘Well that’s heartless,’ and I said ‘No, no, I’m willing to spend more giving daycare to allow those parents to go back to work. It’ll cost the state more providing that daycare, but I want the individuals to have the dignity of work.’ ” Romney’s comment came in response to a question about welfare dependence and personal responsibility, and his campaign pointed out similarities between it and a statement Democratic former President Bill Clinton made in 1996, when he signed welfare reform legislation. “This act honors my basic principles of real welfare reform. It requires work of welfare recipients, limits the time they can stay on welfare, and provides child care and health care to help them make the move from welfare to work,” Clinton said at the time. “It demands personal responsibility, and puts in place tough child support enforcement measures.” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #31 April 16, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote WELL, it seems that Mitt himself doesn't reckon stay at home moms are working enough. (Unless they are wealthy, of course). video.msnbc.msn.com/up-with-chris-hayes/47053681#47053681 How difficult it must be to live in your world and totally miss the point. I realize you have alot of nice things, and you feel guilty about it. It must have been given to you. I would be surprised if you had to work hard for what you have accomplished because you don't understand the trap that government aid has become. I think you should sell all your material goods, turn over your accounts to your uncle, and live off the land in ALaska or something. Romney said at a Jan. 4 campaign stop in Manchester, N.H.: “Even if you have a child two years of age, you need to go to work.” What he left out was "Unless your name is Anne Romney." Here's what he actually said. Quote "Even if you have a child two years of age, you need to go to work,” Romney said at a Jan. 4 campaign stop in Manchester, N.H., describing his position as Massachusetts governor. “And people said, ‘Well that’s heartless,’ and I said ‘No, no, I’m willing to spend more giving daycare to allow those parents to go back to work. It’ll cost the state more providing that daycare, but I want the individuals to have the dignity of work.’ ” Romney’s comment came in response to a question about welfare dependence and personal responsibility, and his campaign pointed out similarities between it and a statement Democratic former President Bill Clinton made in 1996, when he signed welfare reform legislation. “This act honors my basic principles of real welfare reform. It requires work of welfare recipients, limits the time they can stay on welfare, and provides child care and health care to help them make the move from welfare to work,” Clinton said at the time. “It demands personal responsibility, and puts in place tough child support enforcement measures.” Kind of like Palin being quoted as saying she could see Russia huh…. Nice job John"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #32 April 16, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote WELL, it seems that Mitt himself doesn't reckon stay at home moms are working enough. (Unless they are wealthy, of course). video.msnbc.msn.com/up-with-chris-hayes/47053681#47053681 How difficult it must be to live in your world and totally miss the point. I realize you have alot of nice things, and you feel guilty about it. It must have been given to you. I would be surprised if you had to work hard for what you have accomplished because you don't understand the trap that government aid has become. I think you should sell all your material goods, turn over your accounts to your uncle, and live off the land in ALaska or something. Romney said at a Jan. 4 campaign stop in Manchester, N.H.: “Even if you have a child two years of age, you need to go to work.” What he left out was "Unless your name is Anne Romney." Here's what he actually said. ***"Even if you have a child two years of age, you need to go to work,” Romney said at a Jan. 4 campaign stop in Manchester, N.H., describing his position as Massachusetts governor. “And people said, ‘Well that’s heartless,’ and I said ‘No, no, I’m willing to spend more giving daycare to allow those parents to go back to work. It’ll cost the state more providing that daycare, but I want the individuals to have the dignity of work.’ ” Yep, I quoted him correctly. So did Anne go to work when she had a 2 year old?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #33 April 16, 2012 I'm sure you see no difference in what you claim he meant, from what he actually meant given the full context. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #34 April 16, 2012 QuoteI'm sure you see no difference in what you claim he meant, from what he actually meant given the full context. What he meant is what he said - that POOR mothers with 2 year old kids should go to work outside the home. OTOH rich mothers have full time jobs dealing with the nannies, maids, butler, caring for 2 Cadillacs...... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #35 April 16, 2012 QuoteQuoteI'm sure you see no difference in what you claim he meant, from what he actually meant given the full context. What he meant is what he said - that POOR mothers with 2 year old kids should go to work outside the home. OTOH rich mothers have full time jobs dealing with the nannies, maids, butler, caring for 2 Cadillacs... Don't breed em if you can't feed em. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #36 April 16, 2012 QuoteQuoteI'm sure you see no difference in what you claim he meant, from what he actually meant given the full context. What he meant is what he said - that POOR mothers with 2 year old kids should go to work outside the home. OTOH rich mothers have full time jobs dealing with the nannies, maids, butler, caring for 2 Cadillacs... Anne Romney isn't receiving welfare.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #37 April 16, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteI'm sure you see no difference in what you claim he meant, from what he actually meant given the full context. What he meant is what he said - that POOR mothers with 2 year old kids should go to work outside the home. OTOH rich mothers have full time jobs dealing with the nannies, maids, butler, caring for 2 Cadillacs... Anne Romney isn't receiving welfare. Totally irrelevant with respect to the comments that outraged you righties. Being a rich stay at home mom counts as "work", but being a poor stay at home mom doesn't.