DanG 1 #26 February 27, 2012 QuoteFur companies are killing animals within the letter of the law. PETA attacks these companies because the FEEL it is wrong, They destroy property and businesses. PETA is an advocacy organization. I expect that they want the law changed. If you think a law is wrong, advocating to change it is the just thing to do. That's what PETA does. I'm not sure what property and business you are talking about, but if you think what they do is wrong, then you have every right to speak out about it. In fact, by attacking them, you're doing exactly what they're doing, you just have a different viewpoint. QuoteThey also kill animals letft and right. Thousands a year. This is also legal. I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy of it, as stated in my original point. Given your view that all killing is the same, I can see how you think providing euthanasia services is in conflict with opposing animal cruelty and abuse. Most people can make the distinction quite easily. QuoteFor the record I'm vehemently pro-life and vehemently pro death penalty. And you're faulting PETA for humanely killing unwanted pets while advocating against animal cruelty? I think your hypocrisy meter needs adjustment. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trafficdiver 8 #27 February 27, 2012 Quote I'm not sure what property and business you are talking about, With a straight face you can tell me that PETA is not involved in the red paint attacks on fur or the attacks on animal laboratories and fur farms that release thousands of animals, which ultimately die anyway... I'm sure you believe that Hamas isn't involved with the terrorist rockets or bombs against Israel, or that Sein Fein is not supporting the IRA when they bomb the Brits. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #28 February 27, 2012 QuoteWith a straight face you can tell me that PETA is not involved in the red paint attacks on fur or the attacks on animal laboratories and fur farms that release thousands of animals, which ultimately die anyway... Never said they weren't. I just said I wasn't sure what you were talking about. QuoteI'm sure you believe that Hamas isn't involved with the terrorist rockets or bombs against Israel, or that Sein Fein is not supporting the IRA when they bomb the Brits. Would you like to throw a Nazi reference in for good measure? - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trafficdiver 8 #29 February 27, 2012 QuoteQuoteWith a straight face you can tell me that PETA is not involved in the red paint attacks on fur or the attacks on animal laboratories and fur farms that release thousands of animals, which ultimately die anyway... Never said they weren't. I just said I wasn't sure what you were talking about. Wonderful, we agree on this point. The PETA slaughterhouse is no different than the pig farm, fur farm or animal farm, yet it uses destructive, illegal tactics to attack legal operations. How would you feel if the American Meat Institute used vast resources, those being much larger than PETA, to use destructive, underhanded tactics against PETA, which we both agree is legally euthanizing these animals. Would you support them as vehemently as you are supporting PETA? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #30 February 27, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteOnce again it's a case of liberals asking you to do what they say, not what they do. No. It's a case of one, very small, very specific group of people, doing something and it being reported with a heavy amount of bias by another very small, very specific group of people, that is against them. Wow. I was expecting a weak argument from the far leftists on this site, but I didn't expect it to be anywhere near this weak. You paint with very broad strokes. Certainly you don't think every person left of center supports PETA . . . do you?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #31 February 27, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote Once again it's a case of liberals asking you to do what they say, not what they do. No. It's a case of one, very small, very specific group of people, doing something and it being reported with a heavy amount of bias by another very small, very specific group of people, that is against them. Wow. I was expecting a weak argument from the far leftists on this site, but I didn't expect it to be anywhere near this weak. You paint with very broad strokes. Certainly you don't think every person left of center supports PETA . . . do you? why not? You think eveyone right of center supported everything Bush did"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #32 February 27, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteOnce again it's a case of liberals asking you to do what they say, not what they do. No. It's a case of one, very small, very specific group of people, doing something and it being reported with a heavy amount of bias by another very small, very specific group of people, that is against them. Wow. I was expecting a weak argument from the far leftists on this site, but I didn't expect it to be anywhere near this weak. You paint with very broad strokes. Certainly you don't think every person left of center supports PETA . . . do you? why not? You think... Let me assure you, you have no idea what I think.