kelpdiver 2 #76 February 1, 2012 Quote I defer to the experts, of course. But should it be that a particular currently-legal flash suppressor does in fact suppress muzzle flash, that could indeed assist the operator avoid giving away his position. from Wiki: flash suppressor, also known as a flash guard, flash eliminator, flash hider, or flash cone, is a device attached to the muzzle of a rifle or other gun that reduces the visible signature of the burning gases that exit the muzzle. This reduces the chances that the shooter will be blinded in dark conditions. A common misconception is that the flash suppressor is used to hide the shooter's position. This may be incidental, but is not the purpose of the flash suppressor. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #77 February 1, 2012 Did you know that people have actually been shot by unloaded guns? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHsX7STHqNg&feature=related Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,483 #78 February 1, 2012 QuoteQuoteWho knows the main difference between these two weapons? The one with the buttstock is NFA. Double-check me on this, but I believe the one without the buttstock is NFA. NFA allows for a 26" overall length with the buttstock in the extended position. Unfortunately, I've learned a lot more about weapons than I ever learned about weapon legislation.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bertt 0 #79 February 1, 2012 "Can you name one case of a criminal using a bayonet? " I bet you can find lots of cases where a criminal used a bayonet that was not attached to a rifle. Probably find even more where criminal used a kitchen knife.You don't have to outrun the bear. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #80 February 1, 2012 QuoteQuote I defer to the experts, of course. But should it be that a particular currently-legal flash suppressor does in fact suppress muzzle flash, that could indeed assist the operator avoid giving away his position. from Wiki: flash suppressor, also known as a flash guard, flash eliminator, flash hider, or flash cone, is a device attached to the muzzle of a rifle or other gun that reduces the visible signature of the burning gases that exit the muzzle. This reduces the chances that the shooter will be blinded in dark conditions. A common misconception is that the flash suppressor is used to hide the shooter's position. This may be incidental, but is not the purpose of the flash suppressor. I apologize for leaving the impression that I really care about this shit. I'll have to work on that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #81 February 1, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteWho knows the main difference between these two weapons? The one with the buttstock is NFA. Double-check me on this, but I believe the one without the buttstock is NFA. NFA allows for a 26" overall length with the buttstock in the extended position. Unfortunately, I've learned a lot more about weapons than I ever learned about weapon legislation. A stocked, rifled firearm with a barrel less than 16", or a shotgun with a barrel less than 18", is NFA. If you have a Contender or Encore, you can put a buttstock on when using a barrel 16" or longer. You are strongly advised to remove the stock before putting a 14" barrel on. Even with a pistol grip, a shotgun still needs 18" of barrel. This does not apply to blackpowder firearms, antiques or relics. Firearms laws are very location-dependent. When I lived in France I was impressed by the requirement that one must use a silencer if making too much noise violates noise ordinances. Blue skies, Winsor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #82 February 1, 2012 QuoteWhen I lived in France I was impressed by the requirement that one must use a silencer if making too much noise violates noise ordinances. They do have a penchant for protocol, n'est ce pas? In fact, according to the Napoleonic Code, when strangling one's wife, one is required to use a garrote. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #83 February 1, 2012 Quote I apologize for leaving the impression that I really care about this shit. I'll have to work on that. just making sure you're aware what suppressors actually do. You posted enough times to suggest you give at least two shits about it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,483 #84 February 1, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteWho knows the main difference between these two weapons? The one with the buttstock is NFA. Double-check me on this, but I believe the one without the buttstock is NFA. NFA allows for a 26" overall length with the buttstock in the extended position. Unfortunately, I've learned a lot more about weapons than I ever learned about weapon legislation. A stocked, rifled firearm with a barrel less than 16", or a shotgun with a barrel less than 18", is NFA. If you have a Contender or Encore, you can put a buttstock on when using a barrel 16" or longer. You are strongly advised to remove the stock before putting a 14" barrel