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #38 April 16, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote I'm sure you see no difference in what you claim he meant, from what he actually meant given the full context. What he meant is what he said - that POOR mothers with 2 year old kids should go to work outside the home. OTOH rich mothers have full time jobs dealing with the nannies, maids, butler, caring for 2 Cadillacs... Anne Romney isn't receiving welfare. Totally irrelevant with respect to the comments that outraged you righties. Being a rich stay at home mom counts as "work", but being a poor stay at home mom doesn't. Nobody said it isn't work and they've found someone to pay them for it (you and I). He just said the boss would like to see some addditional productivity. Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #39 April 17, 2012 QuoteSpeaking to supporters the day before her 63rd birthday, Ann Romney called a Democratic consultant's criticism last week of her decision to be a stay-at-home mom "an early birthday gift." "It was my early birthday present for someone to be critical of me as a mother, and that was really a defining moment, and I loved it," Romney told donors at a private fundraiser Sunday in Palm Beach, Fla What a shock. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #40 April 17, 2012 QuoteQuoteFox never hides the fact they are biased. Something about being "Fair and balanced"doesn't sound familiar? What sounds familiar is that so many people actually believe your gambit.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #41 April 17, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteFox never hides the fact they are biased. Something about being "Fair and balanced"doesn't sound familiar? What sounds familiar is that so many people actually believe your gambit. I'm still struggling to resolve Gravitymaster's claim that Fox doesn't hide the blindingly obvious fact that they are biased with their "Fair and Balanced" motto. His defence was see above post, which had nothing germane to the question. Fox claims to be unbiased, unlike the LIBERAL MEDIA. Its ardent fans claim the same. But now GM says no, they don't claim it at all. The only funnier bit is trying to explain away Romney's hypocrisy in making single moms work for dignity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #42 April 18, 2012 So let me see if I understand you. Are you saying you were unaware that Fox News leans right? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #43 April 18, 2012 QuoteSo let me see if I understand you. Are you saying you were unaware that Fox News leans right? I would think micropenises tend to be perpendicular...fair and balanced.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #44 April 18, 2012 QuoteSo let me see if I understand you. Are you saying you were unaware that Fox News leans right? What he is aware of, and what Fox claims ("Fair and Balanced") are NOT the same thing. Fox's claim is simply untrue.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #45 April 18, 2012 QuoteQuoteSo let me see if I understand you. Are you saying you were unaware that Fox News leans right? What he is aware of, and what Fox claims ("Fair and Balanced") are NOT the same thing. Fox's claim is simply untrue. Out of gas again so you have to change what I said? I said Fox does not hide the fact they are biased. The fact that everyone knows they are makes it apparent they don't hide it. You would do well to start paying attention. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #46 April 18, 2012 QuoteThe fact that everyone knows they are makes it apparent they don't hide it. Except that is not a fact. Many people truly believe they get wonderful and honest news from them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #47 April 18, 2012 QuoteQuoteThe fact that everyone knows they are makes it apparent they don't hide it. Except that is not a fact. Many people truly believe they get wonderful and honest news from them. Nope, they feel they get news AND commentary more aligned with their views. I have never heard anyone in authority at Fox deny a bias. I have heard many at the alphabet networks deny it, however. I know that in your perfect world, news organizations would present all sides of an issue. Question is, how many sides does an issue have? Do you give air time to even the most far out wacky views? Where do you draw the line? Who gets to decide where that line is? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deltron80 0 #48 April 18, 2012 Does anyone actually think that Ann Romney has worked a day in her life? Ordering around nannies doesn't count as work. The sad truth is the majority of rich people in the US simply inherited their business and/or wealth. Horatio Alger was a fiction author. The real hero in society is the single mother working 2 jobs, but they don't usually make it on Fox News or CNN. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #49 April 18, 2012 QuoteQuoteThe fact that everyone knows they are makes it apparent they don't hide it. Except that is not a fact. Many people truly believe they get wonderful and honest news from them. I noticed when they first started airing programs, Fox attempted to always put someone from both right and left on every program in a real attempt to show balanced programming. So likely they started with the "Fair and Balanced" signline with the true intent. They were very clear to contrast opinion vs news shows and even the opinion shows had interviews that always balanced (you rarely had a single person interview, they always had a right and left guest and usually a 'neutral' expert too). Of course this was fairly short lived. The customer base demanded a right leaning programming philosophy. At this point one could just treat the "Fair and Balanced" line as acknowledgement that Fox knowingly leans right to "balance" the ridiculous left leaning of the rest of mainstream media. In that term, it's pretty accurate. It certainly works in terms of gathering viewership. And since it's a business, that's a win for them. Make money - that's what all the 'news and opinion' stations are all about. The only show that really bugs me is the morning show - I can't even watch it - the woman is ugly, the two guys appear to be total idiots and the content is slanted to a comical level. I tend to just watch local stations for news and look up what I need for major stuff. I don't trust any of the stations out there at all the second any report stops giving facts and starts speculating about causes, effects, or theory. Sadly, that pretty much happens with any story, from every station - usually in the intro teaser. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #50 April 18, 2012 Even the Fox opinion and commentary shows have left-wingers on quite regularly. Beckel, Comes, Wiliams as well as many other left-wing commentators. Sure, they lean right but not nearly as much as liberals like to claim. To say Fox tries to hide that they lean right is almost psychotic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites