Cleveland school shooting

[lawrocket 3]

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1, Do you wish there was a law requiring all guns to be locked up?
2, Should there be home inspections by police to enforce that law?
3, What about people who don't have children in their homes - would they be exempt?
4.What would the effect be upon people who need their gun for self defense in their home?
5. What about law enforcement officers? With children?

1. Yes - whom do you feel should hold the key to the lock?

2. Yes - would these be random inspections of police entering the homes? Or inspections after notice?

3. No - why not exempt them?

4. What's your definition of *self defense in their home*?? Why do *others* need guns in their homes??? - How about an armed intruder in your home

5. Do *they* enjoy different laws? - should the police, who carry their weapons with them, have locking mechanisms that prevent an accidental discharge?

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[kelpdiver 2]

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Then their is the accidental shooting of a young child that just breaks your heart.

Our children at times, sure do pay a high price for us to have the rights to own guns.

http://lubbockonline.com/filed-online/2011-05-21/sheriff-calls-9-year-olds-death-very-tragic-hunting-accident#.T06AJfGPWSo


For every 1 child shot at school, 10 more were shot, maimed or killed
hunting with Dad or Gramps.

I wonder what price it would be too high for us to reconsider how we ow do things.

We have to make that evaluation with everything that can cause harm - pools, bicycles, cars, football. All of these can lead to tragic outcomes...but avoiding them deprives us.

The 10x figure is a bit open to manipulation - would be more appropriate with actual numbers. The number of kids shot in schools is not a very high number.

As for the particular incident, not comfortable with it being a matter of her accidentally walking into his line of fire. Maybe hunting with four youngsters is not the best thing. I'd prefer there be a second adult in that situation that isn't focused on a target.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Do you wish there was a law requiring all guns to be locked up? no
Should there be home inspections by police to enforce that law? no
What about people who don't have children in their homes - would they be exempt?
What would the effect be upon people who need their gun for self defense in their home?none
What about law enforcement officers? With children?
what about them?

If you are stupid enough to allow your child to kill themselves with your gun, that is the cost you pay for your 2nd Amendment right.

If a minor you are responsible for takes your gun and goes on a murder spree, you should be held responsible and charged with accessory to.

[JohnRich 4]

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Do you wish there was a law requiring all guns to be locked up? no

Back in message 51 you had this comment:

Re: "Guns have always been secure in a gun safe."

Skydekker: "Many people believe that is not the correct place for them though, since they should be readily available should a home invasion take place."

So you were atually arguing FOR the freedom of people to keep guns in their home readily availabile if they wish to do so?

[jclalor 12]

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reply]Do you wish there was a law requiring all guns to be locked up? no
Should there be home inspections by police to enforce that law? no
What about people who don't have children in their homes - would they be exempt?
What would the effect be upon people who need their gun for self defense in their home?none
What about law enforcement officers? With children?
what about them?

If you are stupid enough to allow your child to kill themselves with your gun, that is the cost you pay for your 2nd Amendment right.

If a minor you are responsible for takes your gun and goes on a murder spree, you should be held responsible and charged with accessory to.

[mnealtx 0]

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For most folks, the whole joy of owning a gun is knowing it can be retrieved in a moments notice.

Kindly preface comments like with the disclaimer that you're speaking for yourself.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[normiss 897]

+1

[jclalor 12]

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For most folks, the whole joy of owning a gun is knowing it can be retrieved in a moments notice.

Kindly preface comments like with the disclaimer that you're speaking for yourself.

I have a Savage .308 and a 20 gauge shotgun, both with trigger locks and the ammo in a separate and locked container. I also have no children in my home.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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So you were atually arguing FOR the freedom of people to keep guns in their home readily availabile if they wish to do so?

I wasn't arguing for or against anything. I was stating a fact.

I have always said that Americans have their 2nd Amendment right. What you do with your guns and where you keep them doesn't affect me.

Personally I think you are stupid when you leave your guns in the open with young kids around. I know many here will disagree with me.

[normiss 897]

I found a large number of trigger locks are a joke.

I could pull the trigger WITH the lock most of the time.

I passed on those. Also typically throw away the gimme one included with new weapons.

My guns go in my safe. Always have. Always will.

[mnealtx 0]

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For most folks, the whole joy of owning a gun is knowing it can be retrieved in a moments notice.

