Is Some Homophobia Self-Phobia?

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Classic homosexuality, males, is considered the result of choices made when raised by a weak or absent father and a strong dominant mother or mother figure.

I never have understood the phobia aspect.

How old were you when you decided not to be a homosexual?

The article seems to say sometime during adolescents if raised by bad parents.

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Some decisions one never forgets.

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The phobia part was invented as an attempt to put anyone who criticizes homosexuals, on the defensive. It's actually just stupid pop psychology.

Are whites and blacks drinking from the same water fountain pop psychology to you too?

I have no idea what you are trying to say, but let me help you out.

The same stupid pop psychology the article tries to use is equivalent to claiming that the reason many blacks hate whites is because they secretly wish they were white. See how stupid that sounds?

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Classic homosexuality, males, is considered the result of choices made when raised by a weak or absent father and a strong dominant mother or mother figure.

I like how you say 'classic' because you're referring to old, discredited ideas and then say 'is considered' to make it sound like those ideas are actually current thinking.

I really hope you don't behave like that with the vulnerable people you work with.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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The phobia part was invented as an attempt to put anyone who criticizes homosexuals, on the defensive.

The phobia part was invented because there are actually idiots around that think they should meddle in Adam and Steve's love life because they think it somehow fucks up their life.

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Classic homosexuality, males, is considered the result of choices made when raised by a weak or absent father and a strong dominant mother or mother figure.

Uhhhhh, how you say, bullshit?

I grew up in a male dominated household. Father played in the NFL, brother was a star football player in high school, sister played basketball in high school and college, always did 'guy' stuff with my pops, going to sports events, car shows, etc. My mum? Wasn't strong or dominant and was not absent or weak. Both parents were around but spent more time with my dad doing dude stuff than cooking and sewing with my mum.

You could argue that...oh wait, no you can't...so what happened to me?

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Is Classic homosexuality what they did in the greek times?

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The phobia part was invented as an attempt to put anyone who criticizes homosexuals, on the defensive.

The phobia part was invented because there are actually idiots around that think they should meddle in Adam and Steve's love life because they think it somehow fucks up their life.

Exactly my point. Glad we agree. Live and let live.

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Glad we agree.

I seriously doubt we agree. And I seriously doubt you've a live and let live approach to us homers.

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Then you would be wrong once again. Problem with many of you liberals, which I constantly point out on here, is that you get a templated image of someone stuck in your head and think they conform to a specific template. I really couldn't care less how you get your rocks off. Just don't come to me expecting any special treatment.

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Problem with many of you liberals, which I constantly point out on here, is that you get a templated image of someone stuck in your head and think they conform to a specific template.

Note that's also true of a lot of you conservatives

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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Problem with many of you liberals, which I constantly point out on here, is that you get a templated image of someone stuck in your head and think they conform to a specific template.

Note that's also true of a lot of you conservatives

Wendy P.

Yep, but we are far less likely to ask for a special status.

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Problem with many of you liberals, which I constantly point out on here, is that you get a templated image of someone stuck in your head and think they conform to a specific template.

Note that's also true of a lot of you conservatives

Wendy P.

Yep, but we are far less likely to ask for a special status.

What special status? Like being able to marry someone?

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Problem with many of you liberals, which I constantly point out on here, is that you get a templated image of someone stuck in your head and think they conform to a specific template.

Note that's also true of a lot of you conservatives

Wendy P.

Yep, but we are far less likely to ask for a special status.

What special status? Like being able to marry someone?

Nope. How about "hate crime legislation as an example? And we aren't just talking about homosexuality.

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I think you're on to something there. Frankly I would not fall over in shock if we hear about Santorum getting caught looking for love with Newt

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The same stupid pop psychology the article tries to use is equivalent to claiming that the reason many blacks hate whites is because they secretly wish they were white. See how stupid that sounds?

Not quite the same. It claims these guys ARE in fact homosexuals...like all the family values Republicans we find in compromising positions with other men. Not wishing to be gay...being out, fully flaming, if closeted, gay men.

I don't personally buy too much into this research. While some antigay types are in fact gay, many are just intolerant assholes.

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I don't personally buy too much into this research. While some antigay types are in fact gay, many are just intolerant assholes.

Agreed. That's much more likely.

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Problem with many of you liberals, which I constantly point out on here, is that you get a templated image of someone stuck in your head and think they conform to a specific template.

Note that's also true of a lot of you conservatives

Wendy P.

Yep, but we are far less likely to ask for a special status.

What special status? Like being able to marry someone?

Nope. How about "hate crime legislation as an example? And we aren't just talking about homosexuality.

So your real beef is with hate crime legislation.. go figure.

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Problem with many of you liberals, which I constantly point out on here, is that you get a templated image of someone stuck in your head and think they conform to a specific template.

Note that's also true of a lot of you conservatives

Wendy P.

Yep, but we are far less likely to ask for a special status.

What special status? Like being able to marry someone?

Nope. How about "hate crime legislation as an example? And we aren't just talking about homosexuality.

So your real beef is with hate crime legislation.. go figure.

I have no idea why you think that's what I meant in a broader context. But yes, I oppose any group that wants special laws passed just for them. Assault is assault. Murder is murder. Why is it any more or less heinous just because someone identifies themselves with a particular group?

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Problem with many of you liberals, which I constantly point out on here, is that you get a templated image of someone stuck in your head and think they conform to a specific template.

