Trafficdiver 8 #51 February 28, 2012 Quote...Sob story.... Don I'll do that if you can find a way to feed the population of the United States using the same parameters you want to have with these dogs. I'll have every farmer send you every head of cattle, sheep, pig and chicken and I would expect you will provide each and every animal with an individual 10 x 15 foot pen (at a minimum, so they have space to play), and you will ensure each animal gets a 2-mile walk every day, until you can humanely kill them to harvest their meat. Now, I'll be waiting for your PM. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 380 #52 February 28, 2012 QuoteQuote...Sob story.... Don I'll do that if you can find a way to feed the population of the United States using the same parameters you want to have with these dogs. I'll have every farmer send you every head of cattle, sheep, pig and chicken and I would expect you will provide each and every animal with an individual 10 x 15 foot pen (at a minimum, so they have space to play), and you will ensure each animal gets a 2-mile walk every day, until you can humanely kill them to harvest their meat. Now, I'll be waiting for your PM.You were the one advocating that animal euthanasia can never be justified, not me. I have not expressed a moral principle that every animal must be kept alive despite it's condition or prospects for a healthy pain-free live, despite the enormous expense. You were the one who said that. I assume you are a man of his word, someone who says what he means and means what he says. Am I wrong? I'd prefer to believe your posts reflect your actual moral beliefs and were not just an immature and unintelligent attempt to castigate liberals. Once again, I await your address. Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trafficdiver 8 #53 February 28, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuote...Sob story.... Don I'll do that if you can find a way to feed the population of the United States using the same parameters you want to have with these dogs. I'll have every farmer send you every head of cattle, sheep, pig and chicken and I would expect you will provide each and every animal with an individual 10 x 15 foot pen (at a minimum, so they have space to play), and you will ensure each animal gets a 2-mile walk every day, until you can humanely kill them to harvest their meat. Now, I'll be waiting for your PM.You were the one advocating that animal euthanasia can never be justified, not me. No Don. I was pointing out the hypocrisy present in PETA. From my first post when I said that it was a case of liberals doing one thing and saying another, to my post stating that if you want all pets kept in a 10' x 15' pen then I want you to house all farm animals in the same condition, which we both know is impossible. Killing is killing. There is no good or bad form of it. Is it justified in some cases to ensure the survival of the human race, yes. Is the person who is killed by lethal injection any less dead than the one stabbed to death, no. PETA should either stop killing animals or stop attacking others for doing it. There is no humane way to kill off enough cows, chickens or pigs to keep our species going. If they want to become a for profit euthanasia service for shelters, fine. Just don't go complaining that a for profit service for making fur coats or slaughtering chicken the "wrong" way, and then sending their goons, in the form of the ALF to burn down their farms. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #54 February 28, 2012 QuoteDan, watch what you call me. When you state I must be in favor of genocide because I'm in favor of animal right, then you are an asshole. That's just a fact. This started out semi-civilized, but you're clearly not interested in listening to the other sde, so I'm out. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trafficdiver 8 #55 February 28, 2012 QuoteQuoteDan, watch what you call me. you are an asshole. That's just a fact. PM sent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #56 February 28, 2012 QuoteIs the person who is killed by lethal injection any less dead than the one stabbed to death, no. No less dead, but the Courts might have something to say about stabbing prisoners to death as capital punishment. Something about "cruel and unusual punishment," I believe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #57 February 28, 2012 Quote Killing is killing. There is no good or bad form of it. Really? Perhaps you'd like to leave the world this way.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trafficdiver 8 #58 February 28, 2012 QuoteQuoteIs the person who is killed by lethal injection any less dead than the one stabbed to death, no. QuoteNo less dead, Thank you Quotebut the Courts might have something to say about stabbing prisoners to death as capital punishment. Something about "cruel and unusual punishment," I believe. I was referring to the action that got the prisoner on the death gurney in the first place. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Coreece 190 #59 February 28, 2012 Ok, I was gonna just keep this to myself but these type of replies keep adding up and I can't just let them lie. Is it just me or does anyone else see the irony in some of the postings from the anti-religious/liberals here. Let's take a look at the following quotes and reflect on how theses types of people typically respond in christian/gun threads. Quote "It's a case of one, very small, very specific group of people, doing something and it being reported with a heavy amount of bias by another very small, very specific group of people, that is against them." Most attacks against christianity here follow this same premise, but don't expect them to notice it as they shove their verbal bukaki down everyone's throat. Quote "You were the one advocating that animal euthanasia can never be justified, not me. I have not expressed a moral principle that every animal must be kept alive despite it's condition or prospects for a healthy pain-free live, despite the