another nutter with a gun

[kallend 2,148]

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Innumeracy is as dangerous for our society as illiteracy. The innumerate in this forum have declared themselves.

You have shown your inability to have a discussion once again..... You seem to think a failure rate of 1% is a big problem.

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If 1% of skydives ends in a fatality, we have a BIG problem. If 1% of airplanes crash and kill their occupants, we have a BIG problem. If 1% of cars kill, BIG problem. If 1% of swimmers are eaten by sharks at a given beach, BIG problem.

1% failure rate that leads to DEATH is a BIG problem.

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[kallend 2,148]

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Headoverheels has already done it. Try reading instead of ranting.

Got it, you are unable to back up your crap... Like normal

It was someone posting as "DaVinci" who made the claim that 99.999999% of gun owners didn't shoot anyone that day. A claim he made without proof, and a claim that is FALSE as Headoverheels already showed.

But thank you for confirming your innumeracy.

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[kallend 2,148]

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The innumerate in this forum have declared themselves.

Like where you said a 1% fail rate was 'piss poor', you mean?

www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hztXIBuN1ZWUvDZBE7Pq41lejdLw?docId=2c15575fa3a34a4a91bd90b0dc0eaf44

But it's OK, just part of the 1% that you find acceptable.

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[mnealtx 0]

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The innumerate in this forum have declared themselves.

Like where you said a 1% fail rate was 'piss poor', you mean?

www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hztXIBuN1ZWUvDZBE7Pq41lejdLw?docId=2c15575fa3a34a4a91bd90b0dc0eaf44

But it's OK, just part of the 1% that you find acceptable.

"That old familiar lie"

But it's OK, just another bloody shirt for you to wave while you continue to advocate for them to have no effective defense against a murderer.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[kallend 2,148]

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The innumerate in this forum have declared themselves.

Like where you said a 1% fail rate was 'piss poor', you mean?

www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hztXIBuN1ZWUvDZBE7Pq41lejdLw?docId=2c15575fa3a34a4a91bd90b0dc0eaf44

But it's OK, just part of the 1% that you find acceptable.

"That old familiar lie"

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I doubt the victims of these nutters think it a lie. I doubt they are as accepting of failure to keep guns away from nutters as you, rushmc, JR and DaVinci.

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[JohnRich 4]

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I doubt the victims of these nutters think it a lie. I doubt they are as accepting of failure to keep guns away from nutters as you, rushmc, JR and DaVinci.

First skydeker puts words in our mouth and accuses us of something that isn't true, and now you're doing it. What is it with you gun-o-phobes that when there's a shooting, you want to blame everyone who didn't do it? Yeah, it's all our fault that those kids in Ohio were shot today.

Accusing pro-gun rights people of being complicit in the deaths of children: It's a despicable accusation, and you should be ashamed of yourself for doing it. Should be, but won't, because there's nothing too radical for the gun-o-phobes.

I don't want people who operate with that kind of irrational emotional logic, to be entrusted with my freedoms, nor the safety of schoolchildren.

[DaVinci 0]

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It was someone posting as "DaVinci" who made the claim that 99.999999% of gun owners didn't shoot anyone that day. A claim he made without proof, and a claim that is FALSE as Headoverheels already showed.

But thank you for confirming your innumeracy.

YOU have failed to back up your numbers proving otherwise, Headoverheels has not shown a number either and you are just tagging onto his pulled out of the thin air claim...... Not difficult good doctor... PROVE YOUR CLAIM that my number is incorrect. Not just BS, PROVE it.

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If 1% of skydives ends in a fatality, we have a BIG problem. If 1% of airplanes crash and kill their occupants, we have a BIG problem. If 1% of cars kill, BIG problem. If 1% of swimmers are eaten by sharks at a given beach, BIG problem.

1% failure rate that leads to DEATH is a BIG problem.

Ah, so you admit that you are promoting increased regulations against 99% of the lawful owners of an inanimate object due to the actions of 1% that ILLEGALLY use that object.

But you ignore the fact that it is not the object that makes the difference, but the ACTIONS of the person.

Typically, you ignore the important things and instead focus on your fear of an object.

[DaVinci 0]

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I doubt the victims of these nutters think it a lie. I doubt they are as accepting of failure to keep guns away from nutters as you, rushmc, JR and DaVinci.

