billvon 3,120 #176 March 2, 2012 >And what would you do, long after implementation of your background checks, when >mass shootings continue at the same rate as before? Probably the same thing you'd do if background checks were implemented and mass shootings went down. "There's not enough data! It's not over a long enough time period! It's biased! It's from the liberal media! They weren't law abiding gun owners so it doesn't count. And they're not really mass killings! You can kill someone with a spoon you know. Are you going to ban spoons? You're a GUN O PHOBE!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #177 March 2, 2012 Quote>And what would you do, long after implementation of your background checks, when >mass shootings continue at the same rate as before? Probably the same thing you'd do if background checks were implemented and mass shootings went down. "There's not enough data! It's not over a long enough time period! It's biased! It's from the liberal media! They weren't law abiding gun owners so it doesn't count. And they're not really mass killings! You can kill someone with a spoon you know. Are you going to ban spoons? You're a GUN O PHOBE!" Hey, voter fraud went UP in Indiana after they instituted photo ID checks. While there were no cases of voter fraud in Indiana before the law passed, now Republicans can say there's been a criminal conviction: Charlie White (R).... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #178 March 2, 2012 QuoteHappens in 16 other states too. Which means any felon or loonie can go to one of 33 states and buy a gun without a NICS check. How many gun crimes are committed in the 16-states with your background checks, with guns obtained in those 33 other states? And what percentage of total gun crime does that represent? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #179 March 2, 2012 QuoteI really don't give a fuck what you do with your guns, or what other parents in the US wish to do. You sure spend a lot of time arguing about it for someone who doesn't give a fuck. 23 messages right here in this thread, of not giving a fuck. Your behavior contradicts your claim. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #180 March 3, 2012 QuoteQuoteHappens in 16 other states too. Which means any felon or loonie can go to one of 33 states and buy a gun without a NICS check. How many gun crimes are committed in the 16-states with your background checks, with guns obtained in those 33 other states? More than voter fraud cases in Indiana (none), which the GOP still used as an excuse to enact voter ID laws to prevent voter fraud.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #181 March 3, 2012 QuoteSTEP 2. Mandatory background checks on ALL gun sales. No exceptions. So, your claim that you only want to enforce EXISTING law is a lie, then?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #182 March 3, 2012 Quote More than voter fraud cases in Indiana (none), which the GOP still used as an excuse to enact voter ID laws to prevent voter fraud. So because one lying hypocrite institutes a law that has no statistics behind it's need, you'd like to institute a law without showing any statistics behind it's need. That's what I read here. Hey! You could be a politician!! :)-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #183 March 3, 2012 QuoteYou sure spend a lot of time arguing about it for someone who doesn't give a fuck. 23 messages right here in this thread, of not giving a fuck. None of those messages were about what you should do with your guns. QuoteYour behavior contradicts your claim. I am not sure you understand what you read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #184 March 3, 2012 Quote Quote STEP 2. Mandatory background checks on ALL gun sales. No exceptions. So, your claim that you only want to enforce EXISTING law is a lie, then? It IS enforcing EXISTING law - the one that prohibits the sale to felons and loonies.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #185 March 4, 2012 Quote Quote Quote STEP 2. Mandatory background checks on ALL gun sales. No exceptions. So, your claim that you only want to enforce EXISTING law is a lie, then? It IS enforcing EXISTING law - the one that prohibits the sale to felons and loonies. You're being intentionally obtuse again. You understood the expansion you propose of the existing law. That's why you capitalized ALL. You want to expand that check to private gun sales in all states.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #186 March 4, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote STEP 2. Mandatory background checks on ALL gun sales. No exceptions. So, your claim that you only want to enforce EXISTING law is a lie, then? It IS enforcing EXISTING law - the one that prohibits the sale to felons and loonies. You're being intentionally obtuse again. You understood the expansion you propose of the existing law. That's why you capitalized ALL. You want to expand that check to private gun sales in all states. Since it exists in 17 states, it IS existing law. Just needs to be extended. WHY do YOU support making it easy for felons and loonies to get guns when even Scalia writes that existing prohibitions on their getting guns are OK.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #187 March 5, 2012 QuoteSince it exists in 17 states, it IS existing law. Just needs to be extended. Ha! That's a good line, and a typical justification for more gun laws. I can see it now. Since gun registration already exists in Chicago, we just need to extend it to all 50 states. Since ammo purchase registration already happens in Los Angeles, we just need to extend it to all 50 states. In other words, everywhere there's a restrictive gun law, in no matter what entity, you're for expanding it to everywhere. And while advocating this, at the same time you claim that you're not pushing for new gun laws. You're a friggan' riot. Your obfuscation has been exposed, and even the most naive reader here can now realize the stupid games you play with your words. You're not fooling anyone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jtiflyer 0 #188 March 5, 2012 Quote refresh my memory - who won that war? Who won in Iraq? Hint: it wasn't us. And these were conflicts where it was easy to identify gooks and sand n*. In the US, the people are absolutely indistinguishable from the soldiers. curious why you didn't completely type the word sand nigger but you felt that gook was acceptable? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #189 March 5, 2012 QuoteHa! That's a good line, and a typical justification for more gun laws. I can see it now. Since gun registration already exists in Chicago, we just need to extend it to all 50 states. Since ammo purchase registration already happens in Los Angeles, we just need to extend it to all 50 states. In other words, everywhere there's a restrictive gun law, in no matter what entity, you're for expanding it to everywhere. And while advocating this, at the same time you claim that you're not pushing for new gun laws. You're a friggan' riot. Your obfuscation has been exposed, and even the most naive reader here can now realize the stupid games you play with your words. You're not fooling anyone. So we went from 17 states to one city for some extreme example. Yet you feel the need to blame other's for playing with words. Have you looked up that definition of hypocrite yet? