tkhayes 348 #1 March 26, 2012 http://news.yahoo.com/pa-abuse-trial-window-church-practices-161036032.html Yes it's about time. Shameful and disgraceful. 28 years in prison is not enough for 'conspiracy'. When are people going to wake up and face the music that the Catholic church is a criminal organization? Denial for decades. The authorities have been investigating child abuse in the church in Newfoundland since the 70's. Even now, all over the world, the 'denials' still come out when new cases are uncovered (and then apparently covered up). In Newfoundland, no one (the law) had the balls to even go after the church. They turned the complaints back over to the RCC to deal with. It took many more years for it to be taken seriously. Even with those cases in the 80's, the RCC denied everything else and buried it all over the world and is still actively doing so today. It's about time for this too: http://ffrf.org/news/releases/nyt-ad/ and the actual ad (which i think was tremendous) and yet had nothing to do with child abuse: http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2012/03/09/ffrf-tells-catholics-its-time-to-leave-the-church/ Wake up Catholics, your church is a haven for child molesters - you've been duped. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,439 #2 March 26, 2012 All Catholics belong to a criminal organization. Bigun is a Catholic. Therefore, Bigun is a criminal? You seem very intent on going after the Catholic Church for some reason. This is about your third missive on the subject. Are you a pissed-off former Catholic or sumpin? You can pick just about any organization and peel back a few layers and find that someone or some folks did something wrong (Check out Congress). Now, the good news in all of this is that it's been mostly Catholics rallying the charge against these child offenders. Are they bad people too? And, it would appear that no matter their age and the statute of limitations... there's a reckoning a'comin. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,117 #3 March 26, 2012 Quote All Catholics belong to a criminal organization. Bigun is a Catholic. Therefore, Bigun is a criminal? You seem very intent on going after the Catholic Church for some reason. This is about your third missive on the subject. Are you a pissed-off former Catholic or sumpin? You can pick just about any organization and peel back a few layers and find that someone or some folks did something wrong (Check out Congress). Now, the good news in all of this is that it's been mostly Catholics rallying the charge against these child offenders. Are they bad people too? And, it would appear that no matter their age and the statute of limitations... there's a reckoning a'comin. When the Pope himself gives the green light to helping Nazi war criminals escape justice, it does cast a negative light on the entire organization. Ditto when the Catholic hierarchy covers up the pedophilia in its own ranks. Problems in Ireland are surfacing after decades of denial and cover-up: www.irishcentral.com/news/Dublin-bishop-felt-abandoned-as-he-tried-to-tackle-abuse-scandal-in-capital-135849218.html www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-57390125/the-archbishop-of-dublin-challenges-the-church/... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,439 #4 March 26, 2012 When the Pope himself gives the green light to helping Nazi war criminals escape justice, it does cast a negative light on the entire organization. ----- Well, let's not forget the Red Cross' involvement and collusion in the matter also. Ditto when the Catholic hierarchy covers up the pedophilia in its own ranks ---- Not making an excuse for it, because they should have been charged... I'm glad to see some serious charges being filed.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #5 March 26, 2012 QuoteProblems in Ireland are surfacing after decades of denial and cover-up: And it is the arch bishop of the catholic church who is doing a lot of the leg work.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,117 #6 March 26, 2012 QuoteQuoteProblems in Ireland are surfacing after decades of denial and cover-up: And it is the arch bishop of the catholic church who is doing a lot of the leg work.... Indeed, and he is being shunned by his colleagues on account of it.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #7 March 26, 2012 Wow, would almost make you think there are good members and bad members of the catholic clergy..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,117 #8 March 27, 2012 QuoteWow, would almost make you think there are good members and bad members of the catholic clergy..... The cover ups come from the top. Helping Nazi war criminals escape was policy from the top.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,571 #9 March 27, 2012 QuoteYou seem very intent on going after the Catholic Church for some reason. It's probably the systematic, institutional enablement of child abuse. QuoteYou can pick just about any organization and peel back a few layers and find that someone or some folks did something wrong Or you can pick the catholic church, and find the management, up to at least the college of cardinals, doing everything they can to protect those folks for the good of the organisation's reputation, even if it means allowing them to keep doing things wrong. And by wrong, I mean raping children. QuoteNow, the good news in all of this is that it's been mostly Catholics rallying the charge against these child offenders. No it hasn't.