wmw999 2,550 #26 February 18, 2012 From Wikipedia Quote United States: In 2003, from data collected in those areas that sufficiently reported gestational age, it was found that 6.2% of abortions were conducted from 13 to 15 weeks, 4.2% from 16 to 20 weeks, and 1.4% at or after 21 weeks. Because the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's annual study on abortion statistics does not calculate the exact gestational age for abortions performed past the 20th week, there are no precise data for the number of abortions performed after viability. In 1997, the Guttmacher Institute estimated the number of abortions in the U.S. past 24 weeks to be 0.08%, or approximately 1,032 per year. How many of those after 20 weeks were for either maternal health or for non-viable deformities? Those numbers aren't recorded. But I'll bet it's a significant chunk of them. My personal feelings are that it should be available; until 16 weeks (which is definitely before viability) without special dispensation or whatever, and after that time it would require some form of review or something. If men got pregnant, I wonder how the debate would go. Of course, that question belongs in the other thread.Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #27 February 18, 2012 Quote How many of those after 20 weeks were for either maternal health or for non-viable deformities? Those numbers aren't recorded. But I'll bet it's a significant chunk of them. Given that the numbers listed only add up to 11.8%, there's a huge range that may or may not be due to maternal health, non-viable deformities or other reasons. Quote My personal feelings are that it should be available; until 16 weeks (which is definitely before viability) without special dispensation or whatever, and after that time it would require some form of review or something. That seems reasonable - which means, of course, that it will *NEVER* be considered. Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,112 #28 February 18, 2012 QuoteQuoteAhhhh - hypocrisy in the name of God. Awesome. Using scripture like a drunk uses a lamp-post - for support instead of illlumination. Awesome. QuoteLuke 6:37. Or how about, Thou Shalt not Kill. Actually, the original language is 'Thou Shalt Not Murder'. Wow, God spoke to Moses in ENGLISH!!! Just fancy that!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,112 #29 February 18, 2012 Quote If men got pregnant, I wonder how the debate would go. Of course, that question belongs in the other thread.Wendy P. Since Santorum is on record saying that sex is for procreative purposes (and therefore contraception is wrong), it would follow that women past menopause (and their husbands) should abstain from sex.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SStewart 13 #30 February 19, 2012 Quote Quote If men got pregnant, I wonder how the debate would go. Of course, that question belongs in the other thread.Wendy P. Since Santorum is on record saying that sex is for procreative purposes (and therefore contraception is wrong), it would follow that women past menopause (and their husbands) should abstain from sex. Which means he won't make love to his wife anymore. What a dickless fucktard!Onward and Upward! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airtwardo 7 #31 February 19, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Ahhhh - hypocrisy in the name of God. Awesome. Using scripture like a drunk uses a lamp-post - for support instead of illlumination. Awesome. Quote Luke 6:37. Or how about, Thou Shalt not Kill. Actually, the original language is 'Thou Shalt Not Murder'. Wow, God spoke to Moses in ENGLISH!!! Just fancy that! prolly sent a text... ~ If you choke a Smurf, what color does it turn? ~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zymurdoo 0 #32 February 19, 2012 QuoteSantorum on birth control Too bad his mother wasn't.Blue Skies, Soft Docks and Happy Landings! CWR #23 (It's called CRW, add an e if you like, but I ain't calling it CFS. FU FAI!) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobMoore 0 #33 February 19, 2012 QuoteThe bible tends to be a very good judge of character and acts like a mirror to expose who you really are. A book can do all that?"For you see, an airplane is an airplane. A landing area is a landing area. But a dropzone... a dropzone is the people." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #34 February 19, 2012 Quote Since Santorum is on record saying that sex is for procreative purposes (and therefore contraception is wrong), it would follow that women past menopause (and their husbands) should abstain from sex. That's a good one! Why didn't I think of that, damn-it? The simplistic genius of old farts never ceases to amaze me...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #35 February 19, 2012 Quote Quote The bible tends to be a very good judge of character and acts like a mirror to expose who you really are. A book can do all that? Oh yes, absolutely...but don't take my word for it... Reading Rainbow: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6j8EiWIVZsYour secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #36 February 19, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote Ahhhh - hypocrisy in the name of God. Awesome. Using scripture like a drunk uses a lamp-post - for support instead of illlumination. Awesome. Quote Luke 6:37. Or how about, Thou Shalt not Kill. Actually, the original language is 'Thou Shalt Not Murder'. Wow, God spoke to Moses in ENGLISH!!! Just fancy that! prolly sent a text... Actually, Thou shalt not murder is the literal translation Makes a big difference"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,112 #37 February 19, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Ahhhh - hypocrisy in the name of God. Awesome. Using scripture like a drunk uses a lamp-post - for support instead of illlumination. Awesome. Quote Luke 6:37. Or how about, Thou Shalt not Kill. Actually, the original language is 'Thou Shalt Not Murder'. Wow, God spoke to Moses in ENGLISH!!! Just fancy that! prolly sent a text... Actually, Thou shalt not murder is the literal translation Makes a big difference Oh, so now you are a Hebrew expert too. I guess it matches your expertise in spelling. REAL Hebrew experts do not make such a simplistic analysis as you death penalty enthusiasts.