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #190 March 6, 2012 QuoteQuote refresh my memory - who won that war? Who won in Iraq? Hint: it wasn't us. And these were conflicts where it was easy to identify gooks and sand n*. In the US, the people are absolutely indistinguishable from the soldiers. curious why you didn't completely type the word sand nigger but you felt that gook was acceptable? I mulled it over for a while. Ultimately made the call for clarity and uncertainty that forum rules even permitted it. It was not my intent to suggest one term was more acceptable than the other. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #191 March 13, 2012 QuoteJust another nutter with a gun. The 99.999999%ers like DaVinci don't seem to think it's a problem, just so long as they're not inconvenienced. Nonsense from you as normal.... But tell me what you would have done to prevent this? 1. He is not old enough to buy a gun. 2. It is already illegal for him to carry one at school. 3. It is already illegal to shoot someone. So, please, what EXACTLY would you have done to prevent this? Or are you just talking crap about something you have no real answer for? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #192 March 13, 2012 QuoteWe do not have a 2nd Amendment. We do not need it. If I call my police (of course not 911), I just trust they will be with me within minutes. We just do not need weapons to control our country. Europe does not need it. Yeah, that worked out great for the Jews! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #193 March 13, 2012 QuoteWhether or not you believe it, I know others do. But I have to say that the argument just doesn't hold water to me. I think it might have been true back when the Bill Of Rights was enacted. Back then, the federal government wasn't the size it is today, and didn't have the money, power or resources to fight it's owned armed citizens. Today, it's a much different story. Our military budget, resources and technology are far superior to any other country, or an armed citizen army. What good is a semi-auto rifle against an M-1 tank? How does even an illegal machine gun compare to a predator drone? They said the same thing about the revolutionary war. They said that the Vietnamese would never stood a chance against the US. They said that Iraq would be no problem The Russians and now the US is learning that Afghanistan is not as easy as they thought. There is a LONG history of the public beating a superior force...... First you have to realize that if ordered to kill civilians a good number of troops would not comply. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #194 March 13, 2012 QuoteThen their is the accidental shooting of a young child that just breaks your heart. Our children at times, sure do pay a high price for us to have the rights to own guns. They also pay a high price for us owning a car: QuoteDespite long-running campaigns to raise public awareness about pedestrian safety, nearly 400 kids age 15 and under are killed each year when they're hit by an automobile QuoteAbout 8,000 child and teen deaths each year in the U.S. involve a motor vehicle occupant, pedestrian, or cyclist, with the highest fatality rates being among occupants of motor vehicles. CDC By far the most common type of injury accident involving children are those that also involve motor vehicle collisions. According to the National Center for Statistics and Analysis (NCSA), nearly 250,000 children are injured every year in car accidents. Quote This means that on any given day nearly 700 children are harmed due to accidents on our roadways. Of the 250,000 kids injured each year, approximately 2,000 die from their injuries. Children make up about 5% of total fatalities due to car accidents. In fact, for children between the ages of 2 and 14, motor vehicle accidents are the leading cause of death. They also pay a high price for our right to own a pool... about 300 a year drown. QuoteEnough children drown each year in Florida to fill about 4 preschool classrooms. QuoteFatal drowning remains the second-leading cause of unintentional injury-related death for children ages 1 to 14 years (CDC 2005) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #195 March 13, 2012 >They also pay a high price for us owning a car: Agreed. Which is why car registration, driver's licenses and seatbelt/airbag/car seat requirements are there. >They also pay a high price for our right to own a pool... Also agreed. Which is why there are laws requiring fences and specific drain design. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #196 March 13, 2012 QuoteThis thread is about SHOOTING. Last time I checked, seat belts don't shoot anyone. Ah, so you are more concerned about guns (the object) than actually saving lives..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #197 March 13, 2012 QuoteQuoteThis thread is about SHOOTING. Last time I checked, seat belts don't shoot anyone. Ah, so you are more concerned about guns (the object) than actually saving lives..... Have you though about taking a course on LOGIC? Your posts indicate that you need one.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #198 March 13, 2012 QuoteOnly felons and loonies need be concerned about my views on gun ownership. No, people who value their privacy and their Constitutional Rights also have a lot to fear from your views. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #199 March 13, 2012 QuoteSTEP 1. STOP THE DENIAL. Until people like you admit that loonies with guns pose a problem in our society we get nowhere Total BS on your part. No one has said it is not an issue, we just don't agree with your 'solutions' that remove rights from innocent people. QuoteSTEP 2. Mandatory background checks on ALL gun sales. No exceptions. Which means any felon or loonie can go to one of 33 states and buy a gun without a NICS check. The kid in this story didn't go to one of those 33 other States and buy a gun..... So your own 'solutions' would have done NOTHING to prevent THIS crime. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #200 March 13, 2012 QuoteQuoteSTEP 1. STOP THE DENIAL. Until people like you admit that loonies with guns pose a problem in our society we get nowhere Total BS on your part. No one has said it is not an issue, we just don't agree with your 'solutions' that remove rights from innocent people. QuoteSTEP 2. Mandatory background checks on ALL gun sales. No exceptions. Which means any felon or loonie can go to one of 33 states and buy a gun without a NICS check. The kid in this story didn't go to one of those 33 other States and buy a gun..... So your own 'solutions' would have done NOTHING to prevent THIS crime. You COULD try reading BEFORE jerking the knee.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