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmytavino 16 #10 March 27, 2012 i often thought that one way the churchs' hands get tied,, could be due to the very structure of the hierarchy in the first place.... due to "the sanctity of the confessional" if a sinner priest was smart enough to declare his "sin" IN the confessional... TO his superior,, or the pastor.... wouldn't that mean that the pastor or the monsignor or hell even the Bishop be Bound to remain silent and NOT betray that confession????? Thus the perpetrator effectively silences the very person who would be charged with "doing something" about such unacceptable behaviors... just wondering........<<< Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #11 March 27, 2012 QuoteAll Catholics belong to a criminal organization. Bigun is a Catholic. Therefore, Bigun is a criminal? I never said any such thing. Try reading it again. Nice try though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #12 March 27, 2012 QuoteWow, would almost make you think there are good members and bad members of the catholic clergy..... Of course, and I think it's safe to assume that the great majority of catholic clergy knew what happened and did nothing. I would be surprised if more than 10% of the catholic clergy was completely innocent. By this I mean that they didn't know or that they did know and tried to do/did something to end it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #13 March 27, 2012 Quote Now, the good news in all of this is that it's been mostly Catholics rallying the charge against these child offenders. You could be right about that. Are there statistics about what percentage of victims stay Catholic after being raped by a priest? I bet a lot of them, because it's a bitch to officially become an ex-member of the catholic church. However, they're not rallying against the child rapists and those that facilitated them because they're catholic, but because they're victims. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #14 March 27, 2012 QuoteThe cover ups come from the top. Helping Nazi war criminals escape was policy from the top. An Arch Bishop is pretty close to the top. Helping Nazi war criminals escape is despicable. Just as despicable as helping finance Nazis. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #15 March 27, 2012 QuoteQuoteThe cover ups come from the top. Helping Nazi war criminals escape was policy from the top. An Arch Bishop is pretty close to the top. Helping Nazi war criminals escape is despicable. Just as despicable as helping finance Nazis. Or as in what Churchill did turning a blind eye to growing atrocities in order to motivate allied assistance. ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #16 March 27, 2012 Quotei often thought that one way the churchs' hands get tied,, could be due to the very structure of the hierarchy in the first place.... due to "the sanctity of the confessional" if a sinner priest was smart enough to declare his "sin" IN the confessional... TO his superior,, or the pastor.... wouldn't that mean that the pastor or the monsignor or hell even the Bishop be Bound to remain silent and NOT betray that confession????? Thus the perpetrator effectively silences the very person who would be charged with "doing something" about such unacceptable behaviors... just wondering........<<< Jimmy, I respectfully suggest your personal natural goodness-of-heart is motivating you into some wishful thinking. But, OK; let's say, for the sake of discussion, that you're right. All that (hypothetically) does is insulate the father-confessor from liability for failure to disclose the penitent-offender's confession to the police. It does not shield the church or its hierarchical clergy from liability for systematically moving molesters from one location to another, where they would be likely to attack children again, or for the widespread, institutionalized conspiracy to obstruct justice. So no, the sanctity of the confessional is not the shield that some in the well-intended laity might think it would be. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #17 March 27, 2012 If you have time, would you please respond to Southern_Man's question in the Fla Teen Shot topic? Thanks. Ron http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4293713#4293713Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #18 March 27, 2012 QuoteIf you have time, would you please respond to Southern_Man's question in the Fla Teen Shot topic? Thanks. Ron http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4293713#4293713 Done. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #19 March 27, 2012 QuoteQuoteIf you have time, would you please respond to Southern_Man's question in the Fla Teen Shot topic? Thanks. Ron http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4293713#4293713 Done. Thank you.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,117 #20 March 28, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteThe cover ups come from the top. Helping Nazi war criminals escape was policy from the top. An Arch Bishop is pretty close to the top. Helping Nazi war criminals escape is despicable. Just as despicable as helping finance Nazis. Or as in what Churchill did turning a blind eye to growing atrocities in order to motivate allied assistance. Prioritizing the many Nazi atrocities that had to be dealt with is NOT in the same league as facilitating those atrocities.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #21 March 28, 2012 OTOH, the holocaust was the cherry on the pie of roughly 2 millennia catholic anti-Semitism. It would have been a shitty thing to let the people down who finished what they started so long ago. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
