kallend 2,151 #26 January 30, 2012 QuoteQuote I wonder how many children could be helped if Mitt Romney and others like him paid tax on their income at the same rate that I have to on my income. Hey that is a good Idea! While we are at it why don't we confiscate all of the "bad profits"? Now we are not talking about Apple, Microsoft, or Google because those are "good" companies. And we are certainly not talking about anything "Green" because they don't have profits. lets go after big oil, big pharma, and big coal and take all of their money. Well, if that's your proposal, don't be surprised if it comes back to bite you. All I suggest is that the super-rich pay at the same rate as the middle class and not some privileged rate that only they can qualify for.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #27 January 30, 2012 QuoteI think we need to propose a corollary to Godwin's law. "Quade's law" - As a DZ.com thread grows longer, the likelihood that it will be come "Bush's fault" grows. Nope. For instance, I don't think it's Bush's fault people can't see the forest for the trees. BTW, when talking about the start of the Iraq war . . . yeah, it actually was Bush's fault. I'll admit there was a conspiracy by the signatories of the PNAC to con him into it, but he gave the order. It actually was his fault. The enterprise transferred hundreds of billions of dollars from the US government tax payers into the hands of the signatories of the PNAC, killed thousands of US soldiers and uncounted tens of thousands of Iraqis. Bush's signature. One pen stroke. Boom. And people have the gaul to to bitch and moan about some green research funding. Sad really. They actually can't see the forest for the trees.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #28 January 30, 2012 QuoteHow many children could have been fed, clothed, educated and housed with the billions of dollars wasted on crony capitalism green energy schemes like Solyndra, Beacon, Evergreen Solar, Spectra Watt, and Eastern Energy; all of which have declared bankruptcy and all of which are Obama supporters. Seven?When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #29 January 30, 2012 >I wonder how many children could be helped if Mitt Romney and others like him paid >tax on their income at the same rate that I have to on my income. Not many - because there aren't many like him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #30 January 30, 2012 QuoteYou must not have read my post, I didn't mention "balancing the budget" I only wondered how many children could have been helped with the billions of dollars wasted on crony capitalism with these green energy scams. Could have been? I don't know, how much does it cost to help a child? I know how many would have been helped, though. None.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #31 January 30, 2012 QuoteAll I suggest is that the super-rich pay at the same rate as the middle class and not some privileged rate that only they can qualify for. But then there'd be less, um, stuff, to trickle-down to everyone else. Right? I wonder how many flat-taxers who really know what they're talking about are willing to have their capital gains taxed at the same flat rate at which they propose ordinary income be taxed? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #32 January 30, 2012 QuoteQuoteAll I suggest is that the super-rich pay at the same rate as the middle class and not some privileged rate that only they can qualify for. But then there'd be less, um, stuff, to trickle-down to everyone else. Right? I wonder how many flat-taxers who really know what they're talking about are willing to have their capital gains taxed at the same flat rate at which they propose ordinary income be taxed? Ya we all know trickle down government is much much better"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #33 January 30, 2012 QuoteQuoteI think we need to propose a corollary to Godwin's law. "Quade's law" - As a DZ.com thread grows longer, the likelihood that it will be come "Bush's fault" grows. Nope. For instance, I don't think it's Bush's fault people can't see the forest for the trees. BTW, when talking about the start of the Iraq war . . . yeah, it actually was Bush's fault. I'll admit there was a conspiracy by the signatories of the PNAC to con him into it, but he gave the order. It actually was his fault. The enterprise transferred hundreds of billions of dollars from the US government tax payers into the hands of the signatories of the PNAC, killed thousands of US soldiers and uncounted tens of thousands of Iraqis. Bush's signature. One pen stroke. Boom. And people have the gaul to to bitch and moan about some green research funding. Sad really. They actually can't see the forest for the trees. Don't you have a problem with: Donors bundle money for Obama, Obama give them money in the form of grants and loan guarantees, companies go bankrupt, leaving the tax payer on the hook while the principles are protected to continue the cycle? This is not a partisan issue to me, I had a problem with Bush's billion dollar hydrogen initiatives. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #34 January 30, 2012 Quote BTW, what is it, socialism, communism, or "crony capitalism" that Obama supports? Corporatism where most of the corporate groups are formed within large industries (banking, health care, military suppliers) just like the Republicans. If Obama was a socialist he'd have kicked the health insurance bill back to Congress until it had enough riders to pass with a single-payer provision instead of accepting one that mandates all Americans buy product from for-profit companies, gives poor Americans government money to buy product from for-profit companies, and preserves the favorable tax treatment that has most Americans buying more product than they need from for-profit companies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #35 January 30, 2012 QuoteQuote BTW, what is it, socialism, communism, or "crony capitalism" that Obama supports? Corporatism where most of the corporate groups are formed within large industries (banking, health care, military suppliers) just like the Republicans. If Obama was a socialist he'd have kicked the health insurance bill back to Congress until it had enough riders to pass with a single-payer provision instead of accepting one that mandates all Americans buy product from for-profit companies, gives poor Americans government money to buy product from for-profit companies, and preserves the favorable tax treatment that has most Americans buying more product than they need from for-profit companies. Sorry, but the GOP meme is that Obama is a socialist. Facts can't alter that.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
devildog 0 #36 January 31, 2012 Quote I wonder how many children could be helped if Mitt Romney and others like him paid tax on their income at the same rate that I have to on my income. A lot less than donating to charity. But if you want to be "patriotic" throw it in the money hole: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnX-D4kkPOQYou stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #37 January 31, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuote BTW, what is it, socialism, communism, or "crony capitalism" that Obama supports? Corporatism where most of the corporate groups are formed within large industries (banking, health care, military suppliers) just like the Republicans. If Obama was a socialist he'd have kicked the health insurance bill back to Congress until it had enough riders to pass with a single-payer provision instead of accepting one that mandates all Americans buy product from for-profit companies, gives poor Americans government money to buy product from for-profit companies, and preserves the favorable tax treatment that has most Americans buying more product than they need from for-profit companies. Sorry, but the GOP meme is that Obama is a socialist. Facts can't alter that. Obviously you don't have a background in political science. Communism, socialism, fascism, corporatism, and liberalism/progressivism are all shades of the same color. The left/right paradigm is soft thinking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #38 January 31, 2012 >Communism, socialism, fascism, corporatism, and liberalism/progressivism are all >shades of the same color. Don't forget conservativism and libertarianism. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #39 January 31, 2012 Quote>Communism, socialism, fascism, corporatism, and liberalism/progressivism are all >shades of the same color. Don't forget conservativism and libertarianism. Wow, Bill you have broken new ground, Libertarianism is the same as Communism, I never heard that one before would you care to elaborate? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #40 January 31, 2012 >Libertarianism is the same as Communism, I never heard that one before would you >care to elaborate? Never claimed they were the same. They're all shades of a different color - prepackaged ideologies that try to compress a variety of disparate concepts into a one-size-fits-all meme. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #41 January 31, 2012 QuoteAll I suggest is that the super-rich pay at the same rate as the middle class and not some privileged rate that only they can qualify for. Youre 'super rich' (35% down to the 25% tax bracket) pay 15% long term capital gains tax. Conversely, the 15% and 10% brackets pay 5% long term capital gains tax. Looks like it's the little guys that get that 'privileged rate that only they can qualify for'.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #42 January 31, 2012 Quote Youre 'super rich' (35% down to the 25% tax bracket) pay 15% long term capital gains tax. Conversely, the 15% and 10% brackets pay 5% long term capital gains tax. Looks like it's the little guys that get that 'privileged rate that only they can qualify for'. Holy crap, Mike. You let the cat out of the bag. Now you know what's going to happen? Some politician douchbag is going to see that and try fix the problem....by raising our rate up to their rate. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #43 January 31, 2012 Quote Quote Youre 'super rich' (35% down to the 25% tax bracket) pay 15% long term capital gains tax. Conversely, the 15% and 10% brackets pay 5% long term capital gains tax. Looks like it's the little guys that get that 'privileged rate that only they can qualify for'. Holy crap, Mike. You let the cat out of the bag. Now you know what's going to happen? Some politician douchbag is going to see that and try fix the problem....by raising our rate up to their rate. Wouldn't surprise me in the least.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #44 January 31, 2012 Quote Wouldn't surprise me in the least. ...and it'll be all your fault! My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #45 January 31, 2012 Quote Quote Wouldn't surprise me in the least. ...and it'll be all your fault! Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #46 January 31, 2012 QuoteQuoteAll I suggest is that the super-rich pay at the same rate as the middle class and not some privileged rate that only they can qualify for. Youre 'super rich' (35% down to the 25% tax bracket) pay 15% long term capital gains tax. You defined "super rich" that way. Romney has over $200M and paid 13.9%. Quote Conversely, the 15% and 10% brackets pay 5% long term capital gains tax. Looks like it's the little guys that get that 'privileged rate that only they can qualify for'. Ha ha. Now tell us the fraction of long term capital gains are reported by the folks in the 10% bracket, and what % of capital gains by the "1%". You and Marie Antoinette have a lot in common.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #47 January 31, 2012 Quote Quote Youre 'super rich' (35% down to the 25% tax bracket) pay 15% long term capital gains tax. Conversely, the 15% and 10% brackets pay 5% long term capital gains tax. Looks like it's the little guys that get that 'privileged rate that only they can qualify for'. Holy crap, Mike. You let the cat out of the bag. Now you know what's going to happen? Some politician douchbag is going to see that and try fix the problem....by raising our rate up to their rate. Rate should be independent of source.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #48 January 31, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteAll I suggest is that the super-rich pay at the same rate as the middle class and not some privileged rate that only they can qualify for. Youre 'super rich' (35% down to the 25% tax bracket) pay 15% long term capital gains tax. Conversely, the 15% and 10% brackets pay 5% long term capital gains tax. Looks like it's the little guys that get that 'privileged rate that only they can qualify for'. Ha ha. Now tell us the fraction of long term capital gains are reported by the folks in the 10% bracket, and what % of capital gains by the "1%". You and Marie Antoinette have a lot in common. Weaseling.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #49 January 31, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteAll I suggest is that the super-rich pay at the same rate as the middle class and not some privileged rate that only they can qualify for. Youre 'super rich' (35% down to the 25% tax bracket) pay 15% long term capital gains tax. Conversely, the 15% and 10% brackets pay 5% long term capital gains tax. Looks like it's the little guys that get that 'privileged rate that only they can qualify for'. Ha ha. Now tell us the fraction of long term capital gains are reported by the folks in the 10% bracket, and what % of capital gains by the "1%". You and Marie Antoinette have a lot in common. Weaseling. Well, Marie, in order to qualify for a privileged rate, first you have to have long term capital gains. How many folks in the 10% bracket do that, Mike, compared to the "1%"ers? Fact is, only the very wealthy can ACTUALLY qualify, as opposed to qualifying in theory. They can afford cake, too. Fascinating that you consider someone in the 10% bracket (income: single $0–$8,350 married filing jointly $0–$16,700) as "middle class". You're as out of touch as Romney.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #50 January 31, 2012 QuoteWell, Marie, in order to qualify for a privileged rate, first you have to have long term capital gains. How many folks in the 10% bracket do that, Mike, compared to the "1%"ers? Fact is, only the very wealthy can ACTUALLY qualify, as opposed to qualifying in theory. They can afford cake, too. Class envy and economy of scale, again? Must suck when those are your only arguments. QuoteFascinating that you consider someone in the 10% bracket (income: single $0–$8,350 married filing jointly $0–$16,700) as "middle class". I never stated that any particular bracket was 'middle class'. Nice attempt to attack the poster when you can't refute the post, though. QuoteYou're as out of touch as Romney. You're as truthful as Joe Isuzu.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