Note that's also true of a lot of you conservatives

Wendy P.

Yep, but we are far less likely to ask for a special status.

What special status? Like being able to marry someone?

Nope. How about "hate crime legislation as an example? And we aren't just talking about homosexuality.

So your real beef is with hate crime legislation.. go figure.

I have no idea why you think that's what I meant in a broader context. But yes, I oppose any group that wants special laws passed just for them. Assault is assault. Murder is murder. Why is it any more or less heinous just because someone identifies themselves with a particular group?

Can't wrap your head around the rationale of hate crime laws? Again.. go figure.

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Problem with many of you liberals, which I constantly point out on here, is that you get a templated image of someone stuck in your head and think they conform to a specific template.

Note that's also true of a lot of you conservatives

Wendy P.

Yep, but we are far less likely to ask for a special status.

What special status? Like being able to marry someone?

Nope. How about "hate crime legislation as an example? And we aren't just talking about homosexuality.

So your real beef is with hate crime legislation.. go figure.

I have no idea why you think that's what I meant in a broader context. But yes, I oppose any group that wants special laws passed just for them. Assault is assault. Murder is murder. Why is it any more or less heinous just because someone identifies themselves with a particular group?

Can't wrap your head around the rationale of hate crime laws? Again.. go figure.

Can't wrap your head around the idea that thoughts shouldn't be legislated in a free society? That murder is murder? No surprises there. Give them the gas chamber for the murder and then hang them for the "Hate Crime? You will never find acceptance as long as you want to be treated as different by society.

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Problem with many of you liberals, which I constantly point out on here, is that you get a templated image of someone stuck in your head and think they conform to a specific template.

Note that's also true of a lot of you conservatives

Wendy P.

Yep, but we are far less likely to ask for a special status.

What special status? Like being able to marry someone?

Nope. How about "hate crime legislation as an example? And we aren't just talking about homosexuality.

So your real beef is with hate crime legislation.. go figure.

I have no idea why you think that's what I meant in a broader context. But yes, I oppose any group that wants special laws passed just for them. Assault is assault. Murder is murder. Why is it any more or less heinous just because someone identifies themselves with a particular group?

Can't wrap your head around the rationale of hate crime laws? Again.. go figure.

Can't wrap your head around the idea that thoughts shouldn't be legislated in a free society? That murder is murder? No surprises there. Give them the gas chamber for the murder and then hang them for the "Hate Crime? You will never find acceptance as long as you want to be treated as different by society.

I hate to break it to you, but hate crimes don't apply to any one particular group. It's an added factor into the intent of a crime. Similar to the various "degrees" of murder, this has always been a consideration. So no, murder is not murder. I'm not sure what makes you think victims of hate crimes are being treated differently, but I can take a guess

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Apparently you have not a very good grasp on what a hate crime is. Get back to me once you figure it out.

Here's something to get you started:

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Hate crime laws in the United States protect against hate crimes (also known as bias crimes) motivated by enmity or animus against a protected class. Although state laws vary, current statutes permit federal prosecution of hate crimes committed on the basis of a person's protected characteristics of race, religion, ethnicity, nationality, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, and disability.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_crime_laws_in_the_United_States

Now go back and read what I said to Wendy.

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>Yep, but we are far less likely to ask for a special status.

Exactly. You never hear conservative Christians saying "the US was founded on Christian principles" or demanding, say, Christmas or Sundays off.

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Problem with many of you liberals, which I constantly point out on here, is that you get a templated image of someone stuck in your head and think they conform to a specific template.

There's some irony in here me thinks. btw, it's not your conservatism that makes me think you're a homophobe, it's your apparent homophobia that makes me think you're homophobe. But I could be wrong, though, maybe you're a beacon of homophiliac enlightenment, and maybe Coreece is a blonde chick named Candy.

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Just don't come to me expecting any special treatment.

The goal of the gay movement is to avoid special treatment. Some gays want a medal because they're homosexual, but the other 99% just want equal rights and just want to be left alone.

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Classic homosexuality, males, is considered the result of choices made when raised by a weak or absent father and a strong dominant mother or mother figure.

I never have understood the phobia aspect.

How old were you when you decided not to be a homosexual?

I hear that retort often and I admit it is catchy.

Here is the point. Human beings control their sexual activities. It is normal and natural for a male to seek sexual congress with a female. It does not require a decision. It is normal and natural development.

If a male seeks sexual congress with another male it is not normal and natural. Such behavior requires a rational decision process.

Now if a homosexual is truly born with abnormal and unnatural desires, isn't it the responsibility of society to help him get treatment?

Homosexuality tends to ruin professional careers when it is discovered. It effects the status of a blood donor. It does not procreate. The behavior does not benefit society.

Society is ready and willing to provide treatment for congenital birth defects, ADD and ADHD, autism, schizophrenia and other maladies. Why should homosexuality receive special exemption?

To the other lurkers, I have no vested interest in your sex life. I don't care who or what you have sex with. The exception is children under the legal age of consent.

The latter opens a big problem area with Muslims but that is another topic.

In my counseling career I had three clients that were homosexual and wanted to change. I had one desiring psychiatric admission to deal with his sorrow at the loss of his boyfriend. The unknown number of others did not discuss their homosexuality.

Professional ethics in counseling require the client to determine the issues to be dealt with not the counselor.

Psychiatrists diagnose, counselors guide.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.