popsjumper 2 #101 January 18, 2012 Really, I don't want to argue with you. We simply have different viewpoints...and that's OK in my book. I feel for the guy. Not because he's Tebow but because he's a youngster to the sport at that level and they, as a group, live under a microscope when they are coming up. Heck, I felt sorry for Terry Bradshaw. You may remember how much he got hammered for not being very smart....redneck from Louisiana and all that. Elway himself got hammered....many, many young players get hammered right out of the gate. It seems that the aficionados expect perfection right from the get-go and I think that's unreasonable. Hammering him for performance is one thing, hammering for religious beliefs is over the top, in my book. Regardless of any opinion on his religious beliefs, you gotta admit, he's proven himself to be a respectable young man....and has done that consistently throughout his life both on and off the field. Heck, at least give him that, eh?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #102 January 18, 2012 QuoteHammering him for performance is one thing, hammering for religious beliefs is over the top, in my book. I agree, generally. But he's also a professional entertainer in the public spotlight, and publicity is one of the key currencies of being a public figure - movie or rock star, political pundit, politician - or major league professional athlete. So, when he makes a point of doing the "kneel-down thing" on national TV, knowing fully well the cameras are trained on him at that moment and that millions of people are watching him do it, he can expect that that comes with some scrutiny. And scrutiny takes both positive and negative forms; that's just the way life is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #103 January 18, 2012 QuoteSo, when he makes a point of doing the "kneel-down thing" on national TV, knowing fully well the cameras are trained on him at that moment and that millions of people are watching him do it, he can expect that that comes with some scrutiny he's done it all along. The cameras just started training on him doing it. Do the cameras focus on Troy Polamalu crossing himself before and after every play? Nope. That's just Troy being Troy. And he's just a safety. How about Brian Dawkins? He's more evangelical than Tebow and Dawkins IS ON THE BRONCOS! Yeah - Tebow got a lot of focus. Recall Kurt Warner. He got the focus and was just damned good as a QB. Versus Tebow. Part of the mystique is that the guy sucks so badly so often. But still wins. Tebow's a good guy. He's a Bronco, therefore I hate him, but he's a good guy. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #104 January 18, 2012 Quote He's a Bronco, therefore I hate him I don't care what anyone says, being able to keep life simple is a skill We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #105 January 18, 2012 Quote he's done it all along. The cameras just started training on him doing it. Do the cameras focus on Troy Polamalu crossing himself before and after every play? Nope. That's just Troy being Troy. And he's just a safety. How about Brian Dawkins? He's more evangelical than Tebow and Dawkins IS ON THE BRONCOS! Yeah - Tebow got a lot of focus. Recall Kurt Warner. He got the focus and was just damned good as a QB. Versus Tebow. Part of the mystique is that the guy sucks so badly so often. But still wins. I am not sure how you quantify who is more evangelical than the next guy, but I am not sure Dawkins evangelizes more than Tebow. "The first thing I did was thank my Lord (bla, bla, bla) , then I ran down the field, then I (bla,bla,bla) again, then I congratulated my teammates,..." An interview with Dawkins or Warner would never be without its compulsory evangelization, but Tebow one ups them by doing it twice (at least). I notice that neither Warner nor Bradshaw throw one in every time they speak from the analysts booth. Probably because they recognize (or have been told) that they are being paid to talk about football. I think we have all gotten used to evangelical Christians, and some non evangelicals, mentioning their faith during interviews (kind of like Muslims who do the same thing). Tebow has moved the bar in my view towards the in your face annoying standard of the JWs. If the manifester at the DZ felt the need to trumpet their religion everytime they turned the mike on I think you would find people's reaction very similar to that of the public to Tebow. When you hard sell anything you become divisive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #106 January 19, 2012 QuoteBullshit. The press has been gushing about this guy's religion and his devotion to it since his junior year. The first time I ever heard of him I tuned in to watch a football game and was given a 10 minute lecture about what a wonderful person he is Since you refuse answer when you saw this 10 min "lecture", I'll have to assume it's the same one I saw several weeks ago that was probably in response to the band wagon that had already