RonD1120 62 #301 April 12, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuote I wonder what your fellow patriot guard riders would think if you told them your beliefs or only subtly different from those of the Westboro clan. In my tribe we discuss these differences all the time. Over 90% are Christian and several are ordained ministers. Isn't it a bit hypocritical to "protect" people from a group you mostly agree with? You don't seem to get my point and right now I don't know how to articulate it in a more satisfactory manner. We are dealing with the Satanic power of evil in our country. If a WBC member pickets a funeral I will step in front of him because I believe the WBC is wrong. If a gang banger attacks a WBC member while his picketing, I will defend the WBC member because the gang banger is wrong. The problem is not the WBC or the gang banger. It is the Satanic power of evil that is the enemy. That's about the best I can do at the moment.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #302 April 12, 2012 QuoteIt is the Satanic power of evil that is the enemy. Just call for Batman and pray he gets there on time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #303 April 12, 2012 QuoteAs a counselor most of my clients . . . I'm not really sure what your clients have to do with any of this. The fact that some homosexual people have sought counseling does not indicate that every homosexual person needs counseling. Just as not everyone who uses substances (many of the beer drinkers on here) do not need substance abuse counseling. QuoteThe homosexual lifestyle creates problems. Choices can be and are made all the time. One of the problems this lifestyle produces is the emergence of whacko groups like the Westboro Baptist Church. Black people create problems too. Their lifestyle has produced movements such as the KKK. (Hey, they could have chose to remain slaves, or at least to stay away from whitey.) Wow, Ron. I can't even be nice here. That was one of the stupidest statements I have ever seen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #304 April 12, 2012 Don't blame Ron, blame the Satanic power of evil. Sometimes the force is just too strong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #305 April 12, 2012 Spiritual warfare between whom and whom? Between you and gays? Between you and liberals (or at least what you think liberals are like)? Between "good" and "evil"? Between Jesus and everyone except you and the PGR? What? "It's spiritual warfare," is not a complete answer to, "do you agree with Westboro on all fundamental beliefs?" - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #306 April 12, 2012 Quote "It's spiritual warfare," is not a complete answer to, "do you agree with Westboro on all fundamental beliefs?" No http://www.godhatesfags.com/index.htmlLook for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #307 April 12, 2012 Quote Wow, Ron. I can't even be nice here. That was one of the stupidest statements I have ever seen. That's OK. I am free of the good opinions of others.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #308 April 12, 2012 QuoteQuoteIt is the Satanic power of evil that is the enemy. Just call for Batman and pray he gets there on time. 2 Corinthians 10:4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds,Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #309 April 12, 2012 Quote2 Corinthians Lets hope those two Corinthians weren't gay. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #310 April 12, 2012 Since those Corinthians were Greeks there's little chance they weren't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #311 April 12, 2012 Quote Quote 2 Corinthians Lets hope those two Corinthians weren't gay. Fat Chance!Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #312 April 12, 2012 QuoteThe homosexual lifestyle creates problems. Choices can be and are made all the time. One of the problems this lifestyle produces is the emergence of whacko groups like the Westboro Baptist Church. They picket and protest at military funerals, enhancing the grief of the family survivors. The reason they exist is because of the move in America to accept homosexual marriage and abortion. I ride with the Patriot Guard Riders to stand in a non-violent, non-confrontational buffer to protect these families from additional grief. A natural part of my thinking is, this problem would be less if the moral compass of my country was re-established and our course corrected. Wow, the Westboro Baptists are the gays' fault? Do you also believe women in short skirts are asking to be raped? The Westboro Baptists arose from two things...conservative Christian beliefs similar to your's, and an overwhelming desire for attention. If I had to pin responsibility for them on a larger group, it'd be evangelical christians, not the gay community. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #313 April 12, 2012 Paul speaking to the Corinthian Church: 1 Corinthians 5:1-2 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that even pagans do not tolerate: A man is sleeping with his father’s wife. And you are proud! Christianity has always been a work in progress...