Well the link I clicked took me to the pentagon shooter.... If you actually read it....

"The California man who was killed in a shootout with Pentagon police had a history of mental illness and had become so erratic that his parents reached out to local authorities weeks ago with a warning that he was unstable and might have a gun, authorities said Friday.... Family friend Reb Monaco said Kaye Bedell asked the officer to take him to a mental health facility, but that the son refused. The patrolman let Bedell go with a warning. "

Huh, find ONE person who has said this guy should have been allowed to own a gun... ONE.

1. Fact is that you just want to make it damn near impossible for lawful owners to own a gun. You want to impose restrictions on them that you would not allow for your toy rocket motors.

2. These restrictions you want are impossible to know since you refuse to simply state what they are.

3. You (presumably) want to use legislation and restrictions that have show not to do anything. IE, Canada and the registration program that cost 160 Million a year and solved ZERO crimes. And Chicago, DC, and Mexico's gun bans... amazingly all have higher than normal gun crimes.

You arguments are devoid of logic. Your solutions are so terrible that you will not even man up and state what they are. In addition, your best debate tactic is to insult and misdirect.

In conclusion.... You are clearly a person who refuses to look at logic when it comes to guns. Your fear makes you rant without data and spout mythical 'solutions' that you refuse to clarify. When faced with a challenge you are unable to answer with intellect, you resort to distraction and personal attacks.

Fear clearly has control over you on this subject.

[kallend 2,148]

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It was someone posting as "DaVinci" who made the claim that 99.999999% of gun owners didn't shoot anyone that day. A claim he made without proof, and a claim that is FALSE as Headoverheels already showed.

But thank you for confirming your innumeracy.

YOU have failed to back up your numbers proving otherwise,.

MY numbers? YOU made the claim of 99.999999%. The numbers are YOURS. The burden of proof is on YOU (although anyone with a modicum of math skill can see that your numbers are hopelessly wrong).

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[kallend 2,148]

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I doubt the victims of these nutters think it a lie. I doubt they are as accepting of failure to keep guns away from nutters as you, rushmc, JR and DaVinci.

Well the link I clicked took me to the pentagon shooter.... If you actually read it....

"The California man who was killed in a shootout with Pentagon police had a history of mental illness and had become so erratic that his parents reached out to local authorities weeks ago with a warning that he was unstable and might have a gun, authorities said Friday.... Family friend Reb Monaco said Kaye Bedell asked the officer to take him to a mental health facility, but that the son refused. The patrolman let Bedell go with a warning. "

Thank you for MAKING MY CASE. The system as it stands is quite incapable of dealing with these folks. The system is useless, because people like YOU want it that way.

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[rushmc 23]

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I doubt the victims of these nutters think it a lie. I doubt they are as accepting of failure to keep guns away from nutters as you, rushmc, JR and DaVinci.

Well the link I clicked took me to the pentagon shooter.... If you actually read it....

"The California man who was killed in a shootout with Pentagon police had a history of mental illness and had become so erratic that his parents reached out to local authorities weeks ago with a warning that he was unstable and might have a gun, authorities said Friday.... Family friend Reb Monaco said Kaye Bedell asked the officer to take him to a mental health facility, but that the son refused. The patrolman let Bedell go with a warning. "

Thank you for MAKING MY CASE. The system as it stands is quite incapable of dealing with these folks. The system is useless, because people like YOU want it that way.

And your solution is?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,148]

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I doubt the victims of these nutters think it a lie. I doubt they are as accepting of failure to keep guns away from nutters as you, rushmc, JR and DaVinci.

Well the link I clicked took me to the pentagon shooter.... If you actually read it....

"The California man who was killed in a shootout with Pentagon police had a history of mental illness and had become so erratic that his parents reached out to local authorities weeks ago with a warning that he was unstable and might have a gun, authorities said Friday.... Family friend Reb Monaco said Kaye Bedell asked the officer to take him to a mental health facility, but that the son refused. The patrolman let Bedell go with a warning. "

Thank you for MAKING MY CASE. The system as it stands is quite incapable of dealing with these folks. The system is useless, because people like YOU want it that way.

And your solution is?

Step 1 - get people like YOU, mnealtx, DaVinci... to stop denying that there's a problem.

