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I like your science, I do not like your scientists. - Corandhi

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

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Science is nothing but a series of corrected mistakes.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

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This is just reporting a change in position and rewrite in several articles.

When "science" apologies individually and personally to each of us red wine drinkers.....

When Dr Das comes over and personally reimburses me for every bottle of red wine I've purchased over the last 20 years.....

When science gives me the promised extra years of my life they advertised....

then I'll forgive them

So...you believe in Bacchus, eh?

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
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Science is nothing but a series of corrected mistakes.

Ya, which is passed off as truth and imposed on evreyone else's beliefs as if it's some type of supreme authority...

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

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If you're talking about god(regardless of your imaginings of what that god is), then you're talking about mythology.

I loathe to see this conversation devolve into an argument over semantics. But, here goes anyway...

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mythology - a traditional or legendary story, usually concerning some being or hero or event, with or without a determinable basis of fact or a natural explanation, especially one that is concerned with deities or demigods and explains some practice, rite, or phenomenon of nature.

Language is difficult. Especially when discussing certain phenomenon. I would love to see another word other than God being employed here, but it seems it's the best our language has been able to do for us, to date.

I am discussing an energy that exists, that hasn't yet been measured by accepted rigorous scientific methods (actually can't be measured by rigorous scientific methods that require reproducible observations independent of the observer because invariably it is the observer that's observing itself), and is accessible personally to those who choose to pursue it.

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This is just reporting a change in position and rewrite in several articles.

When "science" apologies individually and personally to each of us red wine drinkers.....

When Dr Das comes over and personally reimburses me for every bottle of red wine I've purchased over the last 20 years.....

When science gives me the promised extra years of my life they advertised....

then I'll forgive them

So...you believe in Bacchus, eh?

is that the actor that played Thurston Howell in Gilligan's Island?

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

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Science is nothing but a series of corrected mistakes.

And isn't that awesome?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Science is nothing but a series of corrected mistakes.

Ya, which is passed off as truth and imposed on evreyone else's beliefs as if it's some type of supreme authority...

I think the point you're missing is that the result of a corrected mistake is something which is correct.

But hey, if you'd like to go back to the way things were when mistakes were all we had then please, enjoy dying of TB in a mud hut somewhere.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Science is nothing but a series of corrected mistakes.

Ya, which is passed off as truth and imposed on evreyone else's beliefs as if it's some type of supreme authority...

I think the point you're missing is that the result of a corrected mistake is something which is correct.

Until they correct it again...

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But hey, if you'd like to go back to the way things were when mistakes were all we had then please, enjoy dying of TB in a mud hut somewhere.

I guess this is the part where we play penis swords and bicker back and forth shouting "I know you are, but what am I" for 2-3 pages until bilvon tells us to cut it out and locks the thread...

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

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But hey, if you'd like to go back to the way things were when mistakes were all we had then please, enjoy dying of TB in a mud hut somewhere.

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I guess this is the part where we play penis swords and bicker back and forth shouting "I know you are, but what am I" for 2-3 pages until bilvon tells us to cut it out and locks the thread...

I think you misunderstand.
We live in a perfect world today all at the hands and good graces of science. We can die of TB in a Hollywood mansion these days.


Scientists are engineers.
They don't make mistakes.
They make changes.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
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So...you believe in Bacchus, eh?

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is that the actor that played Thurston Howell in Gilligan's Island?

Thanks dude!
I had dreams about Dawn Wells and Tina Louise all night.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
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Science is nothing but a series of corrected mistakes.

Ya, which is passed off as truth and imposed on evreyone else's beliefs as if it's some type of supreme authority...

I think the point you're missing is that the result of a corrected mistake is something which is correct.

Not necessarily at all. You can easily make another mistake.

You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions.

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Science is nothing but a series of corrected mistakes.

Ya, which is passed off as truth and imposed on evreyone else's beliefs as if it's some type of supreme authority...

I think the point you're missing is that the result of a corrected mistake is something which is correct.

Not necessarily at all. You can easily make another mistake.

Product development at its best....a whole series of corrected mistakes...and you still can't get it right. Well, not as yet anyway.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

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He already performed the ultimate miracle through his death and ressurection. All the events of scripture have culminated to this point...it is finished.

The men who witnessed these things didn't have video cameras but they wrote down what they saw...either you believe or you don't.

These two statements are no different than what could be used to validate the legitimacy of any other religion. It doesn't help in any way to establish the Christian God as the right God. Which is my point, if the Christian God existed, why would he be content with the belief of him having equal evidence as the evidence for any other religion. Surely if saving souls was important to him he would see that Christianity looks just like every other religion and believers of other faiths have the same 'recorded miracles' as Christianity has, and think "Hey, let me show them who the real God is."