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #314 April 12, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteWow. You're very close to agreeing with the Westboro beliefs, if not their actions. I suggest some deeper reflection on your part. I suggest you examine the subtle difference. To most people the Westboro Baptist Church beliefs are very offensive and idiotic. If your belief structure is only subtly different from theirs, then I do indeed urge you to reflect a little deeper. I wonder what your fellow patriot guard riders would think if you told them your beliefs or only subtly different from those of the Westboro clan. I'm going to go out on a limb here and make a guess as to Ron's thought process. At a basic level, he agrees with the Westboro Baptist views on homosexuality, but he disagrees with their disruptive/hurtful displays at military funerals. Thus his problem is not with the message, but rather the stage on which they deliver it. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #315 April 12, 2012 Quote Wow, the Westboro Baptists are the gays' fault? Do you also believe women in short skirts are asking to be raped? The Westboro Baptists arose from two things...conservative Christian beliefs similar to your's, and an overwhelming desire for attention. If I had to pin responsibility for them on a larger group, it'd be evangelical christians, not the gay community. Blues, Dave You are missing the point, as were the others above. More study is required on your part. The concept at the moment is spiritual warfare.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #316 April 12, 2012 Quote The concept at the moment is spiritual warfare No. You're trying to disengage from the current topic (ie homosexuality and homophobia) and invent a BS concept of spiritual warfare. But, since you already laid out your twisted view on the initial subject, I can't really blame you. Go Westboro!!! Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #317 April 12, 2012 Quote I'm going to go out on a limb here and make a guess as to Ron's thought process. At a basic level, he agrees with the Westboro Baptist views on homosexuality, but he disagrees with their disruptive/hurtful displays at military funerals. Thus his problem is not with the message, but rather the stage on which they deliver it. Blues, Dave Not too bad for just typed words in cyberspace and no physical or body language cues. WBC completely misses and therefore perverts the Gospel. Namely, all sin can be forgiven. They do not forgive.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #318 April 12, 2012 Just curious, Ron, in your ideal American society, what would be the position of homosexuals in society? Apart for "in the closet" of course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #319 April 12, 2012 Quotein your ideal American society, what would be the position of homosexuals in society? Missionary...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #320 April 12, 2012 QuoteJust curious, Ron, in your ideal American society, what would be the position of homosexuals in society? Apart for "in the closet" of course. SinnersLook for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #321 April 12, 2012 I mean in the legal sense. What should their rights etcetera be according to you? I mean the group that doesn't respond Ex-gay counselling, or whatever that cure for gayness is called. @ Coreece: good one! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyMarko 1 #322 April 12, 2012 QuoteQuotein your ideal American society, what would be the position of homosexuals in society? Missionary... Doggy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #323 April 12, 2012 >The homosexual lifestyle creates problems. So does the heterosexual lifestyle. Indeed, so far the evidence says that if you are a child, you are much better off if you're with homosexual than with heterosexual parents. Heterosexual parents can get pregnant out of stupidity and lust, whereas homosexual parents have to be approved by either a doctor or the government. A while back, an anti-gay group (the National Association for Marriage) budgeted $120,000 to find a child willing to denounce their gay parents on camera. They failed. And yet you see children of straight parents denouncing their parents all the time on Jerry Springer. There's a lesson there. >One of the problems this lifestyle produces is the emergence of whacko >groups like the Westboro Baptist Church. They picket and protest at >military funerals, enhancing the grief of the family survivors. Yes. And they believe what you do about homosexuals. They're just a lot more rude about it. >The reason they exist is because of the move in America to accept >homosexual marriage and abortion. Yep. In the same way that rapists exist because of good looking women. Eventually, though, people like yourself and the Westboro Baptists will be replaced by a new generation of people who do not despise homosexuality, and will see it as no more immoral than interracial marriage. And the problem will disappear. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #324 April 12, 2012 QuoteI mean in the legal sense. What should their rights etcetera be according to you? I mean the group that doesn't respond Ex-gay counselling, or whatever that cure for gayness is called. @ Coreece: good one! I believe they should have the same legal rights as everyone else. Remember, I am a counselor not an attorney. I can only guide people who want to change. In my profession, I could only introduce faith issues that the client approved. As a Christian I can point out what the Bible states. What you or anyone else does is your choice and between you and God. In social services, that is forbidden unless the client brings it up.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #325 April 12, 2012 That's remarkable. First you paint a picture of gays as a group that's going to destroy American society, and then you claim they should have equal rights. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
