Will Obamacare be Ruled to be Constitutional?

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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These guys don't want that assistance. Just the free rides.

Really? These guys just like to be homeless and take free rides on ambulances?

[Gravitymaster 0]

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These guys don't want that assistance. Just the free rides.

Really? These guys just like to be homeless and take free rides on ambulances?

Why do you find that so hard to believe? Many cities have to go out in winter and try and get homeless people to shelters. A great many of them refuse even when the temperatures are going to be very low, preffering to sleep on a heating grate. You must be a real country boy to not know this.

[lawrocket 3]

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These guys don't want that assistance. Just the free rides.

Really? These guys just like to be homeless and take free rides on ambulances?

As much as it may be incomprehensible, yes. They have refused help. There are people in this world who are actually fine with being homeless.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[Gravitymaster 0]

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These guys don't want that assistance. Just the free rides.

Really? These guys just like to be homeless and take free rides on ambulances?

As much as it may be incomprehensible, yes. They have refused help. There are people in this world who are actually fine with being homeless.

Wait until they start fining and jailing homeless people for not signing up for Obamacare.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Why do you find that so hard to believe? Many cities have to go out in winter and try and get homeless people to shelters. A great many of them refuse even when the temperatures are going to be very low, preffering to sleep on a heating grate. You must be a real country boy to not know this.

There is a difference between somebody prefering to be homeless and somebody going on 700 ambulance rides.

You may also be shocked to find that many homeless prefer to stay on the streets due to the thefts, altercations, rapes that go on in some of the shelters. However hard it may be to believe, they feel significantly safer on the streets.

Taking 700 rides on an ambulance shows they are looking for attention/shelter. May also indicate some emntal disorders, which is very common amongst the homeless population.

[Gravitymaster 0]

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Why do you find that so hard to believe? Many cities have to go out in winter and try and get homeless people to shelters. A great many of them refuse even when the temperatures are going to be very low, preffering to sleep on a heating grate. You must be a real country boy to not know this.

There is a difference between somebody prefering to be homeless and somebody going on 700 ambulance rides.

You may also be shocked to find that many homeless prefer to stay on the streets due to the thefts, altercations, rapes that go on in some of the shelters. However hard it may be to believe, they feel significantly safer on the streets.

Taking 700 rides on an ambulance shows they are looking for attention/shelter. May also indicate some emntal disorders, which is very common amongst the homeless population.

Sure, all of that is possible and I'm sure a lot of it is true. However, who are we to try and force them to seek help if they don't want it?

[DaVinci 0]

It should not be allowed to stand. If we allow the Govt to force us to buy a commercial product.... Where does that line stop?

Can the Govt mandate that you buy a fire extinguisher or pay a fine?

To those that think it should stand.... What is your *Constitutional* backing of that? I am not talking about the emotional "What are you going to let the poor die!" But your LEGAL reasons why you think the Govt can mandate that you buy a private product.

And then I would like you to tell me where you think that line stops. Can the govt make you buy a cell phone? Cable TV? A car?

[Gravitymaster 0]

Good points. That's why I started this thread. I have yet to recieve what I believe is a valid Constitutional reason as to why this should become law.

[lawrocket 3]

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Taking 700 rides on an ambulance shows they are looking for attention/shelter.

I disagree. Do you know that there are people out there who are just plain assholes? There are people in this world who will take the life savings of dozens of people - thousands of people - just because they can?

There are people who do things for no other reason than they can. It's against the law for these homeless guys to do this. They can be arrested, but then they'll be released as non-violent offenders due to overcrowding and be right back at it.

There are guys out there who beat their wives. Why? Because they can. They abuse children - because they can. They shoplift - because they can. They set fires and vandalize because they can.

And there are people who call for ambulance rides because they can.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[kelpdiver 2]

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Wait until they start fining and jailing homeless people for not signing up for Obamacare.

I'm just excited at the thought that we can force them to get showered up for their own good. Surely that's for their own good, even more so that broccoli. Tired of walking past their stench wake.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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There are people in this world who will take the life savings of dozens of people - thousands of people - just because they can?

Yup, we call them lawyers

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It's against the law for these homeless guys to do this. They can be arrested, but then they'll be released as non-violent offenders due to overcrowding and be right back at it.

So it is not a Health Care issue, it is a Justice issue.

[grimmie 186]

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It should not be allowed to stand. If we allow the Govt to force us to buy a commercial product.... Where does that line stop?

Can the Govt mandate that you buy a fire extinguisher or pay a fine?

To those that think it should stand.... What is your *Constitutional* backing of that? I am not talking about the emotional "What are you going to let the poor die!" But your LEGAL reasons why you think the Govt can mandate that you buy a private product.

And then I would like you to tell me where you think that line stops. Can the govt make you buy a cell phone? Cable TV? A car?

The government forces a business to purchase a fire extinguisher.

The government forces individuals to purchase car insurance.

The government forces parents to buy car seats for children.

[DaVinci 0]

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The government forces a business to purchase a fire extinguisher.

A business is not an individual. We are talking about individuals.

