mnealtx 0 #26 February 22, 2012 Quote Don't you three ever get bored with this? But he tapdances *SO* well... Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #27 February 22, 2012 Quote Quote Don't you three ever get bored with this? But he tapdances *SO* well... Certainly better than you read, perform statistics, or form a logical argument.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #28 February 22, 2012 Quote Quote Quote Don't you three ever get bored with this? But he tapdances *SO* well... Certainly better than you read, perform statistics, or form a logical argument. You keep thinking whatever salves your ego, perfesser.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #29 February 22, 2012 Another good guy with a gun: "Man shot to death apparently trying to break into home" http://www.star-telegram.com/2012/02/19/3747227/man-shot-to-death-apparently-trying.html Another good guy with a gun: "Homeowner shoots at subjects after being attacked - Subjects flee to woods" http://www.quicknewhavennews.com/?q=content/homeowner-shoots-subjects-after-being-attacked-subjects-flee-woods Another good guy with a gun: "Police: 1 dead in home invasion, shooting" http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-02-19/news/chi-police-1-dead-in-lasalle-county-home-invasion-shooting-20120219_1_home-invasion-homeowner-intruder Another good guy with a gun: "Homeowner shoots would-be burglar" http://www.komonews.com/news/local/Shop-owner-shoots-would-be-burglar-139512088.html Or instead of being armed to protect yourself, you can just depend upon calling 911 for help: "Ignored 911 Call Turns Fatal In Berkeley; Police Busy With Occupy Protest" http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2012/02/21/ignored-911-call-turns-fatal-in-berkeley-police-busy-with-occupy-protest/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #30 February 22, 2012 QuoteThey chose to be victims. If they had been carrying guns, they wouldn't have been victims, would they? These guys were carrying guns, trained in how to use them and were victims. But then I know that would never happen to a fine internet commando like yourself. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/29/washington-police-officers-shot-dead Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #31 February 22, 2012 QuoteQuoteThey chose to be victims. If they had been carrying guns, they wouldn't have been victims, would they? These guys were carrying guns, trained in how to use them and were victims. But then I know that would never happen to a fine internet commando like yourself. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/29/washington-police-officers-shot-dead So you believe the outcome would have been different if they had not been carrying guns? That's thinking that is about as mucked up as it gets. But I guess paranoid, irrational fears affect the mind in strange ways. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #32 February 22, 2012 QuoteSo you believe the outcome would have been different if they had not been carrying guns? Uhm no. Are you still sure that if a victim is armed they would not become a victim? And since an armed society is a polite society. How come Americans aren't know for being polite around the world? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #33 February 22, 2012 Quote Quote So you believe the outcome would have been different if they had not been carrying guns? Uhm no. Are you still sure that if a victim is armed they would not become a victim? And since an armed society is a polite society. How come Americans aren't know for being polite around the world? We could have a major reduction in gun violence by just simply outlawing gangs. That would be much more effective than outlawing guns. Then the gangs would just have to disband since they could no longer commit crimes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #34 February 22, 2012 QuoteWe could have a major reduction in gun violence by just simply outlawing gangs. Much easier to just change the term to "gun play" and you wouldn't have any "gun violence" at all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #35 February 22, 2012 QuoteQuoteWe could have a major reduction in gun violence by just simply outlawing gangs. Much easier to just change the term to "gun play" and you wouldn't have any "gun violence" at all. The sad thing is that left-wingers like you actually believe that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #36 February 22, 2012 QuoteThe sad thing is that left-wingers like you actually believe that. It is just as true as that bit about armed societies being polite societies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #37 February 22, 2012 QuoteQuoteThe sad thing is that left-wingers like you actually believe that. It is just as true as that bit about armed societies being polite societies. It's even truer that when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. Abortions have been responsible for far more deaths than guns. So I take it you support banning abortion? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #38 February 22, 2012 QuoteIt's even truer that when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. For sure!!!! When Qtips get outlawed, only outlaws will have Qtips!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #39 February 22, 2012 QuoteQuoteIt's even truer that when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. For sure!!!! When Qtips get outlawed, only outlaws will have Qtips!! There are addictive drugs are illegal. How well has that worked out? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #40 February 23, 2012 QuoteQuoteThe sad thing is that left-wingers like you actually believe that. It is just as true as that bit about armed societies being polite societies. When I lived in Switzerland, that struck me as being very much the case. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #41 February 23, 2012 QuoteAre you still sure that if a victim is armed they would not become a victim? I don't believe anyone is claiming that a gun is a magic talisman that protets the bearer from all crime. It does, however sometimes give you positive self-defense options from which unarmed people do not benefit. Being unarmed certainly has no self-defense beneft over being armed. But if that's the way you prefer to go, it's a free country and you're welcome to do so. Just don't try to force everyone else to do the same. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #42 February 23, 2012 QuoteQuoteSo you believe the outcome would have been different if they had not been carrying guns? Uhm no. Are you still sure that if a victim is armed they would not become a victim? Having a weapon gives you the ABILITY to defend yourself, it doesn't guarantee the attempt to do so will be successful. Make a *great* strawman argument, though.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Creep0321 0 #43 February 23, 2012 QuoteQuoteSo you believe the outcome would have been different if they had not been carrying guns? Uhm no. Are you still sure that if a victim is armed they would not become a victim? And since an armed society is a polite society. How come Americans aren't know for being polite around the world? Less likely to become a victim, yes. And ill be the first to say, 75% or more of Police officers are not properly trained with firearms, most do little more than their annual quals to be allowed to carry the weapon, few go out and practice on their own time. Same in the Marine Corps "Every Marine is a Rifleman" B.S. every marine qualifies one time per year shooting less than 500 rounds, that does not make you proficient. And I guess the Americans being polite thing depends on who you talk to, and what countries you visit. That is a matter of opinion.Jack of all trades. Military Free Fall Jumpmaster. USA Static-line Jumpmaster. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Creep0321 0 #44 February 23, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteThe sad thing is that left-wingers like you actually believe that. It is just as true as that bit about armed societies being polite societies. When I lived in Switzerland, that struck me as being very much the case. Great point, but as most gun fearing people, he will refuse to believe this im sure. haha.Jack of all trades. Military Free Fall Jumpmaster. USA Static-line Jumpmaster. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #45 February 23, 2012 Quote Having a weapon gives you the ABILITY to defend yourself, it doesn't guarantee the attempt to do so will be successful. Don't tell me, tell Gravitymaster, he made the claim that those 5 people would not have been victims had they been armed. But he is actively pro-gun, couldn't disgree with him directly Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #46 February 23, 2012 QuoteWhen I lived in Switzerland, that struck me as being very much the case. Cool, where did you live? I have spent a lot of time in the Interlaken area, including Wengen and Lauterbrunnen. Have family there too. Grandmother lived in a beautiful house in Beatenberg. Still have two uncles and three aunts in the area. They have shown me the beautiful bolt action rifle provided by the military. Not sure the Swiss are overly polite, but they can be kind enough. Probably much politer than Americans though. They aren't overly known for their level of politeness around the world. Quite the opposite. Makes me believe that politeness isn't dictated by level of gun ownership. Of course, most logical thinking people would then understand that my statement was meant to be untrue, to indicate the statement I was replying to was untrue. Seems many here aren't smart enough to pick up on that though.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #47 February 23, 2012 Quote Quote Having a weapon gives you the ABILITY to defend yourself, it doesn't guarantee the attempt to do so will be successful. Don't tell me, tell Gravitymaster, he made the claim that those 5 people would not have been victims had they been armed. But he is actively pro-gun, couldn't disgree with him directly Unarmed they had no choice but to be victims. Armed, they would have a choice. You are Pro-choice aren't you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 334 #48 February 23, 2012 Does he get to collect the life insurance? http://www.ajc.com/news/authorities-georgia-man-killed-1344079.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #49 February 23, 2012 Quote Does he get to collect the life insurance? http://www.ajc.com/news/authorities-georgia-man-killed-1344079.html You have a point to make?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #50 February 23, 2012 QuoteQuote Does he get to collect the life insurance? http://www.ajc.com/news/authorities-georgia-man-killed-1344079.html You have a point to make? I'm sure that he would argue that the gun made his family safer (just like JR, and gravitymaster and you do), right up until the instant he realized that he killed his wife with it.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
