Florida Teen Shot

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Reading many of those stories, it looks like the defense threw SYG out there in misguided attempts to get the charges dropped. While I didn't read the gangbanger drug one, since SYG explicitly *denies* the defense when a crime is being committed by the actor it shouldn't count, anyway.

That one would be pretty easy to envision.

Deal takes place, drugs are handed over and money has exchanged hands. The criminal process has now been completed.

Any aggressive behaviour taking place directly after that is no longer part of the criminal activity and SYG applies.

(obviously it could also take place prior to money and drugs exchanging hands and the same would apply)

[tkhayes 348]

I doubt it could ever be a racial crime - it's a 'waanabee cop' crime.

Z is a douchebag, like i said, and now his wife is a douchebag too.

http://news.yahoo.com/george-zimmermans-wife-arrested-perjury-charge-205648308--abc-news-topstories.html

I bet she bonded out with all that money they did not tell the courts they had

[normiss 897]

Meh.
It's a misdemeanor.

Stupid as fuck to transfer that much money and then tell a judge you have none.

[GeorgiaDon 380]

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Meh.
It's a misdemeanor.

Stupid as fuck to transfer that much money and then tell a judge you have none.

From what I saw on the news last night, she's a nurse, in Florida nurses have to be licensed, and a conviction will make her unlicensable. Big consequences, life-changing in fact, even if she doesn't do a day in jail.

It's never a good idea to lie to the court, especially about things like this.

Don

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Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996)
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[normiss 897]

A misdemeanor 'conviction' on a clean record means very little.

[Gravitymaster 0]

I don't seem to recall left-wingers being this upset when Clinton perjured himself.

[kelpdiver 2]

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I doubt it could ever be a racial crime - it's a 'waanabee cop' crime.

Z is a douchebag, like i said, and now his wife is a douchebag too.

http://news.yahoo.com/george-zimmermans-wife-arrested-perjury-charge-205648308--abc-news-topstories.html

I bet she bonded out with all that money they did not tell the courts they had

the hate in you is so strong.

Looks like the DA will get one conviction now. I guess that will let her save a minimum of face, even if it's basically the equivalent to getting Ollie North on "Lying to Congress."

[DanG 1]

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I don't seem to recall left-wingers being this upset when Clinton perjured himself.

And I don't recall right wingers claiming that lying under oath was no big deal then either.

- Dan G

[normiss 897]

It might be curious to see the legalities here - the state attorney that filed the charge is out of her jurisdiction according to some local attorneys.
Supposedly because she was only given rights by the governor to handle the Trayvon Martin killing and this would have to be filed by the local county DA.
This whole thing is just crazy.

[dks13827 3]

Zimmerman merely asked Martin if he had business being there, then walked away and was then attacked. ( by the same 'angel' who had attacked a bus driver not many days before. )
If my neighborhood was suffering a rash of crime, I might have done the same..... although now, I am not sure just what I could safely do.

[Gravitymaster 0]

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I don't seem to recall left-wingers being this upset when Clinton perjured himself.

And I don't recall right wingers claiming that lying under oath was no big deal then either.

So you see no difference in a President, involved in a sexual harrassment lawsuit, lying about a material fact that would have an effect on his guilt or innocence and the wife of a guy charged with 2nd degree murder, lying about how much money they have in the bank? Seriously?

[Shotgun 1]

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Zimmerman merely asked Martin if he had business being there, then walked away and was then attacked.

And you know this how?

[GeorgiaDon 380]

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Zimmerman merely asked Martin if he had business being there, then walked away and was then attacked.

And you know this how?

I suspect there was a boogie going on, from the number of skydivers who were apparently eyewitnesses.

Don

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Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996)
“Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats)

[Shotgun 1]

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I suspect there was a boogie going on, from the number of skydivers who were apparently eyewitnesses.

[normiss 897]

[DanG 1]

Perjury is perjury. She perjured herself. Period. So did Clinton, although I would argue that Clinton should not have been forced to testify against himself in the first place. Either way, why is lying about a BJ different from lying about a bank account?

I thought is was you right-wingers who were supposed to believe in moral absolutism.