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[rushmc 23]

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I doubt the victims of these nutters think it a lie. I doubt they are as accepting of failure to keep guns away from nutters as you, rushmc, JR and DaVinci.

Well the link I clicked took me to the pentagon shooter.... If you actually read it....

"The California man who was killed in a shootout with Pentagon police had a history of mental illness and had become so erratic that his parents reached out to local authorities weeks ago with a warning that he was unstable and might have a gun, authorities said Friday.... Family friend Reb Monaco said Kaye Bedell asked the officer to take him to a mental health facility, but that the son refused. The patrolman let Bedell go with a warning. "

Thank you for MAKING MY CASE. The system as it stands is quite incapable of dealing with these folks. The system is useless, because people like YOU want it that way.

And your solution is?

Step 1 - get people like YOU, mnealtx, DaVinci... to stop denying that there's a problem.

False claim as you continue to

bob and weave, duck and run

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kelpdiver 2]

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It was someone posting as "DaVinci" who made the claim that 99.999999% of gun owners didn't shoot anyone that day. A claim he made without proof, and a claim that is FALSE as Headoverheels already showed.

But thank you for confirming your innumeracy.

YOU have failed to back up your numbers proving otherwise, Headoverheels has not shown a number either and you are just tagging onto his pulled out of the thin air claim...... Not difficult good doctor... PROVE YOUR CLAIM that my number is incorrect. Not just BS, PROVE it.

DaVinci - stop embarrassing yourself (and your namesake) and do some simple math.

At 8 9s, as you claim, you're talking about a rate of 1 in 100 million. Our country's population is 320 and somewhere between 1/3rd and 1/2 of the people have a gun in the house. So let's generously round up to *two* people to meet your eight 9s level.

Now did you say gun owners or legal gun owners? I'm generally disinterested in the gun threads, so I'm not going to backtrack, so I only see the citation above that does not restrict. This is important as we know roughly how many gun killings per year there are, but we don't have to worry about the fact that a large portion of them are low lifes killing other low lifes, people that are not legal gun owners.

If we go with a round 10,000/year, then you're looking at 20-40 as a typical range for a day around the arithmetic mean of 27.4. Most shootings are single victim, but there are so multiples, so let's say there are 20 shooters. Or 10x your figure of two.

On the positive side, I think if you remove just a single 9, you're at least arguably correct. Remove two 9s and you're on very solid ground, so maybe you should just start writing 99.9999%.

[kallend 2,148]

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It was someone posting as "DaVinci" who made the claim that 99.999999% of gun owners didn't shoot anyone that day. A claim he made without proof, and a claim that is FALSE as Headoverheels already showed.

But thank you for confirming your innumeracy.

YOU have failed to back up your numbers proving otherwise, Headoverheels has not shown a number either and you are just tagging onto his pulled out of the thin air claim...... Not difficult good doctor... PROVE YOUR CLAIM that my number is incorrect. Not just BS, PROVE it.

DaVinci - stop embarrassing yourself (and your namesake) and do some simple math.

Not so simple, apparently.

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[kallend 2,148]

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And at a psychiatric clinic, no less

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[JohnRich 4]

"Armed Colo. doc helps others flee from gunman"
http://www.broadcastnewsroom.com/articles/viewarticle.jsp?id=1904237
And at a urology office, no less.

"Convenience Store Owner Shoots, Kills Career Criminal During Armed Robbery"
http://www.carolinalive.com/news/story.aspx?id=727220#.T1d_vOBSRBk

"Woman Shoots and Kills Home Invader"
http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Gastonia-woman-shoots-kills-intruder-inside-home-141296523.html

"Homeowner Shoots Knife Wielding Burglar Several Times"
http://adf.ly/65Fa1

"Business owner stands up to robber"
http://www.whptv.com/news/local/story/Business-owner-stands-up-to-robber/zj9QK45qpU-tgZdD9rAjIA.cspx

"Home intruder killed by Springville man"
http://adf.ly/66p0I

"71 Year Old PA Man Pistol Whips 29 Year Old Street Robber"
http://www.phillyburbs.com/my_town/quakertown/year-old-pistol-whips-attempted-robber/article_f34c26fc-5815-59ad-ba1a-ccc3b611c769.html

"Convenience store owner fires shot at robber"
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/breaking/s_784320.html

"Woman Shoots, Kills Home Intruder"
http://www.koco.com/r/30575218/detail.html

"Intruder killed"
http://adf.ly/65Jp1

[kallend 2,148]

Good for them, but completely irrelevant to the issue of preventing loonies from going on murderous shooting sprees.

