Santorum wins Iowa

[kallend 2,182]

Vote is certified - original tally was wrong.

blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/01/19/iowa-tally-gives-santorum-an-edge-but-no-firm-win/

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[jclalor 12]

And the GOP thinks they have all the Answers how to run an election with out fraud. One little shit hole state and they still couldn't do it right.

What an embarrassment .

[rushmc 23]

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And the GOP thinks they have all the Answers to how to run an election with out fraud. One little shit hole state and they still couldn't do it right.

What an embarrassment .

Ignorance is bliss

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[GeorgiaDon 385]

I wonder why the vote tally in 8 precincts will "never be certified"?

How come an 8-vote lead was a "win" for Romney, but a 34 vote lead for Santorum is a "tie"?

Don

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Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996)
“Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats)

[GeorgiaDon 385]

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And the GOP thinks they have all the Answers to how to run an election with out fraud. One little shit hole state and they still couldn't do it right.

What an embarrassment .

Ignorance is bliss

Ignorance of what? Why don't you enlighten us?

Don

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Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996)
“Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats)

[rushmc 23]

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And the GOP thinks they have all the Answers to how to run an election with out fraud. One little shit hole state and they still couldn't do it right.

What an embarrassment .

Ignorance is bliss

Ignorance of what? Why don't you enlighten us?

Don

Nothing to gain by doing so

Make your own conclusions (as I am sure you already have)

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

Apparently he was refering to his own ignorance.

- Dan G

[rushmc 23]

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Apparently he was refering to his own ignorance.

Yep

I dont know how the process works here

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

My second grade teacher taught me something I still remember well. It was during a vocabulary lesson. She asked what a certain word meant, and I tried unsuccessfully to define it. I ended with saying something like, "I can't explain it, but I know what it means." Her lesson: If you can't explain it to someone else, you don't really know it.

- Dan G

[rushmc 23]

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My second grade teacher taught me something I still remember well. It was during a vocabulary lesson. She asked what a certain word meant, and I tried unsuccessfully to define it. I ended with saying something like, "I can't explain it, but I know what it means." Her lesson: If you can't explain it to someone else, you don't really know it.

I am sorry you really dont know it

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[GeorgiaDon 385]

Since you're evidently incapable of explaining whatever this random clothes-moth of an "idea" is fluttering around in your brain, I suppose the notion that the Iowa Republicans are incapable of even organizing a functional caucus wins by default. If you pair that with the observation that only two candidates were able to follow the rules set by the Virginia Republican Party and get on the primary there, I'd say your party is showing themselves to be incapable of walking and chewing gum at the same time. And you want to run the country?

Don

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Tolerance is the cost we must pay for our adventure in liberty. (Dworkin, 1996)
“Education is not filling a bucket, but lighting a fire.” (Yeats)

[billvon 3,132]

>I wonder why the vote tally in 8 precincts will "never be certified"?
>How come an 8-vote lead was a "win" for Romney, but a 34 vote lead for
>Santorum is a "tie"?

So let's see:

They can't accurately tally their own elections.

When the GOP-anointed candidate wins by 8 votes it's a victory. When the undesired candidate wins by 34 votes, it's a tie.

Their candidates have too many illegal signatures to get on their own primaries.

And now conservative activist James O'Keefe has been implicated in trying to register dead people to vote.

And these are the people who we're supposed to take seriously when they claim that the "other side" commits voter fraud, and clamor for voter ID's? From the looks of things we could solve most cases of voting fraud by just checking republican's ID's.

Comedians worldwide are loving this. The GOP is writing their material for them.

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When the GOP-anointed candidate wins by 8 votes it's a victory. When the undesired candidate wins by 34 votes, it's a tie.

I think the answer is more subtle. The big battle is going to come down between Romney and somebody else. Right now it looks like that's Romney and Santorum. By declaring it a tie, if either of the two ends up being the final nominee, then both the Republican Party and Iowa save face. The Republican Party as a whole will not have "flip-flopped" (which is to them a mortal sin), and Iowa maintains its relevancy in the primary process.

By declaring a tie, it's a win-win.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[billvon 3,132]

>The Republican Party as a whole will not have "flip-flopped" (which is to
>them a mortal sin), and Iowa maintains its relevancy in the primary
>process.

Good point. And at that point they could "discover another error in their process" which means that the correct candidate really won to begin with.

[wmw999 2,602]

Remember Hanlon's razor -- Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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And now conservative activist James O'Keefe has been implicated in trying to register dead people to vote.

