billvon 3,132 #26 March 27, 2012 I find it interesting how many people feel they have to edit the story to their own liking before providing an answer to it. It's interesting to compare that to what's happening in the other thread, where people on both sides are imagining all sorts of things that skew the situation to one they are comfortable with. It's also interesting how the related teen shooting issue has broken down almost perfectly along political lines, and that they are maintained in this scenario. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #27 March 27, 2012 QuoteI find it interesting how many people feel they have to edit the story to their own liking before providing an answer to it. That's because your scenario is nothing like the Zimmerman case you attempt to parody. QuoteIt's also interesting how the related teen shooting issue has broken down almost perfectly along political lines, and that they are maintained in this scenario. Yeah, the same folks portray gun owners as willing to kill for any reason in both threads....it's a shocker, I know.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #28 March 27, 2012 What do you expect? The case is incomplete, people are gonna fill in the missing details with whatever they want.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #29 March 27, 2012 >That's because your scenario is nothing like the Zimmerman case. Exactly. It is certainly not identical. Yet people feel the need to change it to defend their position on another killing. Interesting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #30 March 27, 2012 >What do you expect? The case is incomplete, people are gonna fill in the missing >details with whatever they want. Yep - and that's happening to some degree on this thread, and to a much larger degree on the Zimmerman thread. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #31 March 27, 2012 Too bad Al's wife didn't have a gun. She might be alive if she did. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #32 March 27, 2012 >Too bad Al's wife didn't have a gun. She might be alive if she did. In that case would she be innocent of murder/manslaughter? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #33 March 27, 2012 Quote>Too bad Al's wife didn't have a gun. She might be alive if she did. In that case would she be innocent of murder/manslaughter? Depends on how much money she has to hire a lawyer. I would suggest OJ Simpson's lawyers. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #34 March 27, 2012 >Depends on how much money she has to hire a lawyer. Probably true. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #35 March 27, 2012 QuoteQuote>Too bad Al's wife didn't have a gun. She might be alive if she did. In that case would she be innocent of murder/manslaughter? Depends on how much money she has to hire a lawyer. I would suggest OJ Simpson's lawyers. I think they're all gone due to an untimely death...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mirage62 0 #36 March 27, 2012 Quote It's also interesting how the related teen shooting issue has broken down almost perfectly along political lines, and that they are maintained in this scenario. Whats so interesting about that Bill? For years thats the way it has been here. (SC) There are a few "new names" they will dissapppear and be replaced. But over all nothing different. Zimmerman seems a fool, and Martin is turning out to not be a perfect little angle. It appears they both made a mistakes - that doesn't mean Martin should have been killed.Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #37 March 27, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuote>Too bad Al's wife didn't have a gun. She might be alive if she did. In that case would she be innocent of murder/manslaughter? Depends on how much money she has to hire a lawyer. I would suggest OJ Simpson's lawyers. I think they're all gone due to an untimely death... Really? Bob Shapiro and F. Lee Bailey are still alive. Johnny Cochran lived for about 10 years after the trial and died of cancer at age 67. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,602 #38 March 27, 2012 QuoteZimmerman seems a fool, and Martin is turning out to not be a perfect little angle. It appears they both made a mistakes - that doesn't mean Martin should have been killed.I'm sorry -- you have to pick an ideological side and torture the facts to support it. Didn't you get the memo? Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #39 March 27, 2012 I didn't think moderators were granted trolling privileges.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #40 March 27, 2012 Damnit, what was I thinkin' about then? Oh ya...some rumor about a curse. My bad. Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #41 March 27, 2012 QuoteI find it interesting how many people feel they have to edit the story to their own liking before providing an answer to it. It's interesting to compare that to what's happening in the other thread, where people on both sides are imagining all sorts of things that skew the situation to one they are comfortable with. I find it interesting that you decided to author your scenario in the way that you did. Single scenario with a skewed fact pattern that deliberatly ommited other available and conflicting facts. Why not multiple scenarios that consider all of the different conflicting facts/statements of the real event that you are trying to make a parody from? Come up with a multitude of scenarios and present them as a package and I will comment on each of them. I don't want to judge Zimmerman innocent or guilty, that is what a Grand Jury is for. The being said if some one is going to jump the gun and rule him guilty using only facts that agree to their conclusion, I am going to jump in there with the conflicting claims and facts. I would agree that it is a absolute shame that some young man lost his life. I would agree that it is a absolute shame that a mother and father lost their son. I would agree that it is a shame that the shooters life is permanently altered regardless of legal outcome. I would agree that it would have been better if Zimmerman never started the chain of events, but that alone doesn't make him guilty. I will finally agree that there are far too many conflicting claims to play judge and jury and label him guilty or innocent."The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #42 March 27, 2012 QuoteI didn't think moderators were granted trolling privileges. Matthew 7:4. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #43 March 27, 2012 QuoteQuoteI didn't think moderators were granted trolling privileges. Matthew 7:4. Who me?Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #44 March 27, 2012 >Whats so interesting about that Bill? Because I don't know what forces it to break down this way. Is it racial? Is it that republicans are going to support the non-black guy? Is it the gun angle? Is it a given that republicans support the guy with the gun, and democrats support the guy without? Is it the drug thing? Probably not since no drugs were found on either one and it wasn't an issue until the leaks started. Is it the neighborhood watch thing? Do republicans support that and democrats not? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #45 March 27, 2012 I have been curiously watching this story. It's a tragic story, but there is a tragic death happening every minute in the world. And, while, this one obviously has some unanswered questions (as probably many unheard stories do), it has escalated into practically dividing the country into taking sides even though the actual situation that took place is unclear. I think the big parts are the racial aspect (and I must say, I thought Obama's "son" comment was an irresponsible comment for the President to make in the situation), and the gun control aspect. But again, there are racially-motivated crimes every day (not that we even know if this is one of them), and there are crimes that bring gun laws into question every day. I don't know. I guess it was just the right story to catch the public's attention during a politically hot moment??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #46 March 27, 2012 Quote>That's because your scenario is nothing like the Zimmerman case. Exactly. It is certainly not identical. Yet people feel the need to change it to defend their position on another killing. Interesting. It's the same reason why you edited the details. Your version was very deliberate and you knew the reaction it would garner. Why pretend to be shocked by it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #47 March 27, 2012 >It's the same reason why you edited the details. It would certainly have been a pointless thread if I repeated what is known about the Zimmerman case, since there is another thread dedicated to that. >Why pretend to be shocked by it? I'm not. I do find the replies interesting. Imagine asking a question about AAD usage after a fatality, and then seeing people refuse to answer it without the qualifier "only if I were unconscious would I . . . ." That would indicate something about how they felt about the issue of incapacity vs inattention - even if the details of your question did not exactly match the fatality. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #48 March 27, 2012 quoting Hamlet, "The lady doth protest too much, methinks." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #49 March 27, 2012 Quote>Too bad Al's wife didn't have a gun. She might be alive if she did. In that case would she be innocent of murder/manslaughter? neither, the GUN kills, not the person - everyone knows that ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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