Utah never ceases to make me go - WTF!

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Well since Germany is a federal state, like the US, .

sure, if politically defined only - even if it would all fit into just one of our bigger states or large regions

try this on for size - culturally, in terms of diversity/dialects/size, etc, would you say the Netherlands is more like Utah/New Hampshire/Maine? or more like the entire US or China?

I have a much more legitimate argument to take anything you say and pretend everybody in your country has those same bias, then you would to me

but we'd both be wrong - your prejudices are unfounded

you can sit there, with more of a chance to be surrounded by people that look like you, talk like you, have the same education, same environment, etc etc etc, and seriously feel comfortable about accusing others of lack of sophistication in understanding about sensitivity with people different than them?

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[rehmwa 2]

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>Besides I don't think I ever made the mistake to think of all American states as being the same.

Title of the thread: "Utah never ceases to make me go - WTF!"

Your comment: "Since the "niggardly controversy" it's clear you guys are the world leaders in PC hysteria. "

well, clearly he's only talking about Utahoeans (Utahans?, Utanians, Utahweiacs?)


Here's the funny part:

Most of us state, "wow, this school board is really messed up"

that board is the INDIVIDUALS that actually made the screwed up action. That's pretty much how most of us swing. I don't doubt that most of the citizens in Utah consider this one school's actions to be stupid too


But the same usual suspects keep throwing out their biases and find it self validating

"Utah" is messed up
"America" is messed up
"Democrats" are messed up
"Republicans" are messed up
etc
etc
etc

generality - in a country based on individualism don't be surprised we reply strongly when others try to put the citizens into little narrowly defined stereotyped bins

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[Marinus 0]

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Besides I don't think I ever made the mistake to think of all American states as being the same.

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"Since the "niggardly controversy" it's clear you guys are the world leaders in PC hysteria. "

And those two statements are conflicting because..... ?

[billvon 3,120]

>And those two statements are conflicting because....

Because Utah =/= US. You might want to think twice before calling someone ignorant if you do the same thing yourself.

(It is, however, a most excellent example of Skitt's Law.)

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try this on for size - culturally, in terms of diversity/dialects/size, etc, would you say the Netherlands is more like Utah/New Hampshire/Maine? or more like the entire US or China?

NL has 2 official indigenous languages that can be divided into 21 distinct dialects. Some of those (Dutch) dialects are so unlike my (standard) Dutch that I have trouble understanding them, one I can hardly understand. Linguistically we're very diverse, especially if you take our size in consideration. So no, I don't think the NL is as diverse as the whole of the US, but we're certainly not as boring as a single US state.

[Marinus 0]

So you say that if I make a generalizing statement about one aspect of US society I'm saying that all US states are the same? If I say that the US is the top exporter of grain does that mean that all states export a lot of grain? Oh well, I should have brought in a little nuance. So let me rephrase:

Every time I come across an example of PC that makes my coffee/beer/coca cola squirt out of my nose. Every time I think "This PC nonsense must be a hoax, right? ..............Right!?!" Every time I'm exposed to an example of PC that makes me check if the date isn't April 1st, it comes from the US of A. Coupled with my impression that these incidents don't appear out of thin air but are signs of a more structural socio-logic phenomenon, it let me draw the conclusion that the US is the most PC or one of the most PC nations on the planet. There's of course regional variety.

Happy now?

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but we're certainly not as boring as a single US state.

clearly you've driven through Kansas

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

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let me draw the conclusion that the US is the most PC or one of the most PC nations on the planet.

Would it be ignorant of me to assume this is because the US is one of the more culturally diverse nations on the planet that has had a rather negative past in the relations between those cultures?

It seems that the initial reasoning behing the PC stuff was to unite us as one, but it has gone beyond that and now imposes itself by defining what everyone else should be, rather than simply being a voice to respect our differences, if any...As they say, the road to hell is paved by good intentions...the devil is in the details and all that.

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

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clearly you've driven through Kansas

Well, flat boring farmland with tornados. That sounds a lot like the NL. Well our tornadoes are cute and cuddly of course.

Well, I was referring to cultural diversity. But it's only logical, Dutch culture had a lot more time to develop. And since most of that time the country pretty much consisted of rather isolated populations you get much cultural variety on a very small area.

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but we're certainly not as boring as a single US state.

clearly you've driven through Kansas

Hey, what about Nebraska?!

Bob Seger - Turn the Page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fe7yOccqdxI

On a long and lonesome highway
East of Omaha
You can listen to the engine
Moanin' out his one note song
You can think about the woman
Or the girl you knew the night before
But your thoughts will soon be wandering
The way they always do
When you're ridin' sixteen hours
And there's nothin' much to do
And you don't feel much like ridin',
You just wish the trip was through.....

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

[billvon 3,120]

>Well, I was referring to cultural diversity. But it's only logical, Dutch culture had
>a lot more time to develop.

True. Of course, so did Mexican, Korean, Vietnamese, Italian, German, Irish and Japanese cultures. Then they all moved to the US.