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #38 February 19, 2012 Quote Actually, Thou shalt not murder is the literal translation Makes a big difference Did a word exist in ancient Hebrew for kill, separate from the word for murder? Do you have a reference? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sammer 0 #39 February 19, 2012 QuoteQuote Actually, Thou shalt not murder is the literal translation Makes a big difference Did a word exist in ancient Hebrew for kill, separate from the word for murder? Do you have a reference? Yes, at least that's what some of the ancient Hebrew experts think: http://people.ucalgary.ca/~elsegal/Shokel/001102_ThouShaltNotMurder.html This came up in conversation with a friend over here who really is a Hebrew language expert and she gave me a similar explanation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 284 #41 February 19, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Ahhhh - hypocrisy in the name of God. Awesome. Using scripture like a drunk uses a lamp-post - for support instead of illlumination. Awesome. Quote Luke 6:37. Or how about, Thou Shalt not Kill. Actually, the original language is 'Thou Shalt Not Murder'. Wow, God spoke to Moses in ENGLISH!!! Just fancy that! Too easy.Never try to eat more than you can lift Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
devildog 0 #42 February 20, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuote Actually, Thou shalt not murder is the literal translation Makes a big difference Did a word exist in ancient Hebrew for kill, separate from the word for murder? Do you have a reference? Yes, at least that's what some of the ancient Hebrew experts think: http://people.ucalgary.ca/~elsegal/Shokel/001102_ThouShaltNotMurder.html This came up in conversation with a friend over here who really is a Hebrew language expert and she gave me a similar explanation. You don't even need to be an expert. First semester Hebrew students learn what rasah means.You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SStewart 13 #43 February 20, 2012 What is really amazing is that grown adults in the 21st century still argue about ancient folk tales from the bronze age as if they have any basis in reality.Onward and Upward! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobMoore 0 #44 February 20, 2012 QuoteWhat is really amazing is that grown adults in the 21st century still argue about ancient folk tales from the bronze age as if they have any basis in reality. Hey, it's in print. It has to be true."For you see, an airplane is an airplane. A landing area is a landing area. But a dropzone... a dropzone is the people." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SStewart 13 #45 February 20, 2012 QuoteQuoteWhat is really amazing is that grown adults in the 21st century still argue about ancient folk tales from the bronze age as if they have any basis in reality. Hey, it's in print. It has to be true. Exactly, if the bible is proof of god then the Lord of the Rings is proof that Hobbits lived in the ShireOnward and Upward! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #46 February 20, 2012 QuoteWhat is really amazing is that grown adults in the 21st century still argue about ancient folk tales from the bronze age as if they have any basis in reality. I know, right? I mean c'mon...thou shalt not kill? How ridiculous is that, eh?Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SStewart 13 #47 February 20, 2012 Not ridiculous at all. Good advice really. The ridiculous part is that "god" carved it into stone tablets and spoke from a burning bush.Onward and Upward! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #48 February 20, 2012 Ya, maybe it would've been more effective if he used paper and spoke in the form of a man...but chances are if some dude came up to you and told you he's God, you wouldn't believe him, but a burning bush on the other hand may be a little more convincing!Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobMoore 0 #49 February 20, 2012 QuoteYa, maybe it would've been more effective if he used paper and spoke in the form of a man...but chances are if some dude came up to you and told you he's God, you wouldn't believe him, but a burning bush on the other hand may be a little more convincing! A burning bush, no so dramatic. A talking burning bush, something P. T. Barnum would die to get his hands on."For you see, an airplane is an airplane. A landing area is a landing area. But a dropzone... a dropzone is the people." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SStewart 13 #50 February 20, 2012 I see, so it was all for theatrical effect. So you would have no problem with "god" giving Joe Smith golden tablets by a courier named Moroni? Either story is just as likely.Onward and Upward! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