enormous expense. You were the one who said that. I assume you are a man of his word, someone who says what he means and means what he says. Am I wrong? I'd prefer to believe your posts reflect your actual moral beliefs and were not just an immature and unintelligent attempt to castigate liberals." This is typically the case when atheists condemn christians for not being more Christ-like while they themselves, understanding the virtue of Christ, do not live it within their own life. When you point this out to them they say....Well, you're the christian not me. Quote "When you state I must be in favor of genocide because I'm in favor of animal right, then you are an asshole." Just recently we had our resident hoplophobe basically accuse gunners of being in favor of mass murder because they were in favor of second amendment rights. I don't mean to go off on this little rabbit trail, but this shit just fuckin' fascinates me.(and no...I don't swear because I don't have any other words to use. I swear because they are the right words to use...well that and the fact that they're just fuckin' funny....they're just words people, chill.)Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GeorgiaDon 380 #60 February 28, 2012 Quote "You were the one advocating that animal euthanasia can never be justified, not me. I have not expressed a moral principle that every animal must be kept alive despite it's condition or prospects for a healthy pain-free live, despite the enormous expense. You were the one who said that. I assume you are a man of his word, someone who says what he means and means what he says. Am I wrong? I'd prefer to believe your posts reflect your actual moral beliefs and were not just an immature and unintelligent attempt to castigate liberals." Quote This is typically the case when atheists condemn christians for not being more Christ-like while they themselves, understanding the virtue of Christ, do not live it within their own life. When you point this out to them they say....Well, you're the christian not me. Whatever you've been smoking/imbibing/sticking up your colon, I don't want any of it. You're making even less sense than usual, if that's even possible. Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Coreece 190 #61 February 28, 2012 Quote Whatever you've been smoking/imbibing/sticking up your colon, I don't want any of it. You're making even less sense than usual, if that's even possible. Ya, that one was a little more complicated, but at least you understood enough to be offended and make personal attacks...works for me. Have a nice day.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GeorgiaDon 380 #62 February 28, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote...Sob story.... Don I'll do that if you can find a way to feed the population of the United States using the same parameters you want to have with these dogs. I'll have every farmer send you every head of cattle, sheep, pig and chicken and I would expect you will provide each and every animal with an individual 10 x 15 foot pen (at a minimum, so they have space to play), and you will ensure each animal gets a 2-mile walk every day, until you can humanely kill them to harvest their meat. Now, I'll be waiting for your PM.You were the one advocating that animal euthanasia can never be justified, not me. No Don. I was pointing out the hypocrisy present in PETA. From my first post when I said that it was a case of liberals doing one thing and saying another, to my post stating that if you want all pets kept in a 10' x 15' pen then I want you to house all farm animals in the same condition, which we both know is impossible. Killing is killing. There is no good or bad form of it. Is it justified in some cases to ensure the survival of the human race, yes. Is the person who is killed by lethal injection any less dead than the one stabbed to death, no. PETA should either stop killing animals or stop attacking others for doing it. There is no humane way to kill off enough cows, chickens or pigs to keep our species going. If they want to become a for profit euthanasia service for shelters, fine. Just don't go complaining that a for profit service for making fur coats or slaughtering chicken the "wrong" way, and then sending their goons, in the form of the ALF to burn down their farms.Apparently your high horse isn't very high. You started out with two absurd statements: all liberals must support PETA in everything they do, and all killing, including humane euthanasia of terminally sick and suffering animals, is evil. When offered the opportunity to alleviate some of the problem by taking responsibility for these animals yourself, you respond with redirection and avoiding a straight answer. From this I conclude that your only objective was an immature attempt to tar "liberals" with your PETA brush. You don't really give a shit about "animal suffering", do you? You come across as someone who cares only about stroking your obsessive hatred of anyone and anything you label as "liberal". In your hatred, you shoot off words without the wit to even understand what you are saying, and when confronted with their plain meaning you retreat into obfuscation. If I followed your model, I'd conclude that all conservatives are similarly dysfunctional. Fortunately, I have the wit to know no one person stands for the entire group, and I have the privilege to know from personal experience that many conservatives are thoughtful, compassionate, intelligent adults. Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. 