footage emerges showing U.S. troops urinating on dead Afghan bodies

[Creep0321 0]

Shit happens, yes. Its war, the problem is these idiots decided to video tape one of the many stupid things that happens on deployment. Is it bad compared to what the Taliban would do if they had run across a few dead Marines? no, not at all, I can think of a specific example from 2009 which I will not share in this setting. The media is blowing this out of proportion, its that simple.

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[Marinus 0]

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There was some pretty weak leadership here.

I think you're right. They seem rather comfortable with pissing on corpses. This probably means that the habit of pissing on corpses isn't frowned upon too much by their peers or leaders

[Remster 30]

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Is it bad compared to what the Taliban would do if they had run across a few dead Marines? no, not at all,

What an awesome standard to aspire to.

Remster

[Creep0321 0]

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Is it bad compared to what the Taliban would do if they had run across a few dead Marines? no, not at all,

What an awesome standard to aspire to.

Not aspiring to it, simply making a comparison.

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[billvon 3,132]

>Is it bad compared to what the Taliban would do if they had run across
>a few dead Marines? no, not at all

Ah, then it's OK.

And when the Taliban do that again they can say "is it bad compared to what the US would do if it came across some dead Arabs?" Maybe they'll drag a few more US soldiers through the streets. Hopefully the press won't report on something like that; if they do they will be blowing things out of proportion.

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Ah, then it's OK.

And when the Taliban do that again they can say "is it bad compared to what the US would do if it came across some dead Arabs?" Maybe they'll drag a few more US soldiers through the streets. Hopefully the press won't report on something like that; if they do they will be blowing things out of proportion.

Arabs do what again? cut off more heads, drag more bodies through the street? burn them? hang them from a bridge? murder innocent civilans, intentionally? shot a kid in the back of the head and try to blame the US for collateral dammage? if you honestly think pissing on a corpse is in the same league, you sir have some issues.

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[BoogeyMan 0]

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Ah, then it's OK.

And when the Taliban do that again they can say "is it bad compared to what the US would do if it came across some dead Arabs?" Maybe they'll drag a few more US soldiers through the streets. Hopefully the press won't report on something like that; if they do they will be blowing things out of proportion.

Arabs do what again? cut off more heads, drag more bodies through the street? burn them? hang them from a bridge? murder innocent civilans, intentionally? shot a kid in the back of the head and try to blame the US for collateral dammage? if you honestly think pissing on a corpse is in the same league, you sir have some issues.

Been trying to explain it all day to these REMF's.
Some of the same folks, too.

No, it is not accepted policy.
Yes, It happens.
Yes, it will happen again.
Yes, I will vote for acquittal at the GCM.

[billvon 3,132]

>burn them? hang them from a bridge? murder innocent civilans,
>intentionally? shot a kid in the back of the head and try to blame the US
>for collateral dammage? if you honestly think pissing on a corpse is in the
> same league . . .

I don't. There is no comparison between abusing corpses and killing people. Why are you comparing them? Sounds like you have a few issues to work through.

[Creep0321 0]

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I don't. There is no comparison between abusing corpses and killing people. Why are you comparing them? Sounds like you have a few issues to work through.

Wow.... slick trying to twist my words there killer. However in both instances the killing was already done, ya know in a firefight... o wait you don't know. So don't talk on the topic.

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[popsjumper 2]

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This should help the Taliban recruitment drive.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2085378/US-troops-urinating-dead-Afghan-bodies-video-used-Taliban-recruitment-tool.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Here again, what's the fuss?

- It's like putting women's panties over the enemy's head. Big deal. I couldn't even detect the urine flow in the video.

-there are probably videos of U.S.Troops urinating on each other. One of the Marines understood the meaning of "Golden Showers."

-Back in the day, troops would often cut off an ear and attach it to their web gear after leaving a unit death card in the corpse's mouth.

-It's called combat

and therein lies the whole problem. Some accept that mentality as proper. Do you not see anything wrong with your statements?



Did you just let you moral values out to the public?

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....and not everyone is cut out for it. But, if you are, you better have the right attitude about it. Otherwise, you won't live very long.