taken off with the Tebow Hater's club, SNL, and whoever else. Before all this hoopla I figured Tebow was just another overrated quarterback because he has that all american football "look" and a funny name that sounds really cool when you shout it out loud...Then I saw that 10 minute "lecture" or whatever you wanna call it and saw him as an individual with a very exceptional personality whose positivity is something with which you'd want to surround yourself. Personally I don't see myself as over paying too much attention to this tebow hype, he's just another guy worthy of taking note. I thought this troll post from gher was laughable - probably the most predictable and stupid thing ever posted in SC. I really had no inclination to humor it, but I thought Andy Boyd's post was spot on and showed some class. His post enticed me to shed some light on the question of how someone cannot like this guy regardless of wether or not you believe in God. It's funny how the christophobes will rag on anything negative christians do..."He said a bad swear, his profile pic is pointing a gun at me, that christian made me mad, he's bad." They'll go on and on how christians are sooo unlike Christ and throw christian virtue in our faces...ok fine, that isn't so unreasonable, a bit obtuse, but not unreasonable....but then they'll go on and attempt to assasinate the character of christians who are displaying the virtue they'd expect, simply because they can't stand christianity being portrayed in a positive light. You just can't win with these people...their hatred is just too deeply rooted. I can almost see some of them scanning various news sources vigorously as they salivate with that bloodthirsty look on their face searching for any sign of Tebow getting caught smoking a joint or jaywalking just so they can say, "see, christians are evil...you don't wanna be a part of that, do you?"Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgoose71 0 #107 January 19, 2012 Quote I can almost see some of them scanning various news sources vigorously as they salivate with that bloodthirsty look on their face searching for any sign of Tebow getting caught smoking a joint or jaywalking just so they can say, "see, christians are evil...you don't wanna be a part of that, do you?" +1 You hit the nail on the head with that one. Christians can't do anything good, minorities and women can't be conservative, and business can't do anything for the little guy (like give them a good job). If they are portrayed in any other way, it blows the lefts stereotype out of the water. And we can't have that, or the left's agenda might loose ground..."There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #108 January 19, 2012 QuoteQuoteSo, when he makes a point of doing the "kneel-down thing" on national TV, knowing fully well the cameras are trained on him at that moment and that millions of people are watching him do it, he can expect that that comes with some scrutiny he's done it all along. The cameras just started training on him doing it. Do the cameras focus on Troy Polamalu crossing himself before and after every play? Nope. That's just Troy being Troy. And he's just a safety. How about Brian Dawkins? He's more evangelical than Tebow and Dawkins IS ON THE BRONCOS! Yeah - Tebow got a lot of focus. Recall Kurt Warner. He got the focus and was just damned good as a QB. Versus Tebow. Part of the mystique is that the guy sucks so badly so often. But still wins. Tebow's a good guy. He's a Bronco, therefore I hate him, but he's a good guy. I see this moring the he played through rib, lung and chest injuries in the last game"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #109 January 19, 2012 QuoteWhen you hard sell anything you become divisive... ...to those who just cannot abide live and let live, yes.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #110 January 19, 2012 Quote he's done it all along. The cameras just started training on him doing it. ...right after the bandwagon cranked up. Media is good at picking up on what the populace is talking about. Quote Tebow's a good guy. He's a Bronco, therefore I hate him, but he's a good guy. OK...he's a Bronco yet as strong as my convictions are, I can still forgive him even for that. He's supposed to play for God's Team...the Cowboys. "GO LOCAL SPORTS TEAM!" Ummmmmm.....let me retract that....I live in the Atlanta area. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #111 January 19, 2012 Quote Quote he's done it all along. The cameras just started training on him doing it. ...right after the bandwagon cranked up. Media is good at picking up on what the populace is talking about. Quote Tebow's a good guy. He's a Bronco, therefore I hate him, but he's a good guy. OK...he's a Bronco yet as strong as my convictions are, I can still forgive him even for that. He's supposed to play for God's Team...the Cowboys. "GO LOCAL SPORTS TEAM!" Ummmmmm.....let me retract that....I live in the Atlanta area. You repling to me???"