Kindly preface comments like with the disclaimer that you're speaking for yourself.

I have a Savage .308 and a 20 gauge shotgun, both with trigger locks and the ammo in a separate and locked container. I also have no children in my home.

Which has zero applicability to the claim you made up-thread about what 'most folks' think 'the joy of owning a gun' is.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[rehmwa 2]

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you are stupid when you leave your guns in the open with young kids around. I know many here will disagree with me.

Wow, I can't wait to see all these mysterious people disagree with you.

I bet "a lot of people" have a little picture in their minds of these "many" - visualizing them insisting on taking loaded guns, cocked and ready to fire and them just insisting on laying them randomly around a kindgarten classroom. In between all the booby trapped grenades

You have some seriously messed up notions about anybody with even slight disagreements with you - or even if they just live in a huge country. Demonizing others and classes of people like that is just plain unhealthy.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[JohnRich 4]

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I have a Savage .308 and a 20 gauge shotgun, both with trigger locks and the ammo in a separate and locked container. I also have no children in my home.

That's nice. You're free to store your guns the way you wish.

Do you think that everyone else should be forced by law to store their guns in the same manner as you?

[christelsabine 1]

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That's nice. You're free to store your guns the way you wish.
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Jesus Christ. How stupid is that comment.

dudeist skydiver # 3105

[normiss 897]

So you ARE familiar with that line of posts....

[christelsabine 1]

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So you ARE familiar with that line of posts....

Sure. I'm here since a couple of years, right?

dudeist skydiver # 3105

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Wow, I can't wait to see all these mysterious people disagree with you.

I bet "a lot of people" have a little picture in their minds of these "many" - visualizing them insisting on taking loaded guns, cocked and ready to fire and them just insisting on laying them randomly around a kindgarten classroom. In between all the booby trapped grenades

You have some seriously messed up notions about anybody with even slight disagreements with you - or even if they just live in a huge country. Demonizing others and classes of people like that is just plain unhealthy.

Nice little rant.

There are quite a few here, who have stated that with proper training it should be fine to leave guns out with kids around.

I disagree, feeling that the risk of a child shooting themselves or their sibling by accident (or intention) is greater than the need for self defence from violent home invasion.

The rest of your rant is your own homemade bullshit.

[kelpdiver 2]

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I disagree, feeling that the risk of a child shooting themselves or their sibling by accident (or intention) is greater than the need for self defence from violent home invasion.

but is that a rational belief, or a gut feeling one made, devoid of actual facts?

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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but is that a rational belief, or a gut feeling one made, devoid of actual facts?

I think it is a personal decision to be made by gun owners. I know what my decision would be.

I also believe that if you leave guns around and your kid shoots themselves or their sibling, you deserve the pain and anguish it will cause.

[rushmc 23]

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but is that a rational belief, or a gut feeling one made, devoid of actual facts?

I think it is a personal decision to be made by gun owners. I know what my decision would be.

I also believe that if you leave guns around and your kid shoots themselves or their sibling, you deserve the pain and anguish it will cause.

You also indicate that if others do not believe as you do they are __________?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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You also indicate that if others do not believe as you do they are __________?

No if they leave guns around and their kids shoot themselves, they are stupid. Maybe you see it as a sign of brilliance, everybody is different.

[rushmc 23]

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You also indicate that if others do not believe as you do they are __________?

No if they leave guns around and their kids shoot themselves, they are stupid. Maybe you see it as a sign of brilliance, everybody is different.

Ah yes
and here we have a great example of liberal self importance

See all you who disagree with him? You are all stupid!!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

If protecting my children from shooting themselves make me a liberal, than I will wear that badge proudly.

[rushmc 23]

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If protecting my children from shooting themselves make me a liberal, than I will wear that badge proudly.

See, there you go thinking the only way it will work is your way

Yet another example of the down nose attitude of liberals

You may care to ask how those who think different than you have had their kids survive with guns in the house their whole lives

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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You may care to ask how those who think different than you have had their kids survive with guns in the house their whole lives

Let's make a bet:

I am going to say that more kids killed themselves or a sibling with guns not locked up in gun safe than those who killed themselves or a sibling with guns locked up in a gun safe.

You can take the opposite opinion.

How about $10,000?