Spoken as if survival is dependent on doing all those things you list....unbelievable.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[popsjumper 2]

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Grow some hair on your balls, people.....

Why that approach?

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War usually tends to get very nasty.

True.

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There are loads of vids of the Taliban beheading people. Does that bump up ANA recruiting?

American Neurological Association? Who knows for sure? I would guess yes though...just a gut feeling.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

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Yeah, bad stuff is bound to happen during war, but some stuff is uncalled for I think, besides you've to draw the line somewhere. Since pissing on corpses isn't strictly necessary, and it upsets a lot of people, you might as well draw the line there.

It's very difficult to control people who have just been "nearly killed" in a fight. Emotions run super high. Far higher than any skydive will ever produce. But place it in perspective.....
A guy aims an AK at your chest, and pulls the trigger... He missed, or was empty. You, Marinus, then stitch him from his navel to his right shoulder. This ain't the fuckin' movies either. He's dead. You're alive. Try taking your own pulse and controlling yourself after some shit like that. It's not an easy thing to do. Then work through that scenario again and again day and night, awake or in your dreams for a year. Then again for two or three more deployments. See my point?

I see what you are saying...and yes it does happen. Some bozos just can't control themselves. Then again, some can and just have that mental make-up that they like doing those things.

However, none of that excuses the behavior. That behavior is much, much more a reflection on the person than the situation.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[RonD1120 62]

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Spoken as if survival is dependent on doing all those things you list....unbelievable.

Negative.

It was a comment not a directive.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 62]

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This should help the Taliban recruitment drive.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2085378/US-troops-urinating-dead-Afghan-bodies-video-used-Taliban-recruitment-tool.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Here again, what's the fuss?

- It's like putting women's panties over the enemy's head. Big deal. I couldn't even detect the urine flow in the video.

-there are probably videos of U.S.Troops urinating on each other. One of the Marines understood the meaning of "Golden Showers."

-Back in the day, troops would often cut off an ear and attach it to their web gear after leaving a unit death card in the corpse's mouth.

-It's called combat

and therein lies the whole problem. Some accept that mentality as proper. Do you not see anything wrong with your statements?



Did you just let you moral values out to the public?

Additional comment from review:

1. No, I don't see anything wrong with my statements. As I stated above, they are comments.

2. I am not concerned with the public opinion of my morals. I report to a higher authority.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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...and therein lies the whole problem. Some accept that mentality as proper. Do you not see anything wrong with your statements?


Did you just let you moral values out to the public?

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Additional comment from review:

1. No, I don't see anything wrong with my statements. As I stated above, they are comments.

2. I am not concerned with the public opinion of my morals. I report to a higher authority.

This was your comment that raised the questions in my mind:
"Here again, what's the fuss?"

It sounded like you were minimizing.
Reading your later posts, I may have been off base.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[popsjumper 2]

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I don't. There is no comparison between abusing corpses and killing people. Why are you comparing them? Sounds like you have a few issues to work through.

Wow.... slick trying to twist my words there killer. However in both instances the killing was already done, ya know in a firefight... o wait you don't know. So don't talk on the topic.

Well, Creep, YOU made the comparisons so what was "twisted"?

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Arabs do what again? cut off more heads, drag more bodies through the street? burn them? hang them from a bridge? murder innocent civilans, intentionally? shot a kid in the back of the head and try to blame the US for collateral dammage? if you honestly think pissing on a corpse is in the same league, you sir have some issues.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[pirana 0]

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Grow some hair on your balls, people..... War usually tends to get very nasty. There are loads of vids of the Taliban beheading people. Does that bump up ANA recruiting?
Somebody, I'm sure can pull up pix of dead German civilians melted in to the streets of Dresden. Then someone else will post a pic of bodies at a SS camp. Then another.....
Wars get B-A-D.

Exactly. Want rules for your fights, join a gym and take up boxing.