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #112 January 19, 2012 Quote You repling to me??? If that was a mistake, let me know and I'll delete. It was refreshing actually agreeing with you for a change. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #113 January 19, 2012 Quote Quote You repling to me??? If that was a mistake, let me know and I'll delete. It was refreshing actually agreeing with you for a change. this is all I posted Quote I see this moring the he played through rib, lung and chest injuries in the last game "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #114 January 19, 2012 QuoteI see this moring the he played through rib, lung and chest injuries in the last game Yep. That's called being a quarterback. It's called being a professional football player. Tebow has shown he's tough. He just hasn't shown any consistent ability to be a passer in the NFL My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #115 January 19, 2012 QuoteQuoteI see this moring the he played through rib, lung and chest injuries in the last game Yep. That's called being a quarterback. It's called being a professional football player. Tebow has shown he's tough. He just hasn't shown any consistent ability to be a passer in the NFL Running the ball a lot will increase the number of injuries. Not generally very good for a quarterback in the NFL. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #116 January 19, 2012 Quote Running the ball a lot will increase the number of injuries. Not generally very good for a quarterback in the NFL. Reminds me of Steve Young when he was with the Bucs. We know Steve was a scrambler. While with the Bucs, he scrambled a lot, not because he wanted to but because he HAD to. Glad he survived the Bucs days. My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #117 January 19, 2012 Why is this in SC? This is Bonfire fodder.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #118 January 19, 2012 QuoteWhy is this in SC? This is Bonfire fodder. Probably due to the explicit reference to religion in the OP.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #119 January 20, 2012 Quote Since you refuse answer when you saw this 10 min "lecture", I'll have to assume it's the same one I saw several weeks ago that was probably in response to the band wagon that had already taken off with the Tebow Hater's club, SNL, and whoever else. What part of, "since his junior year" don't you understand. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #120 January 20, 2012 QuoteQuote Since you refuse answer when you saw this 10 min "lecture", I'll have to assume it's the same one I saw several weeks ago that was probably in response to the band wagon that had already taken off with the Tebow Hater's club, SNL, and whoever else. What part of, "since his junior year" don't you understand. Ok, so sometime within the past 4 years...thanks for clearing that up champ.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #121 January 20, 2012 Quote Quote Since you refuse answer when you saw this 10 min "lecture", I'll have to assume it's the same one I saw several weeks ago that was probably in response to the band wagon that had already taken off with the Tebow Hater's club, SNL, and whoever else. What part of, "since his junior year" don't you understand. ...the part where you didn't say you saw it during his junior year? My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andrewwhyte 1 #122 January 20, 2012 Well, I referred to things happening "since time X." Then I talked about "the first time." I think someone who is not being deliberately obtuse can surmise that an event that has been happening since time X, first occurred at time X. I am tempted to make a crack here about Christians and logic, but I will stick to my assertion about being deliberately obtuse. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #123 January 21, 2012 QuoteWell, I referred to things happening "since time X." Then I talked about "the first time." I think someone who is not being deliberately obtuse can surmise that an event that has been happening since time X, first occurred at time X. I am tempted to make a crack here about Christians and logic, but I will stick to my assertion about being deliberately obtuse. It would've been easier to just answer the damn question, but I guess that's just too hard for you...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #124 January 21, 2012 QuoteQuoteWell, I referred to things happening "since time X." Then I talked about "the first time." I think someone who is not being deliberately obtuse can surmise that an event that has been happening since time X, first occurred at time X. I am tempted to make a crack here about Christians and logic, but I will stick to my assertion about being deliberately obtuse. It would've been easier to just answer the damn question, but I guess that's just too hard for you... Sez it all: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfcZeLpWQsY&feature=relatedYour secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
