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The proposition does seem to be more applicable to African Americans, Native Americans and Hispanics.
Not sure I agree re: Hispanics. There's alot of Hispanic labor in the area where I live. As a rule, these folks work hard, and value family first and foremost. Compared to where they came from, they are doing markedly better (why else would they endure to get here?).
Wrto blacks (haven't you heard, African American is out of vogue now?), and Native Americans, not sure why that's the case. There are very successful black people in my company. They work hard, are professional, and are widely respected (and it has nothing to do with their skin color).
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The Government is the problem, not the solution
I think we can all agree there is a balance to be found here. I would agree that Obama is driving it away from where it should be.
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The Government is the problem, not the solution
I think we can all agree there is a balance to be found here. I would agree that Obama is driving it away from where it should be.
Balance?
A look at history clearly shows that the bigger the gov poorer the economy does
We are regulating and growing the Fed govenment ourselves our to private sector growth
But, if you point is we need some level of regulation? Then we agree
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
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The proposition does seem to be more applicable to African Americans, Native Americans and Hispanics.
Not sure I agree re: Hispanics. There's alot of Hispanic labor in the area where I live. As a rule, these folks work hard, and value family first and foremost. Compared to where they came from, they are doing markedly better (why else would they endure to get here?).
Wrto blacks (haven't you heard, African American is out of vogue now?), and Native Americans, not sure why that's the case. There are very successful black people in my company. They work hard, are professional, and are widely respected (and it has nothing to do with their skin color).
I like these two posts, it really reflects the politics and priorities of you two - Andy talks about "groups", you talk about "individuals"
when the focus is so different, it's not a surprise how difficult it can be sometimes to find common ground when discussing policy
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I like these two posts, it really reflects the politics and priorities of you two - Andy talks about "groups", you talk about "individuals"
Wow, what an interesting observation. I hadn't noticed that. I personally don't view people in categories.
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when the focus is so different, it's not a surprise how difficult it can be sometimes to find common ground when discussing policy
Absolutely.
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billvon 3,111
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A look at history clearly shows that the bigger the gov poorer the economy does
It is fortunate that government is shrinking, then!
>We are regulating and growing the Fed govenment ourselves our to private sector
>growth
Since private sector employment is up and government employment is down, that's not supportable.
It is fortunate that government is shrinking, then!
>We are regulating and growing the Fed govenment ourselves our to private sector
>growth
Since private sector employment is up and government employment is down, that's not supportable.
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Since private sector employment is up
The latest figures on this show just how fabricated that number is. Apparently, alot of the movement is due to a huge number of people dropping out of the workforce. That's my understanding at this time.
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I like these two posts, it really reflects the politics and priorities of you two - Andy talks about "groups", you talk about "individuals"
Wow, what an interesting observation. I hadn't noticed that. I personally don't view people in categories.Quote
when the focus is so different, it's not a surprise how difficult it can be sometimes to find common ground when discussing policy
Absolutely.
Actually, I think your comments and mine can be harmonized. I spoke more re: groups than individuals mainly to keep my post reasonably brief. I think my observation is largely correct from a perspective of group dynamics and trends, while your observations w/r/t individual examples are also correct. Taken together, they comprise the big picture.
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Since private sector employment is up and government employment is down, that's not supportable.
Then you believe the admins lies on employment
Good to know
The unemployment rate may be down (by the numbers) but the private sector is NOT seeing job growth
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=the+real+unemployment+rate+2012&gbv=2&oq=the+real+un&aq=6&aqi=g10&aql=&gs_sm=1&gs_upl=1421l3186l0l7497l11l8l0l0l0l0l282l1297l0.1.5l6l0
Take you pick
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
billvon 3,111
>Apparently, alot of the movement is due to a huge number of people dropping out of
>the workforce.
In government, yes. But since employment overall is up, people are not "dropping out" overall. From the BLS:
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>the workforce.