on. Even with a pistol grip, a shotgun still needs 18" of barrel. This does not apply to blackpowder firearms, antiques or relics. Firearms laws are very location-dependent. When I lived in France I was impressed by the requirement that one must use a silencer if making too much noise violates noise ordinances. Blue skies, Winsor OK. I "think" we're along the same lines here and agree with you on the barrel length. In reference to his two pictures, 1) was with a collapsible buttstock that when extended made it compplaint with the 26" overall length, and 2) the weapon without the buttstock had a fixed buffer tube for the spring, thereby not allowing it to expand to the required 26" length. We saying the same thing? If not, it's really not that important to me... for me, the whole thing is a silly waste of time since there are more calibers of civilian weapons than that of "military assault weapons." I owned an UZI back in the 80's... The biggest dumbest -imho- ever design... an 11 pound 9mm pistol. If you're going to use a 9mm round, get a pistol. Hell, get two and carry lots of magazines. And, if the argument is - but, it's what the Israeli's use to clear buildings - give me a G3A4 with an HK79 and day and stand way back. Further.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #85 February 1, 2012 Quote"Can you name one case of a criminal using a bayonet? " I bet you can find lots of cases where a criminal used a bayonet that was not attached to a rifle. Probably find even more where criminal used a kitchen knife. So, what we have is: 1) No recorded cases of bayonets mounted on rifles used to stab people. 2) Maybe a few cases of bayonets used as knives to stab people. 3) Many kitchen knives used to stab a lot of people. And of those three, which one do many politicians consider a serious enough problem to ban? Yep, #1, the scenario that has never happened. This is gun control illogic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #86 February 1, 2012 QuoteYou know, I'm trying to help tighten up the argument and improve the presentation, while you're so locked into the mentality of "defend the perimeter" that that's all you see. Whatever. Well, your explanations are just wrong. Pointing that out is 'tightening up the argument' If you claim something that is false, then showing that serves the purpose of: 1. Education to those that are willing to learn. 2. Shutting down false information. If you are unwilling to learn, or unwilling to admit you were not correct.... That is not my fault. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #87 February 1, 2012 Pic one is a regulated weapon by the National Firearms Act of 1934. It is because it has a stock and a barrel that is less than 16" (looks to be about 7.5). Pic number two is a pistol and perfectly legal. To get weapon #1 you have to live in a state that allows SBR's. Then you have to register it on a form 4 (ATF form 5320.4), or make it on a form 1. You have to submit the form 1/4 (Two original copies) to the local Chief Law Enforcement Officer in the district that you live. He has to sign both. Then you have to send it in to the ATF&E with a check for 200 dollars, a citizenship form, two original form 1/4's, and two fingerprint cards and wait 4-6 months. Once you own the weapon you have to ask permission from the ATF to take it out of State and YOU have to be in possession of the weapon. You can't loan it to a buddy. To own weapon #2, you have to live in a State that allows pistols. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sammer 0 #88 February 2, 2012 "I owned an UZI back in the 80's... The biggest dumbest -imho- ever design... an 11 pound 9mm pistol." The full size UZI was designed in the 40's and it is an SMG not a pistol. It was designed for controllable full auto fire, that's not something a pistol can do. At the time it was more compact and controllable than just about anything else out there. It is a bit outdated now but still holds it's own in subgun matches. You won't see them here in Israel anymore but you do see the mini versions a lot with private security guys. Where I work they use them to keep papers from getting blown off of desks and to save your seat in the cafeteria when we go back for seconds. The semi version sold in the US is a dumb idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #89 February 2, 2012 Quote I owned an UZI back in the 80's... OMG, I forgot about those, LMAO...you are my hero!Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #90 February 2, 2012 QuoteWho knows the main difference between these two weapons? One's a piece of crap with the safety on. The other is a piece of crap with the safety off._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sammer 0 #91 February 2, 2012 Piece of crap #1 kinda looks like it has an auto sear pin, pic is too crappy to tell for sure though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #92 February 2, 2012 Quote Who knows the main difference between these two weapons? Within 2ft I could disarm you within 3 seconds...not sure about the other...Edit: btw, I was being generous...