kallend 2,182 #51 January 28, 2012 Quote Quote As you said, we'll see how it plays out. Don't hold your breath - as we've seen regarding gun control, 'bipartisanship' to the Dems means 'you give us what we want and we won't crucify you TOO badly in the press'. And to "The Party of No" it means "NO".... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #52 January 28, 2012 Quote Quote Quote As you said, we'll see how it plays out. Don't hold your breath - as we've seen regarding gun control, 'bipartisanship' to the Dems means 'you give us what we want and we won't crucify you TOO badly in the press'. And to "The Party of No" it means "NO". Yup... "No, we've bent over backwards far enough - your turn now."Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #53 January 28, 2012 >"No, we've bent over backwards far enough - your turn now." And that, in a nutshell, is why we will never, ever solve this problem. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #54 January 28, 2012 Quote>"No, we've bent over backwards far enough - your turn now." And that, in a nutshell, is why we will never, ever solve this problem. Because the Reps haven't bent over far enough backward, or because they expect the Dems to compromise, too?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgoose71 0 #55 January 28, 2012 Quote >"No, we've bent over backwards far enough - your turn now." And that, in a nutshell, is why we will never, ever solve this problem. I guess a fair question to ask is, How much is one party expected to give without the other party bringing something to the table? How much of the military do you want to cut before you address any of the other issues? Keep in mind, good faith doesn't exist in Washington any more."There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #56 January 28, 2012 >Because the Reps haven't bent over far enough backward Because you can't think of this issue any way other than "us vs. them." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #57 January 28, 2012 >How much of the military do you want to cut before you address any of the other issues? We're planning to cut the military already; good. Now let's see the plan for the rest of the cuts. >Keep in mind, good faith doesn't exist in Washington any more. It doesn't need to. We don't need good faith, just results. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #58 January 28, 2012 Quote>Because the Reps haven't bent over far enough backward Because you can't think of this issue any way other than "us vs. them." Is *that* why you paint Republicans as considering tax increases instead of 'cut cut cut'? Oh wait...you don't...yet the Reps *were* considering tax increases.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #59 January 28, 2012 QuoteQuote>You say this like there is something we can do to get them to stop kidnapping people. >*News flash* There isn't. Agreed. The only way to avoid Somalian pirates is to avoid Somalia. (Which isn't that bad an idea overall.) Which is a good idea, however, if we pulled out, every oil tanker coming through the North Arabian Gulf would get hijacked. The Somalis would love it. They could make BILLIONS!!!! Plus, we still need that oil, especially when projects like the keystone pipeline keep getting shot down. Once again, novel idea, but scores low on the practicality scale. So they either use another route, hire their own protection, or pay the US military to do so...Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #60 January 28, 2012 >So they either use another route, hire their own protection, or pay the US military to >do so... Yep. I hear the company formerly known as Blackwater is looking for work. Issue them a letter of marque and reprisal and let 'em go. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #61 January 28, 2012 Quote >So they either use another route, hire their own protection, or pay the US military to >do so... Yep. I hear the company formerly known as Blackwater is looking for work. Issue them a letter of marque and reprisal and let 'em go. What happens in international waters, stays in international waters... Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #62 January 28, 2012 Quote That was the answer I was hoping for and the answer any normal emotionally stable person would give in the current circumstances. But we are not dealing with normal, emotionally stable people. In real life we have to deal with congress. As you said, we'll see how it plays out. yup - I like his answer too. pretty much - "good start, NEXT!!" ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southern_Man 0 #63 January 30, 2012 Romney states he would like to grow the military by another ~100,000 troops. We can't afford it."What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #64 January 30, 2012 Well, we could if we got rid of waste in the DOD. The cuts to personnel are tiny in $, compared to waste and pet projects. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,602 #65 January 30, 2012 Quote waste and pet projects I'm sorry, but as a longtime member of the military, in many capacities, how can you possiblyjudge what's waste and/or a pet project???? Surely Congress and lobbyists are far better equipped Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southern_Man 0 #66 January 30, 2012 The truth is that it all has to be cut, along with everything else."What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,132 #67 January 30, 2012 >Well, we could if we got rid of waste in the DOD. Every single politician for the past 200 years has promised to get rid of waste. Either every single one of them is incompetent or there's really not that much waste left. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #68 January 30, 2012 Quote Quote Yep, it's a good start. Hopefully we can balance the budget with only military cuts. Next time someone get kidnapped by Somali pirates, they can rescue them selves....... But hey, not to worry, gov't employees will get a small pay raise... Jan. 6 (Bloomberg) -- President Barack Obama will propose a 0.5 percent pay increase for civilian federal employees in his fiscal 2013 budget, according to an administration official. I work for a contractor to the government. Our pay has been frozen three of the past four years and my multi-contractor project has reduced its staff by nearly 60% (I'm the only surviving member of the work group I've been in the last 3 years). My commute has changed from 12 miles daily to 72 miles in order to reduce office costs. If the raise is only 0.5%, I really don't care whether I get it, but either way, it's not like we're just riding the gravy train express, getting fat on your taxes. There are real people at the end of those budgets, trying to do more work, for less money, with fewer resources. I'm not going to get too worked up over the military having to shoulder a 1.5% budget cut. Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #69 January 30, 2012 There is waste to lose. It also requires looking at "entitlements" and "perks". But, for example, there would be millions a quarter saved if they revamped the TDY (Temporary Duty) regulations when it comes to food. Pay a COLA for the difference between the persons home station and Temp assignment and there is ~$30 a person per day saved. Have all fours Services use the same Camo uniforms (Again) and same color "accessories" (Again) it worked for 200+ years why, not now? Cut the Coast Guard to Search and Rescue of US Waters. All their weapons can be reused by the DOD, FED LEO's. Use VTC for all meetings that are not Ultra Sensitive, or are not a "hearing" on the Hill. In the US all higher ups can fly Commercial with a small Protection Detail (If Warranted). No need to keep fueling 727's for one dude and his staff to go play golf and meet with a few guys for an hour. Put more Contracts on place for things like Information management and production. Put the contracts out for the cost the GOV currently does it MINUS the Benefits for staff. There is plenty of waste to cut. But getting the ideas up to the top fellow, usually gets trashed by a person who benefits personally from the current set up. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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