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muff528 3
QuoteI'm not sure what you mean by that but I think it's clear that the BOR and the Bible aren't very compatible.
I am however curious what makes you think non-Americans benefited from the BoR.
That sentence is from the US Declaration of Independence ....not the BOR (which protects Americans from our own government).
The non-Americans who benefited include, among others, most Europeans, Asians, former Eastern Bloc citizens, and even some Iraqis. What they ultimately do with there "liberty" is now their job. Some have already squandered their new-found freedom.
Of course, there are always exceptions. For example, some of Iraqis who say things were better under Saddam were probably the same folks who oppressed and murdered opposing factions ...or at least supported the regime in that effort. They likely didn't want to be liberated from Saddam's tyranny. Also, any Europeans who supported and received benefit from any of the various tyrannical socialist regimes that were spread throughout Spain, Germany, Italy, Russia, etc. They also probably didn't want any of this talk about rights and self-evident truths.
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QuoteQuoteQuote'We finally got a man who understands that God gave the bill of of rights"
WTF does that mean?
I think it could mean: "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." ....and that this singing group believes that the BOR is founded in that principle.
Oooo SMACK!!
You miss the point. These girls are claiming that up until Santorum, there was no one who understood that God gave the US the BOR? Not Gingrich, Romney, Perry or even Dubya?
These girls know no better, they have not watched any TV, read any secular magazines and have been home schooled; their like little blonde North Koreans.
It is right out of the GOP handbook, attack the opponents faith.
Given your description of the girls, sounds like the 'attack the opponent's faith' is actually the Dem handbook....but then, we already knew that.
Have you ever attacked Obama on his Christian faith?
Marinus 0
Yeah I mixed up some terms.
As for the rest of your post, that's just nonsense. The US only saves the day when it's in its own interest, not because the US is on a mission to spread equality, happiness and liberty. And there's nothing wrong with that, and even to till this day the Liberation after WW II is our national holiday, but you shouldn't make things nobler than they are.
Also you take credit for things you didn't do at all, (US liberated the East Bloc? the US brought liberty and the light of civilization to most Asians? When exactly? and you sell an unjust war because you needed oil and that left an enormous pile of dead Iraqis as a noble cause.
As for the rest of your post, that's just nonsense. The US only saves the day when it's in its own interest, not because the US is on a mission to spread equality, happiness and liberty. And there's nothing wrong with that, and even to till this day the Liberation after WW II is our national holiday, but you shouldn't make things nobler than they are.
Also you take credit for things you didn't do at all, (US liberated the East Bloc? the US brought liberty and the light of civilization to most Asians? When exactly? and you sell an unjust war because you needed oil and that left an enormous pile of dead Iraqis as a noble cause.
kallend 2,148
QuoteQuoteI'm not sure what you mean by that but I think it's clear that the BOR and the Bible aren't very compatible.
I am however curious what makes you think non-Americans benefited from the BoR.
That sentence is from the US Declaration of Independence ....not the BOR (which protects Americans from our own government).
The non-Americans who benefited include, among others, most Europeans, Asians, former Eastern Bloc citizens, and even some Iraqis. .
The US BoR did not spring as original thought from the founding fathers. It inherited a great deal from the English Bill of Rights (some 100 years earlier), the Virginia Declaration of Rights, and the ideas of John Locke.
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muff528 3
QuoteYeah I mixed up some terms.
As for the rest of your post, that's just nonsense. The US only saves the day when it's in its own interest, not because the US is on a mission to spread equality, happiness and liberty. And there's nothing wrong with that, and even to till this day the Liberation after WW II is our national holiday, but you shouldn't make things nobler than they are.
Doesn't really matter whether or not the motives of the US were "noble". The US mission in WWII was to stop the Axis powers from ultimately and inevitably bringing the fight to the western hemisphere and to American soil (and to give Americans something to do to rebuild the economy). The "benefit" the Europeans, et al. derived as a result of the principles of the US DoI is that we didn't seek to assimilate all the "newly-conquered" countries into "Greater America". Now as "free" countries they could, (with our Marshall Plan and similar aid to Asia and the ME) have some chance at self-determination. Contrary to some beliefs, we are not conquerors or imperialists and that is a direct result of the principles of the DOI. Neither are we "occupiers" in the sense that we have direct, long-term political control over foreign governments. Understand that I don't mean to say that we don't apply diplomatic or economic pressures or incentives to foreign countries for our benefit. I would hope that agreements would be reached that would benefit both parties.
Also you take credit for things you didn't do at all, (US liberated the East Bloc?
Even recognizing the efforts of the Pope and Thatcher and the Solidarity movement, this would never have happened without the incredible economic pressures brought to bear against the Soviets by the arms and space races. Uprisings would simply have been brutally quashed and forgotten.
the US brought liberty and the light of civilization to most Asians? When exactly?
Another direct result of WWII. China (subsequently descended into Communism), Philippines, Indonesia, Borneo, Marianas, etc., etc. although we did keep a couple of small islands for military bases and a couple to blow up.
and you sell an unjust war because you needed oil and that left an enormous pile of dead Iraqis as a noble cause.
Again, will someone please tell me where all this freaking free oil is!
kallend 2,148
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Again, will someone please tell me where all this freaking free oil is!
I have an antique British car.- just look underneath it.
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muff528 3
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Again, will someone please tell me where all this freaking free oil is!
I have an antique British car.- just look underneath it.
Isn't that why you're supposed to keep some extra oil in the carbs?
kallend 2,148
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Again, will someone please tell me where all this freaking free oil is!
I have an antique British car.- just look underneath it.
Isn't that why you're supposed to keep some extra oil in the carbs?
Well, I do keep oil in the carbs but I'm not sure it's "EXTRA".
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nigel99 617
Interesting when young kids spout the beliefs of their parents.
I honestly don't believe that anyone under about 45 years old can comment on how well Reagan did or didn't do. He was president until 1989 that was 23YEARS ago! A 40 year old was 17 to help with the maths.
What always puts a smile on my face, is similarities between many of the people in the deep south of the US and those in the middle east.
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