In government, yes. But since employment overall is up, people are not "dropping out" overall. From the BLS:
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Table C. December 2011-January 2012 changes in selected labor force
measures, with adjustments for population control effects
(Numbers in thousands)
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| | |
| | | Dec.-Jan.
| Dec.-Jan. | 2012 | change,
| change, | population | after re-
Category | as | control | moving the
| published | effect | population
| | | control
| | | effect(1)
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Civilian noninstitutional population.| 1,685 | 1,510 | 175
Civilian labor force...............| 508 | 258 | 250
Participation rate...............| -.3 | -.3 | .0
Employed..........................| 847 | 216 | 631
Employment-population ratio......| .0 | -.3 | .3
Unemployed........................| -339 | 42 | -381
Unemployment rate................| -.2 | .0 | -.2
Not in labor force.................| 1,177 | 1,252| -75
_____________________________________|___________|____________|_____________
rehmwa 2
QuoteActually, I think your comments and mine can be harmonized. I spoke more in groups than individuals mainly to keep my post reasonably brief. I think my observation is largely correct from a perspective of group dynamics and trends, while your observations w/r/t individual examples are also correct. Taken together, they comprise the big picture.
stop being constructive, it's a bit unsettling
nevertheless - I continue to look forward to the day when people are really blind to group differences and just talk about people as individuals and not demographics
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QuoteI continue to look forward to the day when people are really blind to group differences and just talk about people as individuals and not demographics
Why?
What is wrong with establishing that different communities/ethnicities can have different needs?
You're very good at sweeping manifesto. Conservatives did this. Reagan started it. Nothing good has ever come from conservatives. Blah.
Got any facts? A nice cogent discussion, perhaps? Save that stuff for an Oscar acceptance speech.
My wife is hotter than your wife.
Got any facts? A nice cogent discussion, perhaps? Save that stuff for an Oscar acceptance speech.
My wife is hotter than your wife.
Andy9o8 2
QuoteQuoteActually, I think your comments and mine can be harmonized. I spoke more in groups than individuals mainly to keep my post reasonably brief. I think my observation is largely correct from a perspective of group dynamics and trends, while your observations w/r/t individual examples are also correct. Taken together, they comprise the big picture.
stop being constructive, it's a bit unsettling
nevertheless - I continue to look forward to the day when people are really blind to group differences and just talk about people as individuals and not demographics
Speaking as someone who took a ton of Sociology as an undergrad, I really don't think that's possible. Group dynamics and demographics are very real, and their effects are very real.
Oh, BTW, re:
QuoteWhat planet is Paul Krugman from?
I'm pretty sure Krugman is a Klingon name.
aphid 0
QuoteOther than our quality of life, and the fact that America is the greatest country this planet has every known. Why else do so many people want to come here?
For your reference:
QuoteCanada’s population grew by 5.9% between 2006 and 2011, up slightly from 5.4% for the previous intercensal period of 2001 to 2006 (Figure 1).
The rate of Canada’s population growth between 2006 and 2011 was the highest among the G8 countries. Only two other G8 countries registered an increase in their population growth in recent years: the United Kingdom and Russia.
Since the beginning of the 2000s, Canada’s population growth has been driven mainly by migratory increase, since natural increase, or the difference between births and deaths, now only accounts for about one-third of this growth. Canada’s substantial migratory increase largely explains why it ranks first for population growth among the G8 countries. The population growth of the United States and of France, for example, is mainly a result of natural increase, with migratory increase being proportionally lower in those countries.
source (one of a few):http://www.weeklyvoice.com/world-news/immigration-makes-canada-no-1-in-population-growth-among-g8-countries/
rehmwa 2
QuoteSpeaking as someone who took a ton of Sociology as an undergrad, I really don't think that's possible. Group dynamics and demographics are very real, and their effects are very real.
sure, and that helps define the individuals and adds benefit to how we interact on a personal level with individuals and that we are lucky to have all those refinements in our society
however, in terms of Government treatment of people (not personal treatment), law should be blind
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rehmwa 2
QuoteQuoteI continue to look forward to the day when people are really blind to group differences and just talk about people as individuals and not demographics
Why?
What is wrong with establishing that different communities/ethnicities can have different needs?
you can bunch them up into stereotypes if you like
what is wrong with establishing that individuals within or between your cosmetic divisions also have different needs? those are more real
doesn't mean we put them in buckets and give the buckets different rules
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doesn't mean we put them in buckets and give the buckets different rules
Yep. As you said earlier, the law needs to be blind. The law also needs to be written in such a way that it stays blind to race. If the blindfold needs to be lifted in order to asses, the law hasn't been written properly, IMO.
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In government, yes. But since employment overall is up, people are not "dropping out" overall. From the BLS:
That chart raises more questions than it answers. Where are you getting that government employment is going down?
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I'm curious to see your sources on this.
And largely liberal.
What school did you go to? My view is the problem with our education system is due to a liberal philosophy that doesn't hold the individual accountable.
Obama being the prime example, IMO.
Other than our quality of life, and the fact that America is the greatest country this planet has every known. Why else do so many people want to come here?
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