- Dan G

[billvon 3,119]

>I thought is was you right-wingers who were supposed to believe in moral absolutism.

They do - unless it's someone they support. Then there are a great many details that make the crime not as heinous. Oh, and the media.

[kelpdiver 2]

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So you see no difference in a President, involved in a sexual harrassment lawsuit, lying about a material fact that would have an effect on his guilt or innocence and the wife of a guy charged with 2nd degree murder, lying about how much money they have in the bank? Seriously?

well, when you put it that way...

one involves murder and the other involved the emotional distress of seeing a governor exposing himself. Not quite the same, is it?

The potential of hording of cash for an accused murderer who might use it to run is certainly a serious concern. We've gone well clear of the initial tale of an independent holding account for legal expenses.

[winsor 236]

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Perjury is perjury. She perjured herself. Period. So did Clinton, although I would argue that Clinton should not have been forced to testify against himself in the first place. Either way, why is lying about a BJ different from lying about a bank account?

I thought is was you right-wingers who were supposed to believe in moral absolutism.

Perjury is perjury.

If the money was in the care of a third party, with no way it could be spent on anything but attorney's fees and so forth, accounting for everything else is okay.

If the Zs had control over the funds, she committed perjury. That was an IQ test, and she flunked.

I found the whole deal with Paula Jones to be farcical. Did he try to play 'hide the salami' with her? Bank on it. Did he pay much attention to her when she turned him down? Not a chance; he was focused on the others in line who were more than happy to go along with his game plan.

If his answer under oath was to the effect that she proved her claim to be able to suck the chrome off a trailer hitch, they would have no basis for impeachment.

Oddly enough, one of his dodges was to claim immunity by being subject to the UCMJ as Commander in Chief. As a civilian, he can legally make niknik with pretty much anyone he wants. In the military, however, the severity of sanctions against adultery goes up with rank - where a Private will get an Article 15, a General will get cashiered.

Anyhow, I am not any more in favor of reprehensible actions by people I like than by those I do not. I prefer to avoid contact with liars of any stripe, if possible.


BSBD,

Winsor

[rushmc 23]

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Perjury is perjury. She perjured herself. Period. So did Clinton, although I would argue that Clinton should not have been forced to testify against himself in the first place. Either way, why is lying about a BJ different from lying about a bank account?

I thought is was you right-wingers who were supposed to believe in moral absolutism.

Lied about a bj?

You have no idea what you are taking about

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[tkhayes 348]

no because the country does not actually carer about someone lying about a blowjob - nor should they.

Now lying about why you killed someone? That MIGHT be a little different.

The difference between the two situations is an order of magnitude. unless of course you are a right winger with a perfect record on all aspects of your life......

[tkhayes 348]

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Perjury is perjury.

if you are a purist and an ideologue.

but in the real world - it is not.

[tkhayes 348]

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the hate in you is so strong.

where and when? - you have no idea about anything about me.

I have asked for nothing more than Z gets arrested, charged and jury decides his fate. Show me where I have asked for anything more. He is arrested and i could honestly care less about his outcome. The bigger problem is the flawed SYG law in Fl.

I have also stated that he has/had a clear cut case of self-defense if he just did what the court said and shut the fuck up. Which he has failed to do, and therefore is a douchebag.

innocent people do not have a reason to lie, nor do they have a reason to lie to the courts. These people are a joke and with the cash they have flowing in, I cannot believe they cannot afford better counsel to protect them from themselves.

You can be innocent and still fuck up, yes, I realize that, but that makes you a douchebag....

[kelpdiver 2]

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the hate in you is so strong.

where and when? - you have no idea about anything about me.

I have asked for nothing more than Z gets arrested, charged and jury decides his fate.

bald faced lies. You already convicted him in your mind, and take considerable glee in any misfortune that occurs to him or anyone around him. No collateral damage is too much. And no evidence will ever change your viewpoint.

[tkhayes 348]

liar liar pants on fire.....

communication when writing actually takes two parties to complete. It takes one to write clearly and one to actually comprehend what the writer is saying.

too bad you missed it.