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Good for them, but completely irrelevant to the issue of preventing loonies from going on murderous shooting sprees.

That armed doctor helped 50 people in the building escape from a looney gunman. Criminals are loonies, and none of those perpetrators shot and killed in the commission of their crime will ever be going out to hurt anyone else ever again. Even those only wounded are likely to be dissuaded from commiting crimes again where the threat of an armed victim is likely. More people are killed and injured by criminals one at a time, then by all of your mass loony shootings combined.

Your psychiatric clinic story was also irrelevant. Nothing in your linked story said that the shooter was a loony, or that he obtained his gun without a background check. But that didn't stop you from jumping on your bandwagon and firing up the calliope to make noise.

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I doubt the victims of these nutters think it a lie. I doubt they are as accepting of failure to keep guns away from nutters as you, rushmc, JR and DaVinci.

Well the link I clicked took me to the pentagon shooter.... If you actually read it....

"The California man who was killed in a shootout with Pentagon police had a history of mental illness and had become so erratic that his parents reached out to local authorities weeks ago with a warning that he was unstable and might have a gun, authorities said Friday.... Family friend Reb Monaco said Kaye Bedell asked the officer to take him to a mental health facility, but that the son refused. The patrolman let Bedell go with a warning. "

Thank you for MAKING MY CASE. The system as it stands is quite incapable of dealing with these folks. The system is useless, because people like YOU want it that way.

That example is not a failure of the system. The system exists and is workable IF the idiots use it. That example shows a failure of the idiot who was supposed to use the system and failed to do so.

You continue to confuse the system with the actions of the people who are supposed to use it. Quite embarrassing for a college prof, I would say.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

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That example is not a failure of the system. The system exists and is workable IF the idiots use it. That example shows a failure of the idiot who was supposed to use the system and failed to do so.

Well, what we need is more laws to make the law-disobeyers obey the laws that they're disobeying.
Yeah, that'll fix it!

[kallend 2,148]

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I doubt the victims of these nutters think it a lie. I doubt they are as accepting of failure to keep guns away from nutters as you, rushmc, JR and DaVinci.

Well the link I clicked took me to the pentagon shooter.... If you actually read it....

"The California man who was killed in a shootout with Pentagon police had a history of mental illness and had become so erratic that his parents reached out to local authorities weeks ago with a warning that he was unstable and might have a gun, authorities said Friday.... Family friend Reb Monaco said Kaye Bedell asked the officer to take him to a mental health facility, but that the son refused. The patrolman let Bedell go with a warning. "

Thank you for MAKING MY CASE. The system as it stands is quite incapable of dealing with these folks. The system is useless, because people like YOU want it that way.

That example is not a failure of the system. The system exists and is workable IF the idiots use it. That example shows a failure of the idiot who was supposed to use the system and failed to do so.

You continue to confuse the system with the actions of the people who are supposed to use it. Quite embarrassing for a college prof, I would say.

Apparently you are unaware of the concept of a "system". A system INCLUDES the people who use it. The SYSTEM isn't working.

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[kallend 2,148]

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That example is not a failure of the system. The system exists and is workable IF the idiots use it. That example shows a failure of the idiot who was supposed to use the system and failed to do so.

Well, what we need is more laws to make the law-disobeyers obey the laws that they're disobeying.
Yeah, that'll fix it!

Nope. What we need is laws with teeth can can be enforced uniformly and not circumvented with trivial ease.

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[JohnRich 4]

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What we need is laws with teeth can can be enforced uniformly and not circumvented with trivial ease.

I've always loved can-can dancers. Those chicks are hot!

[DaVinci 0]

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MY numbers? YOU made the claim of 99.999999%. The numbers are YOURS. The burden of proof is on YOU

When you want to claim my numbers are wrong then it is on YOU to prove it, not just make a claim.

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Thank you for MAKING MY CASE. The system as it stands is quite incapable of dealing with these folks. The system is useless, because people like YOU want it that way.

Nonsense... Please show me where I said the police should not have intervened here... Remember, the burden of proof is on YOU.