He got hired by ACORN?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[rehmwa 2]

I suspect Santorum actually winning is true.

Iowa is the perfect micro-cosm of the national political world.

They always picks the worst nutjob in for either party. (i.e., the one most defined pushing the social definition of each party's fringe). They really don't even focus on the fiscal types at all. It's church vs socialist and nothing in the middle.

they'd love speaker's corner

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[billvon 3,132]

>He got hired by ACORN?

Nope. In fact he tried to bust them and got his ass handed to him. He was very lucky to be able to cut a deal with the DA's office; he turned over all his tapes to avoid prosecution for fraud. (Although his troubles are not yet over; he's being sued by several people as we speak.)

And what do you know? The tapes indicated no wrongdoing by ACORN.

ACORN 1, O'Keefe 0.

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Remember Hanlon's razor -- Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

Wendy P.

Thank you! I tell my clients this all the time. I just did not know it had a name.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[rehmwa 2]

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Remember Hanlon's razor -- Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

Wendy P.

Thank you! I tell my clients this all the time. I just did not know it had a name.

I'd still attribute more to "tactical obtuseness" over "malice" or "stupidity" any day. Especially with a Keynesian Congress.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

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Iowa is the perfect micro-cosm of the national political world.

Some folks aren't going to see the ironic intent of your joke.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[rehmwa 2]

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Iowa is the perfect micro-cosm of the national political world.

Some folks aren't going to see the ironic intent of your joke.

It's only good for those that do anyway, and those that don't, it's too painful to explain - one side will explain/rationalize why I'm only wrong about their favorite party. And then the other side will take their turn. All very serious and earnest.


on a separate note: though - stating 'national ____world' is bit of a mis-write. maybe with nitpickers can be entertained for a while if they like.....

something for everyone here

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[kelpdiver 2]

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I wonder why the vote tally in 8 precincts will "never be certified"?

How come an 8-vote lead was a "win" for Romney, but a 34 vote lead for Santorum is a "tie"?

Don

And does this mean Romney is still the only guy to win both Iowa and New Hampshire, even though he really lost Iowa by the best count available?

If Bush won Florida in 2000 (he did), then Santorum won Iowa. Unfortunately, that 44 vote swing would have been worth a bit more to him 2 weeks ago than it is now.

Herman Cain is winning on Saturday!

[mnealtx 0]

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>He got hired by ACORN?

Nope. In fact he tried to bust them and got his ass handed to him.

Interesting version of history.

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And what do you know? The tapes indicated no wrongdoing by ACORN.

Given the current efficiency of DOJ, I find that unsurprising.

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ACORN 1, O'Keefe 0.

Sure thing, Bill.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

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>He got hired by ACORN?

Nope. In fact he tried to bust them and got his ass handed to him.

Interesting version of history.

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And what do you know? The tapes indicated no wrongdoing by ACORN.

Given the current efficiency of DOJ, I find that unsurprising.

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ACORN 1, O'Keefe 0.

Sure thing, Bill.

As usual, one's perspective of an issue comes down to sources of information and ones already estalished belief system.

The RWC information sources like Faux News, Lush Rimjob, et al, provide factually inaccurate information that bolsters an already established perspective. That perspective cannot and will not be moved by ANY amount of factual infomation on an issue. The facts will be totally ignored by RWCs. Only that information that supports the perspective as learned from factually inaccurate information sources will be accepted. No other information will be considered as that, among RWCs, is a sign of weakness and elitism that simply can't be tolerated.

The problem with this is that the RWCs are supporting policies and politicians that produce extremely bad outcomes for average citizens, like myself. The outcomes are spectacular for the 1%. RWCs, if they actually honestly considered the outcome of what they support, they might come to the realization that they are voting against the best interests of the USA as a whole. They certainly support policies and politicians that are against their own best interests.

Mike, you really should look up what voter fraud is, and what voter registration fraud is. Then look up what ACORN did, from a FACTUAL perspective. If you actually had the intellectual honesty to do this, and the character to admit when you have been led astray, you could become a better informed citizen.
It is very unlikely that ANY RWC has the ability to challenge themselves in this way. Closed minds and total lack of curiosity, and inability to question authority, are the hallmarks of RWC thinking. If Faux or Rush says something, it is true, no matter what the actual documented facts show.

With regards to Republican's inability to conduct an honest election when they control the entire process, it sure speaks volumes about just how morally and factually bankrupt they are. Can't even admit when they fucked up. If Santorum got the most votes, he won the contest. It isn't a tie, or a draw. They sound like politically correct liberals when they spew that bullshit.