mnealtx 0 #51 February 22, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteBecause he's a LEADER in the organization. He's one of the founders? Where did he claim that? Forgot your reading glasses today? I don't need reading glasses to figure out that a Ride Captain wouldn't be setting policy for a nat'l organization. It's a voluntary leadership role, ergo he is a leader and implicitly approves of their policies, or he would quit. Which STILL does not mean that he sets policy as to whom is honored or not. . Where did I write that he sets policy? You need to get reading glasses. You're equating PGR policies to whom he personally considers heroes and you emphasize that he's a LEADER in the organization. QED...and you're not fooling anyone regardless of how clever you THINK you're being.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #52 February 22, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteBecause he's a LEADER in the organization. He's one of the founders? Where did he claim that? Forgot your reading glasses today? I don't need reading glasses to figure out that a Ride Captain wouldn't be setting policy for a nat'l organization. It's a voluntary leadership role, ergo he is a leader and implicitly approves of their policies, or he would quit. Which STILL does not mean that he sets policy as to whom is honored or not. . Where did I write that he sets policy? You need to get reading glasses. Isn't the definition of a leader someone who sets policies? More of the stupid word games we have come to expect when defending lame positions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #53 February 22, 2012 I just tuned back in and to my surprise discovered your tangent argument. You seem to be constructing a lot of smoke and mirrors here. To set you straight about the PGR, here is the link to their website. http://www.patriotguard.org/ Patriot Guard Riders Mission Statement The Patriot Guard Riders is a diverse amalgamation of riders from across the nation. We have one thing in common besides motorcycles. We have an unwavering respect for those who risk their very lives for America’s freedom and security. If you share this respect, please join us. We don’t care what you ride or if you ride, what your political views are, or whether you’re a hawk or a dove. It is not a requirement that you be a veteran. It doesn't matter where you’re from or what your income is; you don’t even have to ride. The only prerequisite is Respect. Our main mission is to attend the funeral services of fallen American heroes as invited guests of the family. Each mission we undertake has two basic objectives: Show our sincere respect for our fallen heroes, their families, and their communities. Shield the mourning family and their friends from interruptions created by any protestor or group of protestors. We accomplish the latter through strictly legal and non-violent means. To those of you who are currently serving and fighting for the freedoms of others, at home and abroad, please know that we are backing you. We honor and support you with every mission we carry out, and we are praying for a safe return home for all. Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,131 #54 February 22, 2012 Sounds good to me.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,131 #55 February 22, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteBecause he's a LEADER in the organization. He's one of the founders? Where did he claim that? Forgot your reading glasses today? I don't need reading glasses to figure out that a Ride Captain wouldn't be setting policy for a nat'l organization. It's a voluntary leadership role, ergo he is a leader and implicitly approves of their policies, or he would quit. Which STILL does not mean that he sets policy as to whom is honored or not. . Where did I write that he sets policy? You need to get reading glasses. You're equating PGR policies to whom he personally considers heroes and you emphasize that he's a LEADER in the organization. QED...and you're not fooling anyone regardless of how clever you THINK you're being. Nope. Your strawman generator is failing you.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #56 February 22, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteBecause he's a LEADER in the organization. He's one of the founders? Where did he claim that? Forgot your reading glasses today? I don't need reading glasses to figure out that a Ride Captain wouldn't be setting policy for a nat'l organization. It's a voluntary leadership role, ergo he is a leader and implicitly approves of their policies, or he would quit. Which STILL does not mean that he sets policy as to whom is honored or not. . Where did I write that he sets policy? You need to get reading glasses. You're equating PGR policies to whom he personally considers heroes and you emphasize that he's a LEADER in the organization. QED...and you're not fooling anyone regardless of how clever you THINK you're being. Nope. Your strawman generator is failing you. Given the 'smoke and mirrors' post from Ron directly above, looks like your name on that generator - not that we didn't already know that.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #57 February 22, 2012 Easy to write insensitive stuff. People have connections to artist because they have ellicited feelings. People specially like to see tragedy and tend to hate generally good people. Just look at how a guy like Tim Tebow gets treated. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #58 February 28, 2012 Quote Easy to write insensitive stuff. People have connections to artist because they have ellicited feelings. People specially like to see tragedy and tend to hate generally good people. Just look at how a guy like Tim Tebow gets treated. The truth hurts sometimes, but it is still the truth, insensitive or not. Just like I said, all of the people who knew her personally should feel ashamed of themselves for not intervening sooner. People calling her a hero for a life of abuse are ridiculous. And for the record I'm a huge Tebow fan History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #59 February 28, 2012 QuoteJust like I said, all of the people who knew her personally should feel ashamed of themselves for not intervening sooner. People calling her a hero for a life of abuse are ridiculous. Maybe, but when you know somebody personally, things change in your perception. There are enough examples on this site of people who laud the accomplishments of people who have died due to stupidity or poor decision making. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blkhwk91b 0 #60 February 29, 2012 I just simply want to congratulate Whitney on approximately 19 days of sobriety(as of 03/01/2012). CONGRATS WHITNEY!!"Better to have a short life that is full of what you like doing, than a long life spent in a miserable way." - Alan Watts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GQ_jumper 4 #61 March 3, 2012 I think the picture I attached to my original post should explain my reasons for harboring the feelings that I do. Maybe its just the fact that my stomach churns when I here someone who threw away what could have been a long amazing life being referred to as a "hero". I have had a lot of friends die honorable deaths and are going to be nothing more than a dent in a memorial someday and be forgotten by everyone apart from their immediate family. So I am not willing to apologize for expressing my feelings regarding her passing. As I said in my original post, you have one life to live, try not to fuck it up. And to add, when you do, don't expect any sympathy.History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. --Dwight D. Eisenhower Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #62 March 3, 2012 I don't think you need to aplogize for anything you said. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #63 March 3, 2012 QuoteI have had a lot of friends die honorable deaths and are going to be nothing more than a dent in a memorial someday and be forgotten by everyone apart from their immediate family. And hopefully their immediate family did not have to read comments about who stupid their family member was, and how stupid they were for alowing their family member to make stupid decisions. The public outpooring of grief also comes with a heaping spoonfull of deliberate hurt and insensitivity. The knife cuts both ways.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MikeJD 0 #64 March 7, 2012 QuoteEvery single fire fighter in the country is a hero? No, and nor is is every serviceman or woman. Many of them are heroes: some of them are downright nasty pieces of work. And of course celebrity alone - or even having produced a memorable song or two - is no justification for a public outpouring of grief on someone's demise. The knee-jerk reaction of automatically revering or condemning members of certain professions baffles and depresses me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #65 March 22, 2012 It's official. QuoteThe cause of singer Whitney Houston's death was drowning and the "effects of atherosclerotic heart disease and cocaine use," the Los Angeles County coroner's office said Thursday. She was found dead last month in the bathtub of her hotel room in Beverly Hills, California. The manner of death was listed as an "accident." Cocaine and metabolites were identified and contributory to her death, the report said. Other drugs identified in Houston's body were marijuana, alprazolam (Xanax), cyclobenzaprine (Flexeril) and diphenhydramine (Benadryl), but they "did not contribute to the death," the report said. Flexeril is a muscle relaxant, and Benadryl is an allergy medicine. No trauma or foul play is suspected, the report said. The final coroner's report will be available within two weeks, the coroner's office said. http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/22/coroner-drowning-heart-disease-cocaine-use-killed-houston/comment-page-1/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rwieder 0 #66 March 22, 2012 Man that's got to be a heck of a way to go out of this lfe into the next. I'd hate to meet up w/ St. Peter at the pearly gates stoned. -Richard- "You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oldwomanc6 60 #67 March 23, 2012 Quote Man that's got to be a heck of a way to go out of this lfe into the next. I'd hate to meet up w/ St. Peter at the pearly gates stoned. Although, depending on where he points... Maybe a little buffer might be helpful for the transition.lisa WSCR 594 FB 1023 CBDB 9 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blkhwk91b 0 #68 March 24, 2012 I just want to congratulate Whitney on about 6 weeks of sobriety!!!!(restoring my connection to Hollywood) "Better to have a short life that is full of what you like doing, than a long life spent in a miserable way." - Alan Watts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 35 #69 March 24, 2012 Quote I just want to congratulate Whitney on about 6 weeks of sobriety!!!!(restoring my connection to Hollywood) Sobriety? She's got to be completely pickled by now... "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rwieder 0 #70 March 24, 2012 Quote Sobriety? She's got to be completely pickled by now... Of course she is, she's embalmed.-Richard- "You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #71 March 24, 2012 QuoteI think the picture I attached to my original post should explain my reasons for harboring the feelings that I do. I hope that pic is from a movie or something, because else it's cheap exploitation of an (semi-)orphaned boy, to make a rather nonsensical emotion-based point on a forum. Yes, we get that Whitney Houston basically killed herself, but most people don't feel the need to parade a traumatized boy around to make that point. The idea that Whitney's friends/family should feel guilty is at best offensive. If someone is that self-destructive, there's really not much you can do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