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

[Channman 2]

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This should help the Taliban recruitment drive.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2085378/US-troops-urinating-dead-Afghan-bodies-video-used-Taliban-recruitment-tool.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

I think many of the little boys we have here on DZ.COM need to MAN UP. You don't have to like it...it's war, you just need to learn to deal with it. As an AMERICAN I stand with these men, maybe a moment in the corner, and a slap on the wrist with some sensitivity training. Other than that, get the hell out of the way and let these MEN, do what they are trained to do, kill the enemy and if blowing off some steam is required so be it.

As for the camera man, a ass kicking for being an idiot for filming it.

[BoogeyMan 0]

Wow..... You're really upset.
ANA is Afghan National Army. I know that you and Christelsabine are all squeezy,. See yourself as some sort of Knight in all shiny armor, do you? So I'll ignore you from here on.

[Marinus 0]

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Grow some hair on your balls, people.....

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Why that approach?

Don't you know?

If you've got a problem with desecration of corpses, you should grow hair on your balls.

If you've got a problem random killings of innocent civilians , you should grow a goatee

If massacres bother you, a circle beard is advised.

Genocides are a lot less troublesome with a full beard

Grow chest hair, and torture won't keep you awake at night.

Hairy arms will do in case of torture

etc.

It's all in the Macho Handbook

[BoogeyMan 0]

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This should help the Taliban recruitment drive.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2085378/US-troops-urinating-dead-Afghan-bodies-video-used-Taliban-recruitment-tool.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

I think many of the little boys we have here on DZ.COM need to MAN UP. You don't have to like it...it's war, you just need to learn to deal with it. As an AMERICAN I stand with these men, maybe a moment in the corner, and a slap on the wrist with some sensitivity training. Other than that, get the hell out of the way and let these MEN, do what they are trained to do, kill the enemy and if blowing off some steam is required so be it.

As for the camera man, a ass kicking for being an idiot for filming it.

Too many REMF's here who have possibly been a few places, but have never actually done anything of importance for anyone else.
I would wager than if any of these little boys ever smelled or saw a real freshly killed enemy they would invert themselves puking like little girls.

[wmw999 2,602]

There was a story on NPR about this last night (of course). It was a call-in, where they asked Marines, preferably with experience, to call in.

Almost to a man, they said that this was unacceptable. One of the great things about being a Marine is the training, and this is against all that training. In fact, I think the only "slap on the wrist" caller-in was a woman who said she couldn't imagine being there.

One thing that one of the callers-in said stuck with me. He said you're given permission to kill as a soldier or sailor. That means that the lines of distinction between right and wrong are more, not less, sharply delineated, and that they're set out by the code of conduct.

Makes sense to me.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[kallend 2,182]

Wow, some of you guys come over like the John Goodman character in The Big Lebowski.

You really need to get a grip.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[BoogeyMan 0]

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There was a story on NPR about this last night (of course). It was a call-in, where they asked Marines, preferably with experience, to call in.

Almost to a man, they said that this was unacceptable. One of the great things about being a Marine is the training, and this is against all that training. In fact, I think the only "slap on the wrist" caller-in was a woman who said she couldn't imagine being there.

One thing that one of the callers-in said stuck with me. He said you're given permission to kill as a soldier or sailor. That means that the lines of distinction between right and wrong are more, not less, sharply delineated, and that they're set out by the code of conduct.

Makes sense to me.

Wendy P.

I agree with that. And indeed there is a Code of Conduct, and the UCMJ that all service persons are aware of.
I have not yet, anywhere in this thread stated that I condone the conduct of those jarheads. I have repeatedly said that I understand how it can happen. Nothing more. In earlier posts this point has been repeatedly stated. However, for a sad variety of loser reasons, the anti's here continue to purposefully "not get it".
Has any poster here yet tasked the Taliban about beheading civilians? Not one. It's simply about America bashing. Nothing more. One poster on this thread was "joking" about the Nazi's massacring Greeks in another thread yesterday.

[BoogeyMan 0]

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Wow, some of you guys come over like the John Goodman character in The Big Lebowski.

You really need to get a grip.

( chuckle)Well, which is it? "...some of you guys.." ".. you really need..." You are a prof of Eng. and also a Shrink? Wow.! and I do mean, WOW.......!
And this from a man that likes planes that have their tail on backwards.