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,483 #93 February 2, 2012 Quote "I owned an UZI back in the 80's... The biggest dumbest -imho- ever design... an 11 pound 9mm pistol." The full size UZI was designed in the 40's and it is an SMG not a pistol. It was designed for controllable full auto fire, that's not something a pistol can do. At the time it was more compact and controllable than just about anything else out there. It is a bit outdated now but still holds it's own in subgun matches. You won't see them here in Israel anymore but you do see the mini versions a lot with private security guys. Where I work they use them to keep papers from getting blown off of desks and to save your seat in the cafeteria when we go back for seconds. The semi version sold in the US is a dumb idea. Sorry for the miscommunication. I'm quite familiar with its development and classification... my point was that for something that shoots a 9mm (a pistol round) and that an Uzi weighs 11 pounds... was poking fun at it. It seems to have found a useful place in the IDF... as a paperweight (which was kinda my point). Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sammer 0 #94 February 2, 2012 Yeah I guess we're on the same page. I just wanted to point out that the original design wasn't without merit. Back then people were using Sten's. How 40 years later they managed to market and sell it as a 11lb 9mm pistol is something else entirely. Those 16 inch barrels are hilarious as well. I used to own a UZI SMG and it was a decent gun, very controllable, but once I got a hold of an HK...well I've never missed it much. Oh, and I'm not talking about full size UZI's at work (or the IDF). Private security here uses the shit out of the mini's. They are actually not bad SMG's but they are mostly just for show where I'm at. I think the mini SMG was by far the best of the UZI family. The IDF seems to have moved on to short barreled M-16 variants and TAVOR's. I've seen what looked to be 7 inch barreled M-16's over here and I would love to find out how they got those pistol length gas systems to work....I can't. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,483 #95 February 2, 2012 QuoteYeah I guess we're on the same page. I just wanted to point out that the original design wasn't without merit. Back then people were using Sten's. How 40 years later they managed to market and sell it as a 11lb 9mm pistol is something else entirely. Those 16 inch barrels are hilarious as well. I used to own a UZI SMG and it was a decent gun, very controllable, but once I got a hold of an HK...well I've never missed it much. Oh, and I'm not talking about full size UZI's at work (or the IDF). Private security here uses the shit out of the mini's. They are actually not bad SMG's but they are mostly just for show where I'm at. I think the mini SMG was by far the best of the UZI family. The IDF seems to have moved on to short barreled M-16 variants and TAVOR's. I've seen what looked to be 7 inch barreled M-16's over here and I would love to find out how they got those pistol length gas systems to work....I can't. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6r4lvjMsB4Y It's a kit.. Wade around on their site a bit and you get the idea... http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=272 http://www.rockriverarms.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=532Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sammer 0 #96 February 3, 2012 Yeah it's a RRA 7" pistol upper I had trouble with. I didn't mess with it much. It didn't run worth a damn on my M16A1 lower. Maybe it's just a matter of tweaking the gas port or buffer weight. I'll give it another shot when I get home I guess. I'm really not sure what a 7" barreled M16 is good for anyway. You would probably be better off with an UZI Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,483 #97 February 3, 2012 Quote Yeah it's a RRA 7" pistol upper I had trouble with. I didn't mess with it much. It didn't run worth a damn on my M16A1 lower. Maybe it's just a matter of tweaking the gas port or buffer weight. I'll give it another shot when I get home I guess. I'm really not sure what a 7" barreled M16 is good for anyway. You would probably be better off with an UZI Ya know.. I don't get it either. Why piddle with that siliness when there's a perfectly good MP5 just around the corner Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
aarco 0 #98 February 6, 2012 IN my ex teams it was an M-4 - Remington over the back - a special SIG Trio- hip - torso - vest - and blades by the pockets - save that ever present Officer eyeing that Gut kit on my left upper vest - little plate armor for the southern Afgany sands - Radio - water - optics by the paper- see nothing - remember even less - MREs were for soldiers - were did that hero feeling go ?? Oh thats right it went to hell. Having something never beats doing (>|<) Iam building things - Iam working on my mind- I am going to change this world - its what I came here 4- - - Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
