Skyrad 0 #1 January 16, 2012 I found a interesting and very balanced article about the USMC soldiers pissing on the enemy dead, on Al Jezeera English. http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/01/201211572445109707.html If you haven't seen the video of the US Marines pissing on the corpses you can see it here. http://tinyurl.com/6opm7rl Is this a 'few rotten apples'? I don't think so but I do agree with the Al Jeezera article.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #2 January 16, 2012 QuoteI found a interesting and very balanced article about the USMC soldiers pissing on the enemy dead, on Al Jezeera English. http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/01/201211572445109707.html If you haven't seen the video of the US Marines pissing on the corpses you can see it here. http://tinyurl.com/6opm7rl Is this a 'few rotten apples'? I don't think so but I do agree with the Al Jeezera article. What does that mean? MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #3 January 16, 2012 Thanks for posting this; and thanks for posting it in a new thread. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #4 January 16, 2012 If you read the article you will see what I mean.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #5 January 16, 2012 QuoteIf you read the article you will see what I mean. I did read it, I want to know what YOU meant by it. Not what I think you thought the article said. So as to avoid confusion. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #6 January 16, 2012 What I meant is that I don't believe that the Marines did this because they were some how worse than their comrades. Young men at war commit acts that they would not normally commit in other parts of their life. Its not a American thing or a USMC thing, young Japanese men committed atrocities they later regretted in their lives during WWII and before just as young British soldiers have, as have the soldiers of any army or any country as far back as man has gone to war. Inhumane is simply a word used by people to make themselves feel comfortable by distinguishing between the acts of others from the darker side of their own human nature.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marinus 0 #7 January 16, 2012 Very interesting article, thanks for posting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #8 January 16, 2012 Hi Wendy, thanks for bringing the other thread to my attention, I had looked to see if there was one but didn't see it. I'm transferring my comments to the other thread so the Greenies can lock this one.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #9 January 16, 2012 I saw this is in the other thread too. Thanks for answering the question. I think they are just a "few bad apples" personally. But I also understand they wouldn't even be "apples", normally. But we have, and will continue to have, the need for "apples". History will keep repeating, we will keep recording it, and we will keep debating its consequences. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #10 January 16, 2012 Agreed.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #11 January 16, 2012 QuoteHi Wendy, thanks for bringing the other thread to my attention, I had looked to see if there was one but didn't see it. I'm transferring my comments to the other thread so the Greenies can lock this one. No problem. We can never have enough threads that bash the honor and integrity of U.S. troops. Oh, and we're a little short on our religion-bashing quota this morning - could you start another thread on that too, please? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #12 January 16, 2012 John, these troops did enough on their own. By treating this as the infraction that it is, within the UCMJ, the military can show the honor and integrity that the vast majority of its members have. One of the best things about the US is that its systems (mostly) work, and it's self-correcting. People can address problems from within the system. Same goes for the military. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #13 January 16, 2012 Quote No problem. We can never have enough threads that bash the honor and integrity of U.S. troops. These men bash the honour of the USMC not me.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #14 January 16, 2012 QuoteJohn, these troops did enough on their own. By treating this as the infraction that it is, within the UCMJ, the military can show the honor and integrity that the vast majority of its members have. One of the best things about the US is that its systems (mostly) work, and it's self-correcting. People can address problems from within the system. Same goes for the military. Wendy P. +1 That is where it should now belong"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DiverMike 5 #15 January 16, 2012 Until I am in a firefight fighting for my life, I will withhold judging the actions of those who lived it. They will be judged and punished by their peers. I do thank the thousands of troops who have put themselves in harms way for my benefit and acted honorably. They don't get the front page news. For the same reason I jump off a perfectly good diving board. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mirage62 0 #16 January 16, 2012 +100 This is an over reaction to PC. Should the troops be punished? Yes. Ruin a career? IMO no. Who here knows what they had just been through? OTOH is it a great thing? Of course not. Is it the end of the world? People get your head out of your asses. THEY KILLED THEM. Pissing on them is hardly the question. Bring them home. All of them. We as a country do not have the desire to do this.Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 334 #17 January 16, 2012 For me, it comes down to what is the best for promoting US interests. If pissing on dead people helps us achieve our goals, I don't have much objection. If it interferes with us achieving our goals, I'm against it. I expect that the military is pretty clear in training as to what is and is not appropriate behavior in best achieving our goals. If not a part of basic training, I would be amazed, and it should be. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #18 January 17, 2012 The worrying bit is I actually believe that you think this.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meso 38 #19 January 17, 2012 +1. I thought it could only be trolling. But it appears that it may actually be legitimate beliefs. But I'm sure if you were asked to take a bullet in the face today because it would help objectives, you'd be quite opposed to the idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