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>Well, I was referring to cultural diversity. But it's only logical, Dutch culture had
>a lot more time to develop.

True. Of course, so did Mexican, Korean, Vietnamese, Italian, German, Irish and Japanese cultures. Then they all moved to the US.

Well, everybody knows that the best American food is Chinese and Italian.

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True. Of course, so did Mexican, Korean, Vietnamese, Italian, German, Irish and Japanese cultures. Then they all moved to the US.

Shifting the goal posts are we, Bill? You only forgot people also migrate to the NL. We're not as diverse as you, but since you're 228 times bigger..... But yeah it sucks when a nation the size of Central Parks has 2 indigenous languages and 21 distinct dialects and you still want to proof you're more diverse.

[rehmwa 2]

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>Well, I was referring to cultural diversity. But it's only logical, Dutch culture had
>a lot more time to develop.

True. Of course, so did Mexican, Korean, Vietnamese, Italian, German, Irish and Japanese cultures. Then they all moved to the US.

the natives were here for quite awhile too, I believe

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[Andy9o8 2]

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>Well, I was referring to cultural diversity. But it's only logical, Dutch culture had
>a lot more time to develop.

True. Of course, so did Mexican, Korean, Vietnamese, Italian, German, Irish and Japanese cultures. Then they all moved to the US.

the natives were here for quite awhile too, I believe

Yeh but they got restless.

[billvon 3,120]

>We're not as diverse as you . . . .

Uh, OK.

>and you still want to proof you're more diverse.

I'll refer you to a Mr. Marinus who recently said "we're not as diverse as you."

[masterrig 1]

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but we're certainly not as boring as a single US state.

clearly you've driven through Kansas

Hey, what about Nebraska?!

Bob Seger - Turn the Page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fe7yOccqdxI

On a long and lonesome highway
East of Omaha
You can listen to the engine
Moanin' out his one note song
You can think about the woman
Or the girl you knew the night before
But your thoughts will soon be wandering
The way they always do
When you're ridin' sixteen hours
And there's nothin' much to do
And you don't feel much like ridin',
You just wish the trip was through.....

Bob Seger! Great song! I recall when he was with 'The Last Heard'!


Chuck

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>Well, I was referring to cultural diversity. But it's only logical, Dutch culture had
>a lot more time to develop.

True. Of course, so did Mexican, Korean, Vietnamese, Italian, German, Irish and Japanese cultures. Then they all moved to the US.

the natives were here for quite awhile too, I believe

How many cafe's offer potatoes, squash, fry bread and buffalo roast?


Chuck

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Congrats Bill, you now know how to quote people out of context. How does it feel to be on the level of creationists?

[billvon 3,120]

>How does it feel to be on the level of creationists?

I'll let your imagination supply that; wouldn't want to damage any other carefully protected preconceptions you have.

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I'll let your imagination supply that; wouldn't want to damage any other carefully protected preconceptions you have.

Preconceptions against one specific person, a.k.a. you, bill? How does that work?

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>I'm Sorry Bill, but Europe =/= Germany.

Germany is part of the EU. The EU made up of European countries. Indeed, its name is "the European Union."

But in any case it doesn't matter. You will be arrested in Germany as well if you dare to speak politically incorrectly.

...And here's an example of how one can be arrested and criminally prosecuted in the UK for speaking hatefully against gay people:

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2012/01/21/3-Muslims-guilty-of-anti-gay-leaflets/UPI-27601327123275/?spt=hs&or=tn

In the UK, that form of speech is deemed "a criminal offence". In the US, a court would refer to it as "constitutionally protected speech".

In fact, laws criminalizing hate speech are very commonplace throughout the world (including the Netherlands!). With one notable exception: The United States:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech

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There is an international consensus that hate speech needs to be prohibited by law, and that such prohibitions override or are irrelevant to guarantees of freedom of expression. The United States is unique among the developed world in that under law, hate speech regulation is incompatible with free speech.

...Laws prohibiting hate speech are unconstitutional in the United States, outside of obscenity, defamation, incitement to riot, and fighting words.[50][51][52] The United States federal government and state governments are broadly forbidden by the First Amendment of the Constitution from restricting speech.

...In the 1980s and 1990s, more than 350 public universities [in the U.S.] adopted "speech codes" regulating discriminatory speech by faculty and students.[59] These codes have not fared well in the courts, where they are frequently overturned as violations of the First Amendment

Seems to me that the US gives more legal protection to un-PC speech than just about anywhere else in the world.

[billvon 3,120]

>Preconceptions against one specific person, a.k.a. you, bill? How does that work?

Are you asking how preconceptions work? A dictionary might be a good tool for you here.

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Well, even with a dictionary prejudice doesn't really work if it's applied to one specific person. That could be a cultural difference of course.

[billvon 3,120]

>Well, even with a dictionary prejudice doesn't really work if it's applied to one specific person.

Hmm. And now you've changed the word we're talking about to "prejudice."

Generally you'll have more luck baiting someone else with games like that. Good luck getting someone going!