Corporal Punishment Instead of Prison?

[jgoose71 0]

Inspired by kallend's Thread.....
http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=4263812;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC;forum_view=forum_view_collapsed;;page=unread#unread

For Minor offenses, like possession of Marijuana or public intoxication reduce them to a fine.

For more serious misdemeanors, like maybe trespassing, larceny (under a dollar amount), vandalism etc, bust out the whip.

Only incarcerate serious felons. Maybe even give them the option to trade jail time for lashes (depending on Offense).

Think of all the room we may be able to open up in the prisons if we traded jail time for something else.

While we are at it, add more victim reparations (can also be exchanged for jail time), and if you get hurt while committing a crime (shot while committing armed robbery), oh well.

I was thinking of Singapore as a model. Does everyone remember this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_P._Fay

In exchange for corporal punishment, I'm sure we could get rid of the death penalty.

For Criminals:
1) Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.

2) Prison is punishment. You don't get a private suit, champagne and caviar.

"There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
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[jclalor 12]

LOL.

[jgoose71 0]

Also, if anyone can think of other things that might be traded for jail time, please feel free to mention it.

Thinking of solutions isn't nearly as fun a bitching about problems, but someone has to do it....

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[popsjumper 2]

BillVon might have some experience with getting knuckles whacked with a ruler. That seemed to have worked well in the long run.

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[skydiver604 0]

2) Prison is punishment. You don't get a private suit, champagne and caviar.

[jimmytavino 16]

one of my brothers had a GREAT idea , many years ago, for carrying out sentences which are issued through our existing court system....
No prisons. No whippings,,,, Simply have all the great scientific and technical minds work together to build "an Aging Machine"

the perp steps into it. the door is closed. a few buttons are pushed and the Body AGES..... whatever number of years the sentence dictates...
...if a 25 year old is given a 30 year sentence....BANG he or she comes out at age 55... wanna be a repeat offender??? ok. you'll be an Old aged person.. real quick....and then you Die.....
and w'ere done with you...

No prison costs, no "warehousing " of folks,, who accomplish little "inside" , other than working out,,,sitting around in a cell all day long and making street connections, for when they are "released"

If you are given TIME... then you lose those years off your life..... sorry.......
No punishing,, NO rehab no coddling and handholding... Televise the Aging sessions, so people can SEE first hand what it's all about.....

I bet the levels of crime would go Down.... Plus,,,, it could really reduce the recidivism rates....

NO i'm NOT kidding...

jt

[wmw999 2,644]

I love your poll options

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[StreetScooby 5]

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For more serious misdemeanors, like maybe trespassing, larceny (under a dollar amount), vandalism etc, bust out the whip.

Only incarcerate serious felons. Maybe even give them the option to trade jail time for lashes (depending on Offense).

Aren't you a little bit concerned that might start a whole new fashion trend in the 'hood?

We are all engines of karma

[kallend 2,227]

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Also, if anyone can think of other things that might be traded for jail time, please feel free to mention it.

I didn't see community service in your list.

BIG fines + community service for white collar crime. These are not violent people who need to be locked away at our expense.



Prison should be reserved for people who present a real danger to the community.

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[wmw999 2,644]

I would add publicity to the white collar crime punishment. Many people really want to protect their reputation; periodic follow-up stories of how some inside trader is now serving as a teacher's aide in a public school (or whatever) might be a deterrent.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[Andrewwhyte 1]

Actually white collar crime is the one area I would like to see more prison time applied. If there is one group that deterrence does work on it is the comfortable middle class and (I assume, having no direct experience) the upper middle class. I don't speed any more than I already do because I fear the consequences. I definitely quit drinking and driving out of fear of prosecution. There have been times in my life when I have turned down lucrative opportunities in the contraband trade because I really don't want to go to jail not because I give a shit whether people smoke untaxed cigarettes.
If employers really thought they were going to go to jail for hiring illegals, or ripping employees off on their overtime, I think there would be a lot less of it. The same goes for environmental crimes by functionaries of the large corps. At least a dozen people deserved prison over the oil spill in the gulf. There may end up one or none. Putting poor uneducated people in jail for being poor is dumb. Putting politicians and executives in jail will be effective.

[jclalor 12]

The definition of a Sadist? Someone who does nice things for a masochist.

[charlie5 0]

Beat that ass.

It works for Singapore. * I lived there for 8 years and was there during the Michael Fay thing, actually I went to the same school as him

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[winsor 236]

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The definition of a Sadist? Someone who does nice things for a masochist.

Masochist: "Beat me!"

Sadist: "No."

