Government pat-downs invasive / Government inserting things into your vagina is ok.

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002361683

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In November of 2010, Gov. Bob McDonnell (R-VA) joined the public outcry against the Transportation Security Administration’s (TSA) security precautions in airports by describing body scans and mandatory pat downs as crossing “the line” in regard “to people’s concerns about privacy” and “beneath the dignity” of air travelers. But just two months later, the anti-abortion McDonnell had no problem violating women’s privacy and freedom to make medical decisions by throwing his support behind a measure that originally required women seeking abortions to undergo ultrasounds in which a wand is inserted into the vagina.

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And a transvaginal ultrasound wand is more invasive than inserting dilators/scrapers/suction wands into the vagina during the abortion, HOW, exactly?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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And a transvaginal ultrasound wand is more invasive than inserting dilators/scrapers/suction wands into the vagina during the abortion, HOW, exactly?

For real??? I'm not exactly pro-life but even I see the consent issue.

-Blind

"If you end up in an alligator's jaws, naked, you probably did something to deserve it."

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And a transvaginal ultrasound wand is more invasive than inserting dilators/scrapers/suction wands into the vagina during the abortion, HOW, exactly?

For real??? I'm not exactly pro-life but even I see the consent issue.

-Blind

Wait... I thought gov't telling you what you had to do medically was a good thing?

The bill was amended to remove reference to TV ultrasound. You can see from the OP how it is *STILL* being dishonestly referenced, however.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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And a transvaginal ultrasound wand is more invasive than inserting dilators/scrapers/suction wands into the vagina during the abortion, HOW, exactly?

RWCs certainly hate freedom and personal responsibility, don't they?

In some ways I am really happy that the unbelieveable invasion of personal freedom as espoused by the "conservatives" is coming out. The exosue to the invasiveness and hipocracy of their policies should produce a huge backlash against this American Taliban way of thinking and governing. They will be driven from power end put into the shitcan of history as they soundly deserve.

RWCs seem to think that Birth Control is 100% and never fails. RWCs concern for children starts at conception and stops at delivery. After that, mother and child are on their own. I don't understand how the disconnect between those values you claim to believe in, and the actual policies supported, does not whack you upside the head and knock some sense into you. You don't believe in personal freedom and minimal government, while supporting heinous and invasive anti-personal freedom laws such as the forcible rape of women.

Transvaginal probes forced upon women are RAPE, by the actual definition of the word. It is truly incredible that RWCs would support state sponsored rape. Do you not have mothers and sisters? Why do you hate them so much that you would support their forcible rape? Are you crazy?

Hows about RWCs get subject to anal probing to find out why their heads seem to be so far up their asses that they need a proctometrist to put a glass window in their belly button so that they can see?

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It's 2012 and here's the latest news.. Virginia scraps requiring invasive pre-abortion procedure
Try to keep up.

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

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"McDonnell, a Republican who opposes abortion and is mentioned as a possible vice presidential candidate, came out against the measure in the face of anger among some women and ridicule by late-night comedians."

"Sen. Jill Holtzman Vogel, a Republican who sponsored the original bill, decided to withdraw the Senate version of the bill, effectively killing it, when it became clear that the governor's position had shifted, legislative assistant Tricia Stiles said."

this change only happened a week ago. What does it say that we had a legislator and a governor that supported this notion at all?

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"McDonnell, a Republican who opposes abortion and is mentioned as a possible vice presidential candidate, came out against the measure in the face of anger among some women and ridicule by late-night comedians."

"Sen. Jill Holtzman Vogel, a Republican who sponsored the original bill, decided to withdraw the Senate version of the bill, effectively killing it, when it became clear that the governor's position had shifted, legislative assistant Tricia Stiles said."

this change only happened a week ago. What does it say that we had a legislator and a governor that supported this notion at all?

It says they were loyal to their party platform until the VP winds blew and it wasn't convenient anymore.

Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard.

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>And a transvaginal ultrasound wand is more invasive than inserting
>dilators/scrapers/suction wands into the vagina during the abortion . . .

Do you think there is a difference to a woman when something is inserted there at her request, vs the government mandating something inserted there?

In any case it doesn't matter much. Such mandatory insertions were, fortunately, abandoned. The statement from the senator who proposed it:

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Press Release from Senator Vogel: SB 484

February 23, 2012
Senator Jill Vogel

Yesterday, on the Senate floor I stated my intention to strike SB 484, the informed consent bill that recently passed in the Senate.

The original intent of the bill was simple. It was to bring Virginia's informed consent rules in line with current reproductive technology.

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It was never my intent to force a woman to have a vaginal screening against her will, only to ensure that women seeking abortions are fully informed and that current state-of-the-art safety procedures are followed. Yesterday, I stated on the Senate floor that I would strike the bill. I regret that I had to do so over the objections of the Governor and others who have worked hard on the bill. But at this point in the process, it was for me a matter of conscience.
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And a transvaginal ultrasound wand is more invasive than inserting dilators/scrapers/suction wands into the vagina during the abortion, HOW, exactly?

RWCs certainly hate freedom and personal responsibility, don't they?

In some ways I am really happy that the unbelieveable invasion of personal freedom as espoused by the "conservatives" is coming out. The exosue to the invasiveness and hipocracy of their policies should produce a huge backlash against this American Taliban way of thinking and governing. They will be driven from power end put into the shitcan of history as they soundly deserve.