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Coreece 190 #59 February 28, 2012 Ok, I was gonna just keep this to myself but these type of replies keep adding up and I can't just let them lie. Is it just me or does anyone else see the irony in some of the postings from the anti-religious/liberals here. Let's take a look at the following quotes and reflect on how theses types of people typically respond in christian/gun threads. Quote "It's a case of one, very small, very specific group of people, doing something and it being reported with a heavy amount of bias by another very small, very specific group of people, that is against them." Most attacks against christianity here follow this same premise, but don't expect them to notice it as they shove their verbal bukaki down everyone's throat. Quote "You were the one advocating that animal euthanasia can never be justified, not me. I have not expressed a moral principle that every animal must be kept alive despite it's condition or prospects for a healthy pain-free live, despite the enormous expense. You were the one who said that. I assume you are a man of his word, someone who says what he means and means what he says. Am I wrong? I'd prefer to believe your posts reflect your actual moral beliefs and were not just an immature and unintelligent attempt to castigate liberals." This is typically the case when atheists condemn christians for not being more Christ-like while they themselves, understanding the virtue of Christ, do not live it within their own life. When you point this out to them they say....Well, you're the christian not me. Quote "When you state I must be in favor of genocide because I'm in favor of animal right, then you are an asshole." Just recently we had our resident hoplophobe basically accuse gunners of being in favor of mass murder because they were in favor of second amendment rights. I don't mean to go off on this little rabbit trail, but this shit just fuckin' fascinates me.(and no...I don't swear because I don't have any other words to use. I swear because they are the right words to use...well that and the fact that they're just fuckin' funny....they're just words people, chill.)Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 380 #60 February 28, 2012 Quote "You were the one advocating that animal euthanasia can never be justified, not me. I have not expressed a moral principle that every animal must be kept alive despite it's condition or prospects for a healthy pain-free live, despite the enormous expense. You were the one who said that. I assume you are a man of his word, someone who says what he means and means what he says. Am I wrong? I'd prefer to believe your posts reflect your actual moral beliefs and were not just an immature and unintelligent attempt to castigate liberals." Quote This is typically the case when atheists condemn christians for not being more Christ-like while they themselves, understanding the virtue of Christ, do not live it within their own life. When you point this out to them they say....Well, you're the christian not me. Whatever you've been smoking/imbibing/sticking up your colon, I don't want any of it. You're making even less sense than usual, if that's even possible. Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #61 February 28, 2012 Quote Whatever you've been smoking/imbibing/sticking up your colon, I don't want any of it. You're making even less sense than usual, if that's even possible. Ya, that one was a little more complicated, but at least you understood enough to be offended and make personal attacks...works for me. Have a nice day.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 380 #62 February 28, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote...Sob story.... Don I'll do that if you can find a way to feed the population of the United States using the same parameters you want to have with these dogs. I'll have every farmer send you every head of cattle, sheep, pig and chicken and I would expect you will provide each and every animal with an individual 10 x 15 foot pen (at a minimum, so they have space to play), and you will ensure each animal gets a 2-mile walk every day, until you can humanely kill them to harvest their meat. Now, I'll be waiting for your PM.You were the one advocating that animal euthanasia can never be justified, not me. No Don. I was pointing out the hypocrisy present in PETA. From my first post when I said that it was a case of liberals doing one thing and saying another, to my post stating that if you want all pets kept in a 10' x 15' pen then I want you to house all farm animals in the same condition, which we both know is impossible. Killing is killing. There is no good or bad form of it. Is it justified in some cases to ensure the survival of the human race, yes. Is the person who is killed by lethal injection any less dead than the one stabbed to death, no. PETA should either stop killing animals or stop attacking others for doing it. There is no humane way to kill off enough cows, chickens or pigs to keep our species going. If they want to become a for profit euthanasia service for shelters, fine. Just don't go complaining that a for profit service for making fur coats or slaughtering chicken the "wrong" way, and then sending their goons, in the form of the ALF to burn down their farms.Apparently your high horse isn't very high. You started out with two absurd statements: all liberals must support PETA in everything they do, and all killing, including humane euthanasia of terminally sick and suffering animals, is evil. When offered the opportunity to alleviate some of the problem by taking responsibility for these animals yourself, you respond with redirection and avoiding a straight answer. From this I conclude that your only objective was an immature attempt to tar "liberals" with your PETA brush. You don't really give a shit about "animal suffering", do you? You come across as someone who cares only about stroking your obsessive hatred of anyone and anything you label as "liberal". In your hatred, you shoot off words without the wit to even understand what you are saying, and when confronted with their plain meaning you retreat into obfuscation. If I followed your model, I'd conclude that all conservatives are similarly dysfunctional. Fortunately, I have the wit to know no one person stands for the entire group, and I have the privilege to know from personal experience that many conservatives are thoughtful, compassionate, intelligent adults. Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites