Andy9o8 2 #26 March 11, 2012 you don't have to defend yourself, just because that's their diversionary tactic. your original post has stand alone merit in its own right. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
texascrw 1 #27 March 11, 2012 Nice twist on words. I can see why you chose your profession. No one said anything about British troops getting out of line. I was referring to the acts committed by both civilian sides in the conflict. Mainly to each other, and any innocent bystanders that happened to be in the wrong place, at the wrong time. Like walking down the street, or coming out of a movie theatre. And Skyrad is entitiled to say anything he wants. And, Perry Mason, please stick to what people really say. No one is going to be impressed with your courtroom antics of twisting their words around. And if Skyrad and I are embarrassing ourselves, according to you, that shouldn't concern you. We're happy to entertain you. Maybe we are just ordinary guys, lacking your education and razor sharp wit, honed by many years in the courtroom. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #28 March 11, 2012 you're also using the childish tactic of personal insult, first against Skyrad and now against me. Oh, I'm so hurt. when you're ready to have an adult discussion, let us know. until then, talk to the hand. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
texascrw 1 #29 March 11, 2012 There are no easy answers, or solutions, to situations like this. The more British officers told me about it, the happier I was that my war was in the African bush. Much simpler. I suppose I should run this by Andy first. Just to make sure I'm not embarrassing myself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #30 March 11, 2012 Stuff like this may do more to end the war(s) that any level of political wrangling. Reason number 351 to end the wars and bring everyone home......everyone. Shut it the fuck down. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
devildog 0 #31 March 11, 2012 QuoteSo because Brit troops committed atrocities in the 70s that disqualifies Skyrad from criticizing US troops in 2012? What a childish approach to the debate. If you're not ready for the Bigs, stay off the sandlot. You two are embarrassing yourselves. This place is hardly the "Bigs."You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #32 March 11, 2012 Quote lacking your education and razor sharp wit, LOL, speak for yourself When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #33 March 11, 2012 Quote Oh, I'm so hurt. when you're ready to have an adult discussion, let us know. until then, talk to the hand. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #34 March 11, 2012 True on both counts, they went lower prior to 2005 as well, through the numerous complaints. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #35 March 11, 2012 QuoteNow, when we actually have decent facts about the incident that sparked your thread, we may learn what happened, we may learn there was a prior incident that sparked this. We may learn that there was an enemy who was engaged and fled into the civilians homes. We'll probably learn that a piece of human waste killed 9 kiddies and 6 other people because he thought it was a good idea at the time. Just make sure that thing never gets out of prison again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mpohl 1 #36 March 11, 2012 Even better, just drop off this USeless Army Staff Sergeant in the Afghan village at sunset. Come back to collect his remains an hour later. Make sure to wash, rinse, and repeat up the command chain, to the highest level! WH included!!! P.S.: And maybe ultimately, let's send over some of the GOP voters (war mongers) from KS, GA, FL, etc. They need to experience their own "medicine", too!!! QuoteQuoteNow, when we actually have decent facts about the incident that sparked your thread, we may learn what happened, we may learn there was a prior incident that sparked this. We may learn that there was an enemy who was engaged and fled into the civilians homes. We'll probably learn that a piece of human waste killed 9 kiddies and 6 other people because he thought it was a good idea at the time. Just make sure that thing never gets out of prison again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #37 March 12, 2012 QuoteI wonder what you would say if hoards of Christians went on a murderous killing spree because someone burned a Bible? Assuming the question came from students in an 8th grade Social Studies class, which is about the level of discourse this question typifies, I'd say all those troops from that predominantly non-Christian country should declare victory after 10 years and get the fuck out of their country. It's said that fish and house guests begin to stink after about 3 days. The shelf life of armies of occupation really isn't much longer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #38 March 12, 2012 Not that I would regret it much if this POS would die in an unfortunate accident involving lots of honey, some pickets and rope and an anthill, but technically I'm against cruel and unusual punishment. It is however an interesting idea to see if he should be tried under Afghan law I think. I'm sure that there are factors that contributed to this massacre like stress and stuff, but in the end the main reason for this atrocity is most probably the fact that this guy is a psychopathic sicko. I find it kind of peculiar that people try to redeem hm, especially here on SC were people are crucified over their political believes and lesser "crimes". Come on the guy slaughtered 16 people in cold blood, if there ever was a time to get the (proverbial) hammer and nails out, it's now I think. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 891 #39 March 12, 2012 The military leadership needs to turn this POS over to the Afgans for trial. If they let him live, the US military should prosecute him after they let him loose. Military execution - his choice - hanging or firing squad. Says the guy that doesn't support the DP. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #40 March 12, 2012 QuoteQuoteNow, when we actually have decent facts about the incident that sparked your thread, we may learn what happened, we may learn there was a prior incident that sparked this. We may learn that there was an enemy who was engaged and fled into the civilians homes. We'll probably learn that a piece of human waste killed 9 kiddies and 6 other people because he thought it was a good idea at the time. Just make sure that thing never gets out of prison again. Well, in regards to the thread, I tried to keep name calling, bias, and emotion out of it, and stick to facts, which are slowly coming out. I am sure your technique will make for a better debate though. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #41 March 12, 2012 QuoteQuoteI wonder what you would say if hoards of Christians went on a murderous killing spree because someone burned a Bible? Assuming the question came from students in an 8th grade Social Studies class, which is about the level of discourse this question typifies, I'd say all those troops from that predominantly non-Christian country should declare victory after 10 years and get the fuck out of their country. It's said that fish and house guests begin to stink after about 3 days. The shelf life of armies of occupation really isn't much longer. Thanks for your 5th grade level response. Did your degree come from a matchbook cover or from the back of a comic book? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #42 March 12, 2012 You're basically right, but unless all the news regarding this is total bullocks, it's completely clear what happened. And yes, call me biassed and emotional, but someone who has, among other things, killed a 3 yo girl and 8 other kids, is a PoS in my book. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #43 March 12, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteI wonder what you would say if hoards of Christians went on a murderous killing spree because someone burned a Bible? Assuming the question came from students in an 8th grade Social Studies class, which is about the level of discourse this question typifies, I'd say all those troops from that predominantly non-Christian country should declare victory after 10 years and get the fuck out of their country. It's said that fish and house guests begin to stink after about 3 days. The shelf life of armies of occupation really isn't much longer. Thanks for your 5th grade level response. Did your degree come from a matchbook cover or from the back of a comic book? Oh yeah?? Well...well... I'm rubber and you're glue! Ha. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #44 March 12, 2012 Quote Says the guy that doesn't support the DP. With things like this, my opposition to the DP is on rational/ethical grounds not on emotional grounds, so I really can't blame you if you'd like to see him hang. (You're not the only one I must admit ) And of course there's a practical and political side to it too. You can't really sell it to the Afghan public if they don't execute him ASAP and publicly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #45 March 12, 2012 QuoteYou can't really sell it to the Afghan public if they don't execute him ASAP and publicly. Is that before or after the Afghan public executes the persons that have shot six of our troops in the last two weeks?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 891 #46 March 12, 2012 We're supposed to be better than that. Lowering ourselves to their level is never the right approach. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #47 March 12, 2012 QuoteWe're supposed to be better than that. Lowering ourselves to their level is never the right approach. I'm not saying we should.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 891 #48 March 12, 2012 I cannot imagine the challenge the military and the government has when fighting an enemy that hides in the civilians as well as the mosques. All the more reason for us and the world to not tolerate this type of behavior. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #49 March 12, 2012 QuoteI cannot imagine the challenge the military and the government has when fighting an enemy that hides in the civilians as well as the mosques. All the more reason for us and the world to not tolerate this type of behavior. Again, not saying we should. Just wondering if he's going to hold them to the same standards as what he thinks the US should be doing.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #50 March 12, 2012 QuoteQuoteYou can't really sell it to the Afghan public if they don't execute him ASAP and publicly. Is that before or after the Afghan public executes the persons that have shot six of our troops in the last two weeks? This bold brought to you by devil's advocate mode. That said, I could see a rational argument for allowing the local government to prosecute him. The concept of double-jeapordy is a long-time staple in the service. Screw up, off-base, and you'll face military charges after the civilians get done with you. I could see an argument being made that an arena of active conflict calls for separate rules, but it'd have to be pretty convincing to justify more lenient treatment of a mass murderer in Afghanistan than a rapist gets in Japan or a DUI in California. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