RWCs seem to think that Birth Control is 100% and never fails. RWCs concern for children starts at conception and stops at delivery. After that, mother and child are on their own. I don't understand how the disconnect between those values you claim to believe in, and the actual policies supported, does not whack you upside the head and knock some sense into you. You don't believe in personal freedom and minimal government, while supporting heinous and invasive anti-personal freedom laws such as the forcible rape of women.

Transvaginal probes forced upon women are RAPE, by the actual definition of the word. It is truly incredible that RWCs would support state sponsored rape. Do you not have mothers and sisters? Why do you hate them so much that you would support their forcible rape? Are you crazy?

Hows about RWCs get subject to anal probing to find out why their heads seem to be so far up their asses that they need a proctometrist to put a glass window in their belly button so that they can see?

This is a perfect example of hypocrissy on the left. They bitch screem and yell about having government control health care but then the same ones bitch screem and yell when they get what they asked for. I do not support any government involement in any healthcare but to see the left flip faster than a mexican jumping bean on a hot plate is completely hilarious. Wake up people!!! be careful what you ask for, you may just get it.

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And a transvaginal ultrasound wand is more invasive than inserting dilators/scrapers/suction wands into the vagina during the abortion, HOW, exactly?

RWCs certainly hate freedom and personal responsibility, don't they?

In some ways I am really happy that the unbelieveable invasion of personal freedom as espoused by the "conservatives" is coming out. The exosue to the invasiveness and hipocracy of their policies should produce a huge backlash against this American Taliban way of thinking and governing. They will be driven from power end put into the shitcan of history as they soundly deserve.

RWCs seem to think that Birth Control is 100% and never fails. RWCs concern for children starts at conception and stops at delivery. After that, mother and child are on their own. I don't understand how the disconnect between those values you claim to believe in, and the actual policies supported, does not whack you upside the head and knock some sense into you. You don't believe in personal freedom and minimal government, while supporting heinous and invasive anti-personal freedom laws such as the forcible rape of women.

Transvaginal probes forced upon women are RAPE, by the actual definition of the word. It is truly incredible that RWCs would support state sponsored rape. Do you not have mothers and sisters? Why do you hate them so much that you would support their forcible rape? Are you crazy?

Hows about RWCs get subject to anal probing to find out why their heads seem to be so far up their asses that they need a proctometrist to put a glass window in their belly button so that they can see?

This is a perfect example of hypocrissy on the left. They bitch screem and yell about having government control health care but then the same ones bitch screem and yell when they get what they asked for. I do not support any government involement in any healthcare but to see the left flip faster than a mexican jumping bean on a hot plate is completely hilarious. Wake up people!!! be careful what you ask for, you may just get it.

This is a perfect example of the stupidity of the RWCs.

Ranting about "goverment control of healthcare" when the subject is a government MANDATED, un-needed, unwanted, demeaning and physically invasive medical "diagnostic test" for an ELECTIVE procedure limited to women, and equating that with "goverment controlled health care"? Are you kidding? That is patently ridiculous.

How do RWCs get to be so fucking STUPID? Is it genetic, or do they learned behavior? Probably a combination of both.

The average citizen of USA would greatly benefit from a single payer health care system that would effectively be "Medicare for all", and take out the un-needed and resource draining private, FOR PROFIT, insurance companies. The companies that have DEATH PANELS that reward the members of the panels bonuses for denying neccesary medical treatment on the weakest of pretexts like "previous existing conditions", and "not reported on the original application". The USA is the only first world country that allows FOR PROFIT medical insurance companies to exist. For profit companies mazimize their profits by DENYING care whenever the goverment regulations allow them to do so. This isn't exactly rocket science. It doesn't take more that an eighth grade education to be able to figure this out, if the education provided even a modicum of rational thinking skills.

RWCs pitch a bitch about "government controlled health care", without having any ability to come up with any actual examples of it. Having policies that force equal treatment of all citizens by all organizations with regard to health care is not "government regulated health care". It is "government regulated ACCESS to health care", which is exactly what the government is for. Denying access the certain kinds of health care because of "religious or moral" objections is totally wrong. What happens when YOUR employer decides that they are morally opposed to high risk sports and won't cover any injuries that occur when participating in sports they don't happen to like? The slippery slope goes a very long way.

Government REGULATED health care examples are easy to come by. The drag on the economy that is the current health care system locks employees in to their employer (can't move to to a new job due to health insurance issues) and prevents average folks from starting new businesses because there is no way for private individuals to get health insurance at anything close to affordable rates. Bankrupting people over medical bills is a uniquely American thing that is quite amazing to the rest of the world. Forcing people to divorce so as to protect assets in the face of massive medical bills is a really great example of "family values", the way RWCs see it.

In case you live under a rock and only watch Faux Spews, not all government regulation is bad. I like having socialized police departments, socialized fire departments, socialized public roads, and government agencies that REGULATE food safety. The Weights and Measures folks that test gas pumps and store scales for accuracy, and have the power to enfoce the REGULATIONS of same, are a positive contrbution to society. The examples of how the goverment actually works correctly far outweigh the examples of how it is broken.

RWCs literally can't see the forest for the trees. The high level concepts can't be put into tidy like sound bites, so they are not comprehesible to the simple minded folk that RWCism attracts and develops.