DaVinci 0 #201 March 13, 2012 QuoteSince it exists in 17 states, it IS existing law. Just needs to be extended. You do know that putting a law on a person that was not under that law in a State that does not have that law is not an *existing* law, right? It is a NEW law. Just admit that you want new laws.... We all know that is what you want and you just prove yourself to be a liar when you play this game. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #202 March 13, 2012 QuoteAgreed. Which is why car registration, driver's licenses and seatbelt/airbag/car seat requirements are there. Cars are also not protected in the Bill of Rights. QuoteAlso agreed. Which is why there are laws requiring fences and specific drain design. Pools are also not protected in the Bill of Rights. And there ARE laws on guns already.... They don't really seem to be working so your solution is to create MORE? Prohibition didn't stop alcohol sales, the war on drugs didn't stop drug flow, Mexico's gun laws has not stopped gun violence, laws against prostitution didn't stop it.... Yet gun laws will somehow work? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,119 #203 March 13, 2012 >And there ARE laws on guns already.... They don't really seem to be working so >your solution is to create MORE? Nope. >Yet gun laws will somehow work? Laws that help protect kids from the dangers of cars and pools somehow work. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #204 March 13, 2012 QuoteQuoteSince it exists in 17 states, it IS existing law. Just needs to be extended. You do know that putting a law on a person that was not under that law in a State that does not have that law is not an *existing* law, right? It is a NEW law. Just admit that you want new laws.... We all know that is what you want and you just prove yourself to be a liar when you play this game. And we all know that what you want is unfettered access to guns without the slightest inconvenience, and that people shot dead by felons and nutters are just collateral damage in your eyes.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #205 March 13, 2012 QuoteHave you though about taking a course on LOGIC? Your posts indicate that you need one. Oh look a personal attack.... Out of logical fact filled responses already? FACT: This thread is about a child shooting others. Your "Solutions" would not have prevented it. FACT: you only seem to care about child deaths when it involves guns. The facts are clear.... you have an illogical emotional reaction when it comes to guns. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #206 March 13, 2012 QuoteQuoteHave you though about taking a course on LOGIC? Your posts indicate that you need one. Oh look a personal attack.... Out of logical fact filled responses already? FACT: This thread is about a child shooting others. Your "Solutions" would not have prevented it. FACT: you only seem to care about child deaths when it involves guns. The facts are clear.... you have an illogical emotional reaction when it comes to guns. ... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,119 #207 March 13, 2012 Both of you - enough. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #208 March 13, 2012 QuoteYou COULD try reading BEFORE jerking the knee. The kid in this story didn't go to one of those 33 other States and buy a gun..... So your own 'solutions' would have done NOTHING to prevent THIS crime. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #209 March 13, 2012 QuoteAnd we all know that what you want is unfettered access to guns without the slightest inconvenience Show where I said that... go on PROVE your crap. What I don't want is you being able to limit my rights based on your own fears and putting regulations in place that have already been shown not to work. Funny thing is you cried a river when the Govt tried to take your toy rocket motors and make them as regulated as guns. Just like you trying to claim you don't want NEW laws.... then your own words show that is a lie. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #210 March 13, 2012 QuoteQuoteAnd we all know that what you want is unfettered access to guns without the slightest inconvenience Show where I said that... go on PROVE your crap. OK, show us a SINGLE post where you have made a suggestion about how to prevent felons and mentally ill people getting hold of guns. JUST ONE.Quote What I don't want is you being able to limit my rights based on your own fears and putting regulations in place that have already been shown not to work. Funny thing is you cried a river when the Govt tried to take your toy rocket motors and make them as regulated as guns. Why do you approve of ATF exceeding its authority? Any responsible citizen would want ATF to be held accountable to Congress, not going off making its own rules.