[mnealtx 0]

Mike
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[Andrewwhyte 1]

The problem with corporal punishment is it far to open to abuse from those who are compelled to punish. It can be effective as a deterrent, but is far more effective as an outlet for the vindictive. As far as I can tell it is used quite well in Singapore, not so much in Taliban Afghanistan. My feeling is it would tend towards the latter in the US.
The other issue is the racial one. You start whipping blacks and they will start shooting cops.

[mnealtx 0]

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The problem with corporal punishment is it far to open to abuse from those who are compelled to punish. It can be effective as a deterrent, but is far more effective as an outlet for the vindictive.

That's a fair point, taken in overview.

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As far as I can tell it is used quite well in Singapore, not so much in Taliban Afghanistan. My feeling is it would tend towards the latter in the US.

It might...or it might not.

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The other issue is the racial one. You start whipping blacks and they will start shooting cops.

Criminals in general (not just black ones) *ALREADY* shoot cops to keep from going to jail.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[rehmwa 2]

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As far as I can tell it is used quite well in Singapore, not so much in Taliban Afghanistan. My feeling is it would tend towards the latter in the US.

Do you have any basis for this, or are you just trying to impress some pretty anti-US female liberal arts and philosophy grad with your amazing sophistication.



I've been to Singapore and that culture seems to match the US a lot more than video of what I've seen in Afghanistan. So I'm no expert.

I wonder what people who've been to both places would think?


your other comments seem to wallow in the same bias ("whipping blacks" "they'll start shooting cops"????)


As for the OP topic - I don't really have an opinion on it

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[jgoose71 0]

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2) Prison is punishment. You don't get a private suit, champagne and caviar.

you do in Canada, federal and provincial prisons in Canada are called Club Fed

Yes, but does Canada have any real criminals? I thought they were all to stoned to hardly get out of the house.....

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[jgoose71 0]

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I love your poll options

Wendy P.

I voted for "whips and chains excite me." Is that unusual for a republican?

"There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
Life, the Universe, and Everything

[mnealtx 0]

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Yes, but does Canada have any real criminals? I thought they were all to stoned to hardly get out of the house.....

No, they're all snowed in...but that doesn't matter either, since they're all glued to the TV watching hockey.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[jgoose71 0]

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Also, if anyone can think of other things that might be traded for jail time, please feel free to mention it.

I didn't see community service in your list.

BIG fines + community service for white collar crime. These are not violent people who need to be locked away at our expense.



Prison should be reserved for people who present a real danger to the community.

Sorry I missed community service. But I am also of the mind set that Wall Street executives should get Double lashings. When you screw with the economy, the effects go far and beyond.....

"There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
Life, the Universe, and Everything

[jgoose71 0]

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The problem with corporal punishment is it far to open to abuse from those who are compelled to punish. It can be effective as a deterrent, but is far more effective as an outlet for the vindictive. As far as I can tell it is used quite well in Singapore, not so much in Taliban Afghanistan. My feeling is it would tend towards the latter in the US.
The other issue is the racial one. You start whipping blacks and they will start shooting cops.

Not really worried about it. The Liberal Media would watch it like a hawk and be absolutely abhorred by it. If the law was passed, there would be non-stop coverage on how the country has regressed.

Follow that with the fact that our justice system is not religious based and we are not dishing out lashes for sex out of wed lock, I think we would be OK.

As for the vindictive, you can screen the the people who administer the punishment, but as for the judges, well, If you have read my posts, you know we need a better method for screening these ass clowns. But like i said, we got the liberal media.

As for the African American population, it's not the system that put them there, it's cultural.

We have a Black president, A congressional black caucus, Colin Powell, Condeleeza Rice, Herman Cain, etc, etc, etc.

African Americans can make it in America if they choose to. It's to easy for them to get wrapped up in the Hip-Hop prison culture and gang violence because of a lack of a father figure that's missing in close to 70% of the families. Maybe if the state whipped that ass when they get out of line, it might make up for the father they never had.......

"There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
Life, the Universe, and Everything

[Andy9o8 3]

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If there is one group that deterrence does work on it is the comfortable middle class and (I assume, having no direct experience) the upper middle class.

I agree with that.

[Andrewwhyte 1]

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As far as I can tell it is used quite well in Singapore, not so much in Taliban Afghanistan. My feeling is it would tend towards the latter in the US.

Do you have any basis for this, or are you just trying to impress some pretty anti-US female liberal arts and philosophy grad with your amazing sophistication.

Since it is an hypothetical projection I clearly have no hard evidence. However American culture does have a very distinct layer of vindictiveness. One merely has to turn on CNN HeadlineNews to see a 24 hr/day channel devoted to obsessing over criminals and victims. The persistence of capital punishment (as opposed to the rest of the west), as well as the crowds of pro-capital punishment types who actually show up outside prisons to cheer on the execution of various high profile cases. The mobs frothing at the mouth, baying for the blood of an acquitted murder suspect in Florida last year comes to mind.