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The government forces individuals to purchase car insurance.

1. Not if they don't own a car.
2. There is no penalty for not buying car insurance.
3. Last I checked this was a STATE requirement, not a FEDERAL law.

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The government forces parents to buy car seats for children.

1. Not if they don't have a car
2. not if they don't have kids

You also skipped these parts:
1. What is your *Constitutional* backing of that? Your LEGAL reasons why you think the Govt can mandate that you buy a private product.

2. I would like you to tell me where you think that line stops. Can the govt make you buy a cell phone? Cable TV? A car?

[grimmie 186]

Where is their Constitional power in requiring the forementioned items?

[DaVinci 0]

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Where is their Constitional power in requiring the forementioned items?

1. The business needing a fire extinguisher.... State and local laws, not federal and not an individual.

2. Car insurance... Not Federal and not required if you don't have a car

3. Child safety belts.... Not Federal and not required if you do not have a car.

I'll ask again:
1. What is your *Constitutional* backing of that? Your LEGAL reasons why you think the Govt can mandate that you buy a private product.

2. I would like you to tell me where you think that line stops. Can the govt make you buy a cell phone? Cable TV? A car?

[kallend 2,182]

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The government forces a business to purchase a fire extinguisher.

A business is not an individual.

Justice Alito says it is.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[grimmie 186]

Think about this scenario.
Joe Billionaire has enough money to cover the expense of his limo if it crashes. He can buy 10 more fancy cars if he crashes, cash. He has enough money to buy a hospital if he injures another party in a crash. Insurance is a waste of money to him.

Why does the government mandate him to buy auto insurance? Where is their constitional power?

[DaVinci 0]

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Justice Alito says it is.

And Roberts says Broccoli and HC insurance are the same thing. Does that mean it is true?

[DaVinci 0]

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Think about this scenario.
Joe Billionaire has enough money to cover the expense of his limo if it crashes. He can buy 10 more fancy cars if he crashes, cash. He has enough money to buy a hospital if he injures another party in a crash. Insurance is a waste of money to him.

Why does the government mandate him to buy auto insurance? Where is their constitional power?

Again:
1. It is a STATE law in most cases, not FEDERAL.
2. You can drive in many States without car insurance... Perfectly legal

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In Ohio, for example, you can get by with proof of financial responsibility. How do you get that? You can buy a $30,000 bond from an authorized surety company, or you can simply deposit $30,000 with the state treasurer.

In South Carolina, you can pay a $550 fee to the state for a certificate of uninsured registration--every year. And be prepared to pay for any damage or injuries you cause, of course.

You can drive without liability insurance in New Hampshire, too. If you happen to hit someone, you'll need to post a "financial responsibility bond" on the spot to cover the damage. And you won't be able to leave the state, because its neighbors do require a policy.

Read more: http://www.foxbusiness.com/personal-finance/2011/11/09/can-drive-without-car-insurance/#ixzz1qX9gmToj

Also, where is the penalty if you don't?

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one in seven motorists hits the highway with no way to cover the costs of an accident

Where is the penalty?

Finally, do you claim you have to buy insurance even if you don't have a car?

I'll ask again:
1. What is your *Constitutional* backing of that? Your LEGAL reasons why you think the Govt can mandate that you buy a private product.

2. I would like you to tell me where you think that line stops. Can the govt make you buy a cell phone? Cable TV? A car?

[grimmie 186]

So if ACA was passed on a state by state basis, it would be constitutional?

[kelpdiver 2]

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Think about this scenario.
Joe Billionaire has enough money to cover the expense of his limo if it crashes. He can buy 10 more fancy cars if he crashes, cash. He has enough money to buy a hospital if he injures another party in a crash. Insurance is a waste of money to him.

Why does the government mandate him to buy auto insurance? Where is their constitional power?

state matter. In the case of CA, you can post a bond -think it's 50k - in lieu of insurance.

[Gravitymaster 0]

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So if ACA was passed on a state by state basis, it would be constitutional?

If Obamacare is held to be unconstitutional, it will validate Romneys claim that it is different for a state to pass a mandate as opposed to the Federal Govt. doing it. It will also be a huge boost for Romney politically.

[kallend 2,182]

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Justice Alito says it is.

And Roberts says Broccoli and HC insurance are the same thing. Does that mean it is true?

Umm, NO, he didn't say that at all. Did you learn to read with mnealtx?

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[mnealtx 0]

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Justice Alito says it is.

And Roberts says Broccoli and HC insurance are the same thing. Does that mean it is true?

Umm, NO, he didn't say that at all.

True - it was Scalia: "Scalia: "Could you define the market -- everybody has to buy food sooner or later, so you define the market as food, therefore, everybody is in the market; therefore, you can make people buy broccoli."

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Did you learn to read with mnealtx?

Did you learn logic and comprehension with rhys?

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[Gravitymaster 0]

We will all eventually die and need to be buried somewhere or otherwise incur some related expense. Does the government have the right to force you to purchase a cemetary plot or prepay for cremation if that's your choice?