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #211 March 13, 2012 QuoteQuoteYou COULD try reading BEFORE jerking the knee. The kid in this story didn't go to one of those 33 other States and buy a gun..... So your own 'solutions' would have done NOTHING to prevent THIS crime. If it were only THIS crime it wouldn't be a national embarrassment. However, www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=gunman+shooter+history+of+mental+illness... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #212 March 13, 2012 QuoteOK, show us a SINGLE post where you have made a suggestion about how to prevent felons and mentally ill people getting hold of guns. JUST ONE. I have discussed this several times... DO A SEARCH. QuoteWhy do you approve of ATF exceeding its authority? Show where I said anything of the sort. All I did was point out your double standard of being pissed about toy rocket motors and not about firearms. Personally, I don't see how you can claim that the ATF asking for a background check for a single gun is great, but not OK for the ATF to ask for a background check for explosives. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #213 March 13, 2012 Quote: In Reply To Quote You COULD try reading BEFORE jerking the knee. The kid in this story didn't go to one of those 33 other States and buy a gun..... So your own 'solutions' would have done NOTHING to prevent THIS crime. If it were only THIS crime it wouldn't be a national embarrassment. As you said in THIS THREAD.... THIS THREAD is about the school shooting. And even then you are crying about less than a .01% failure rate and ignoring all the laws that were broken before the shootings. Your 'solutions' would have done nothing to prevent this shooting, yet you are still claiming they would. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #214 March 13, 2012 QuoteQuoteOK, show us a SINGLE post where you have made a suggestion about how to prevent felons and mentally ill people getting hold of guns. JUST ONE. I have discussed this several times... DO A SEARCH. I have, and you didn't.Quote QuoteWhy do you approve of ATF exceeding its authority? Show where I said anything of the sort. All I did was point out your double standard of being pissed about toy rocket motors and not about firearms. Personally, I don't see how you can claim that the ATF asking for a background check for a single gun is great, but not OK for the ATF to ask for a background check for explosives. It all depends on what ATF is authorized to do by Congress. Why do you think it OK for ATF to exceed its statutory authority?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #215 March 13, 2012 QuoteI have, and you didn't. Nonsense.... I have, don't blame me that you can not find it. QuoteIt all depends on what ATF is authorized to do by Congress. Why do you think it OK for ATF to exceed its statutory authority? Like I said before... Show where I said it. All I said is you have a double standard when it comes to the ATF and toy motors and guns. ATF background check for guns = Good ATF backgound check for rocket motors = Bad. I have made no comment about the ATF and the rocket motors, only your reaction to the same act from the ATF on different items. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #216 March 13, 2012 QuoteQuote: In Reply To Quote You COULD try reading BEFORE jerking the knee. The kid in this story didn't go to one of those 33 other States and buy a gun..... So your own 'solutions' would have done NOTHING to prevent THIS crime. If it were only THIS crime it wouldn't be a national embarrassment. As you said in THIS THREAD.... THIS THREAD is about the school shooting. And even then you are crying about less than a .01% failure rate and ignoring all the laws that were broken before the shootings. Your 'solutions' would have done nothing to prevent this shooting, yet you are still claiming they would. I am APPALLED that you still think a 0.01% daily failure rate with respect to preventing illegal shootings is acceptable. As Kelpdiver said, do some simple math and stop embarrassing yourself.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #217 March 13, 2012 Quote QuoteIt all depends on what ATF is authorized to do by Congress. Why do you think it OK for ATF to exceed its statutory authority? Like I said before... Show where I said it. All I said is you have a double standard. STRAWMAN. Where did I approve ATF exceeding its authority with respect to firearms? Provide a link to a single post where I did that.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #218 March 13, 2012 QuoteI am APPALLED that you still think a 0.01% daily failure rate with respect to preventing illegal shootings is acceptable. As Kelpdiver said, do some simple math and stop embarrassing yourself. And I am appalled that you were more upset at the ATF trying to make you pass the SAME requirements to own a TOY that is not protected in the Bill of Rights, than you are about protecting the actual Bill of Rights. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #219 March 13, 2012 Quote OK, show us a SINGLE post where you have made a suggestion about how to prevent felons and mentally ill people getting hold of guns. JUST ONE. Quote I have discussed this several times... DO A SEARCH. QuoteI have, and you didn't. Nonsense.... I have, don't blame me that you can not find it. OK, here is a list of every post you've made with the word "felon" in it. Tell us which ones have your suggestions on how better to prevent felons (and loonies) from getting guns.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #220 March 13, 2012 QuoteQuoteI am APPALLED that you still think a 0.01% daily failure rate with respect to preventing illegal shootings is acceptable. As Kelpdiver said, do some simple math and stop embarrassing yourself. And I am appalled that you were more upset at the ATF trying to make you pass the SAME requirements to own a TOY that is not protected in the Bill of Rights, than you are about protecting the actual Bill of Rights. That STRAWMAN is dead. Stop beating it. ATF exceeded it's authority and a Federal judge told it to cease and desist. WHY DO YOU THINK IT OK FOR ATF TO EXCEED ITS AUTHORITY?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #221 March 14, 2012 QuoteLaws that help protect kids from the dangers of cars and pools somehow work. The 800 killed by cars and 400 killed in pools would disagree.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #222 March 14, 2012 QuoteIt all depends on what ATF is authorized to do by Congress. Why do you think it OK for ATF to exceed its statutory authority? You don't seem to have any problems with that where guns are concerned..Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #223 March 14, 2012 QuoteQuote QuoteIt all depends on what ATF is authorized to do by Congress. Why do you think it OK for ATF to exceed its statutory authority? Like I said before... Show where I said it. All I said is you have a double standard. STRAWMAN. Where did I approve ATF exceeding its authority with respect to firearms? Provide a link to a single post where I did that. EVERY SINGLE POST you make regarding NICS for all sales, as that is not part of Federal law.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #224 March 14, 2012 QuoteThe 800 killed by cars and 400 killed in pools would disagree. Would you agree with maintaining status quo, increasing or decreasing laws regulating kids and cars and kids and pools? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jclalor 12 #225 March 14, 2012 Damn near happens on a daily basis: http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/11712614-washington-3yearold-shoots-himself-fatally-with-a-handgun-found-in-car Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 Next Page 9 of 10 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
kallend 2,150 #220 March 13, 2012 QuoteQuoteI am APPALLED that you still think a 0.01% daily failure rate with respect to preventing illegal shootings is acceptable. As Kelpdiver said, do some simple math and stop embarrassing yourself. And I am appalled that you were more upset at the ATF trying to make you pass the SAME requirements to own a TOY that is not protected in the Bill of Rights, than you are about protecting the actual Bill of Rights. That STRAWMAN is dead. Stop beating it. ATF exceeded it's authority and a Federal judge told it to cease and desist. WHY DO YOU THINK IT OK FOR ATF TO EXCEED ITS AUTHORITY?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #221 March 14, 2012 QuoteLaws that help protect kids from the dangers of cars and pools somehow work. The 800 killed by cars and 400 killed in pools would disagree.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #222 March 14, 2012 QuoteIt all depends on what ATF is authorized to do by Congress. Why do you think it OK for ATF to exceed its statutory authority? You don't seem to have any problems with that where guns are concerned..Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #223 March 14, 2012 QuoteQuote QuoteIt all depends on what ATF is authorized to do by Congress. Why do you think it OK for ATF to exceed its statutory authority? Like I said before... Show where I said it. All I said is you have a double standard. STRAWMAN. Where did I approve ATF exceeding its authority with respect to firearms? Provide a link to a single post where I did that. EVERY SINGLE POST you make regarding NICS for all sales, as that is not part of Federal law.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #224 March 14, 2012 QuoteThe 800 killed by cars and 400 killed in pools would disagree. Would you agree with maintaining status quo, increasing or decreasing laws regulating kids and cars and kids and pools? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #225 March 14, 2012 Damn near happens on a daily basis: http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/11712614-washington-3yearold-shoots-himself-fatally-with-a-handgun-found-in-car Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