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #33 February 27, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteOnce again it's a case of liberals asking you to do what they say, not what they do. No. It's a case of one, very small, very specific group of people, doing something and it being reported with a heavy amount of bias by another very small, very specific group of people, that is against them. Wow. I was expecting a weak argument from the far leftists on this site, but I didn't expect it to be anywhere near this weak. You paint with very broad strokes. Certainly you don't think every person left of center supports PETA . . . do you? why not? You think... Let me assure you, you have no idea what I think. The irony of your posts today are just too blatant to pass up"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #34 February 27, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteOnce again it's a case of liberals asking you to do what they say, not what they do. No. It's a case of one, very small, very specific group of people, doing something and it being reported with a heavy amount of bias by another very small, very specific group of people, that is against them. Wow. I was expecting a weak argument from the far leftists on this site, but I didn't expect it to be anywhere near this weak. You paint with very broad strokes. Certainly you don't think every person left of center supports PETA . . . do you? why not? You think... Let me assure you, you have no idea what I think. The irony of your posts today are just too blatant to pass up And let me assure you, Rush, you have no idea how to comprehend a sentence. Now, expecting you to understand this one, THAT is irony.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #35 February 27, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Once again it's a case of liberals asking you to do what they say, not what they do. No. It's a case of one, very small, very specific group of people, doing something and it being reported with a heavy amount of bias by another very small, very specific group of people, that is against them. Wow. I was expecting a weak argument from the far leftists on this site, but I didn't expect it to be anywhere near this weak. You paint with very broad strokes. Certainly you don't think every person left of center supports PETA . . . do you? why not? You think... Let me assure you, you have no idea what I think. The irony of your posts today are just too blatant to pass up And let me assure you, Rush, you have no idea how to comprehend a sentence. Now, expecting you to understand this one, THAT is irony. Irony AND hypocrisy Just dripping in it"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #36 February 27, 2012 Rush, get a life.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trafficdiver 8 #37 February 27, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteOnce again it's a case of liberals asking you to do what they say, not what they do. No. It's a case of one, very small, very specific group of people, doing something and it being reported with a heavy amount of bias by another very small, very specific group of people, that is against them. Wow. I was expecting a weak argument from the far leftists on this site, but I didn't expect it to be anywhere near this weak. You paint with very broad strokes. Certainly you don't think every person left of center supports PETA . . . do you? Not every liberal supports PETA, but every PETA supporter is a liberal. Ok to be fair 99.8% of them are, Certainly, you don't think PETA would exist if it had to depend upon the donations of those on the right of center, do you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #38 February 27, 2012 QuoteThe PETA slaughterhouse is no different than the pig farm, fur farm or animal farm... I assure you, euthanasia of cats and dogs is very, very much different than slaughterhouse operations. Animal right activists are generally not against killing animals for human use. They are against poor living conditions, unethical slaughter methods, and unnecessary cruelty. They believe that some businesses, such as the fur trade, are inherently unethical. As I said before, a killing is not a killing. Torturing an animal for its entire life and then killing it to get its skin is not the same as treating it with respect and then killing it humanely. The killing itself is not the main problem. QuoteHow would you feel if the American Meat Institute used vast resources, those being much larger than PETA, to use destructive, underhanded tactics against PETA... Which underhanded tactics are you talking about now? How are a few readicals throwing paint on fur wearers undermining the American Meat Institute? We get it, you don't like PETA. If you could make a cogent argument maybe you'll convince more people to think like you. BTW, I don't support PETA's tactics in many areas. I don't donate money to them. I do, however, support their overall goal, which is promoting the ethical treatment of animals. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #39 February 28, 2012 Your pathological obsession with the word "liberal" may be a manifestation of Tourette's Syndrome. Consult a physician. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,173 #40 February 28, 2012 >Not every liberal supports PETA, but every PETA supporter is a liberal. And every Westboro Baptist supporter is a conservative. There are kooks on both sides. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #41 February 28, 2012 QuoteMore of the good liberal value system. Animal Rights Activist Meredith Lowel Solicited Contract Killer To Murder Person Who Wore Fur http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/21/animal-rights-activist-hire-hitman_n_1292394.html "You need to bring a gun that has a silencer on it and that can be easily concealed in your pants pocket or coat. ... " Now wait a minute, a true liberal wouldn't have been asking someone to bring a gun. Taking everyone's guns away is much higher on the liberal agenda than protecting animals. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trafficdiver 8 #42 February 28, 2012 Quote I assure you, euthanasia of cats and dogs is very, very much different than slaughterhouse operations. Well now that you have assured me I feel so much better. I'm sure those animals that peta slaughters are good killed unlike those for furs who are bad killed. Yeah, doesn't make sense to me either. QuoteAnimal right activists are generally not against killing animals for human use. They are against poor living conditions, unethical slaughter methods, and unnecessary cruelty. I've yet to hear them defend any meat or fur producing out let. You mean they only like it when the animals are petted on the head before the pneumatic hammer smashes in their skull? Furthermore, it seems any death of an animal, that will eventually benefit a human is bad, while any death of an animal that will keep their back yards free of feral cats is good. I'd like for you to point out the killing of any animal for human consumption, or for the safety of humans, that they have defended. QuoteThey believe that some businesses, such as the fur trade, are inherently unethical. So no matter how an animal is killed for fur, even if it is by the same methods that they kill "bad pets" it's still unethical? I'm going to have to stick to my beliefs that they are hypocritical. I have seen veal farms in Vermont where the calves are treated like gold until they are killed. Yet mention veal around a PETA supporter and you will be shouted down, no room for debate on that, they believe that veal production is inherently evil. Period. Quote As I said before, a killing is not a killing. Killing a cat because it doesn't have a home is ok. Killing a fox because it has been raised to become a fur is bad. I get it. You're smarter than than the average redneck hick, so you can choose which killings are justified. I'm sure you could justify wiping out entire races and I'd be hard pressed to defend against it, though I would try till the end. Quote Which underhanded tactics are you talking about now? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Animal_Liberation_Front_actions PETA is the good side of the coin, ALF is the bad. Much like Sin Fein / IRA. Similar psycho's, similar tactics. QuoteYour pathological obsession with the word "liberal" may be a manifestation of Tourette's Syndrome. Consult a physician. I have never heard you defend a position in SC with anything other than a snide, unintelligent comment. So here's one back Q: What's the definition of wasted space? A: A 50 seat bus going over a cliff with 49 lawyers on it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Remster 30 #43 February 28, 2012 QuoteTaking everyone's guns away is much higher on the liberal agenda than protecting animals. Don't forget forcing all women to have abortions.Remster Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,173 #44 February 28, 2012 >Don't forget forcing all women to have abortions. And mandatory gay weddings for your kids. Who will, of course, be freezing in the dark anyway. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trafficdiver 8 #45 February 28, 2012 QuoteQuoteTaking everyone's guns away is much higher on the liberal agenda than protecting animals. Don't forget forcing all women to have abortions. There are 3000 abortions in America every day. Planned Parenthood slaughters fetuses much more efficiently than PETA slaughters feral cats. I'm glad you find it funny, bet you voted for Obama too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #46 February 28, 2012 Quote . . . bet you voted for Obama too. Surely no one was silly enough to allow Remster to vote in this country!(???) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #47 February 28, 2012 Quote Quote Taking everyone's guns away is much higher on the liberal agenda than protecting animals. Don't forget forcing all women to have abortions. It's ok sweetheart, there's nothing wrong with killing your child....we'll support your selfish hedonism....come, join us. Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #48 February 28, 2012 QuoteWell now that you have assured me I feel so much better. I'm sure those animals that peta slaughters are good killed unlike those for furs who are bad killed. Yeah, doesn't make sense to me either. Cats and dogs are euthanized by intravenous injection. If you've ever had a pet put to sleep, you know it is a humane method. The same can't always be said for fur or meat animals. QuoteI've yet to hear them defend any meat or fur producing out let. You mean they only like it when the animals are petted on the head before the pneumatic hammer smashes in their skull? No, they only like it when the animal is allowed to live a decent life. That means not confined in a pen it can't turn around in, fed other dead animals, tortured by sadistic workers, and killed in a humane way. QuoteSo no matter how an animal is killed for fur, even if it is by the same methods that they kill "bad pets" it's still unethical? I'm going to have to stick to my beliefs that they are hypocritical. Yeah, like I said, the making something dead is not the real issue. Quote I'm sure you could justify wiping out entire races and I'd be hard pressed to defend against it, though I would try till the end. WTF is your problem? Get a grip, asshole. QuotePETA is the good side of the coin, ALF is the bad. Much like Sin Fein / IRA. Similar psycho's, similar tactics. Oh wait, so it's not really PETA you're against? It's the ALF? You really need to get a fucking clue. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trafficdiver 8 #49 February 28, 2012 Quote WTF is your problem? Get a grip, asshole. Dan, watch what you call me. If you want to justify your leftist groups killing animals, on the basis that they do it in a "humane" way, you can justify your leftist groups killing humans in a humane way, too. Do you support euthanizing mentally ill if they are abused for their entire lives and can not live in society? What if they are given an intravenous injection? QuoteYeah, like I said, the making something dead is not the real issue. You seem very nonchalant about killing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GeorgiaDon 407 #50 February 28, 2012 QuoteQuote I assure you, euthanasia of cats and dogs is very, very much different than slaughterhouse operations. Well now that you have assured me I feel so much better. I'm sure those animals that peta slaughters are good killed unlike those for furs who are bad killed. Yeah, doesn't make sense to me either. QuoteAnimal right activists are generally not against killing animals for human use. They are against poor living conditions, unethical slaughter methods, and unnecessary cruelty. ... Furthermore, it seems any death of an animal, that will eventually benefit a human is bad, while any death of an animal that will keep their back yards free of feral cats is good. ... Quote As I said before, a killing is not a killing. Killing a cat because it doesn't have a home is ok. Killing a fox because it has been raised to become a fur is bad. I get it. You're smarter than than the average redneck hick, so you can choose which killings are justified. I'm sure you could justify wiping out entire races and I'd be hard pressed to defend against it, though I would try till the end. ... QuoteYour pathological obsession with the word "liberal" may be a manifestation of Tourette's Syndrome. Consult a physician. QuoteI have never heard you defend a position in SC with anything other than a snide, unintelligent comment. ...Last week my wife (who does not work for PETA) had to euthanize a 14-year-old dog that was blind, deaf, incontinent, partially paralyzed, and had a tumor the size of an orange growing on its spine. The owner is facing possible animal cruelty charges for allowing such a sick animal to go without any veterinary care, despite being in obvious pain and distress for a long time. Kindly provide your address so I can ensure any such animals are sent to you in the future. I am gratified to know that you will spend tens of thousands of dollars for vet care for each and every one of them, even thought in most cases the best case scenario is an extra couple of months of life. I will also be sending a large number of dogs and cats that are so feral/food aggressive that it would be a very bad idea to ever try to touch them, and they have to be fed by pushing their food bowl to them with a pole. I do strongly recommend you get a titer check on your pre-exposure rabies vaccination, and make sure your medical insurance covers plastic surgery for facial reconstruction. I hope you have a very large property, as we will be sending a couple of hundred animals per year. It's a good thing our local shelter is able to return to owner or adopt out over 85% of the animals that are taken in, or the numbers would be much higher. Of course you will provide each and every animal with an individual 10 x 15 foot pen (at a minimum, so they have space to play), and you will ensure each dog gets a 2-mile walk every day, for the rest of their natural lives. I eagerly await a PM with your address so I can begin sending these poor animals asap. I'm so relieved to know we will never have to euthanize another dog or cat, no matter how sick or how expensive to treat. The staff at the shelter will be ecstatic to know they won't have to euthanize any more, as they really hate doing that. Thanks again for your generosity. Don_____________________________________ Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996) “Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 Next Page 2 of 3 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