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You all keep seeking the irrelevant while ignoring the obvious. The proof you seek will never be produced. The proof of changed lives and unlocked potential is all around you. Faith is just the bridge into a world of limitless real psychological possibilities.

If that is your reason for being religious, then I hope you're extremely open minded to others religions. As they have all seen the changed lived caused by their beliefs and see the world as a result of the things they believe in. It doesn't take the belief in a God to see the beauty in the world, some just don't need to believe something bigger and more powerful created it.

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Any rate, even today plenty of people see more than enough evidence of some sort of God being out there. So maybe the problem isn't in not enough evidence, its that no amount will convince skeptics that a) God is real and most importantly -- going with the above -- that b) Following God is a good thing (which is what its really all about). You can believe God exists all day long, but in OT/NT theology, if you aren't trusting that His word is for the best, and trying to be in line with Him, you're in trouble.

Yes, plenty of people see the need to tie beauty to creationalism. That doesn't make it any more likely that it's true. People have been trying to explain things for the beginning of time, and tying it to some mystical entity was a primal way of doing it. Why? Because that's all they could imagine. That's not evidence for the existence of God, that's just people trying to explain something they didn't know how to. Fire at one stage was also a miracle performed by Gods, and lightning too - things that can now be tied to physics (and don't try say that they're still creations of God, because then you're missing the point. These things were tied to Gods because they didn't know how it was formed and therefore was a direct and physical action of God)

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Science is nothing but a series of corrected mistakes.

And isn't that awesome?

Yes it is, but its also worth bearing in mind when discussing topics that the media (and indeed some scientists) spin as absolute scientific truths.

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

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The men who witnessed these things didn't have video cameras but they wrote down what they saw

Seriously? They wrote down what they saw? Semi-nomadic agrarians in the Bronze Age? What was their level of literacy? Of education? Of skills at observing, understanding and accurately reporting facts? What is the likelihood that someone who "saw or heard something" understood what he was seeing or hearing, interpreted it correctly, and had the literacy skills to report it accurately, and all in the first person?

Maybe young school children will accept the premise of "before video cameras were invented, the ancient people saw things and wrote down what they saw", but that just doesn't fly among educated adults in modern society. Well, at least it shouldn't; and the only reason why it can is because societies indoctrinate children virtually from birth; that indoctrination is passed down through the generations as part of the social norms and imperatives; and once ingrained, that's very difficult to shake in the face of social pressure and reinforcement - including, most powerfully, the very real threat of being ostracized.

All of this stuff is pretty basic, you know.

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...if the Christian God existed, why would he be content with the belief of him having equal evidence as the evidence for any other religion.

I dunno. Ask Him. I cannot presume to know why He would be content with anything.

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....The proof of changed lives and unlocked potential is all around you. Faith is just the bridge into a world of limitless real psychological possibilities.

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If that is your reason for being religious, then I hope you're extremely open minded to others religions. As they have all seen the changed lived caused by their beliefs and see the world as a result of the things they believe in. It doesn't take the belief in a God to see the beauty in the world, some just don't need to believe something bigger and more powerful created it.

And that's fine with me. Is it OK with you?

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...That's not evidence for the existence of God, that's just people trying to explain something they didn't know how to.

Jut like science. Even as it stands today. Are you looking for any particular type of "evidence"?


I like your post here. We're discussing, not arguing...how refreshing.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

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Seriously? They wrote down what they saw? Semi-nomadic agrarians in the Bronze Age? What was their level of literacy? Of education? Of skills at observing, understanding and accurately reporting facts? What is the likelihood that someone who "saw or heard something" understood what he was seeing or hearing, interpreted it correctly, and had the literacy skills to report it accurately, and all in the first person?

Well, you ask questions with obvious answers. On top of that, it doesn't take an "ancient" to screw up things like that. Modern man does it all the time...yet we, as a whole, still believe the screw-ups.

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... ancient people saw things and wrote down what they saw", but that just doesn't fly among educated adults in modern society.

No? Humans did exactly that...and still do it.
You must be talking about times before writing was developed.

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...societies indoctrinate children virtually from birth;

Yes. In all manner of life lessons.

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...that indoctrination is passed down through the generations as part of the social norms and imperatives;

Yes. It's quite normal (don't as me, ask Quade what that means). Parents and societies as a whole do that and have done it since time immemorial. I expect that will continue.

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and once ingrained, that's very difficult to shake in the face of social pressure and reinforcement - including, most powerfully, the very real threat of being ostracized.

Doesn't sound any different than what children face today in all walks of life. I expect that will also continue.

Do you have a problem with "indoctrinating" youth when it comes to ...
-politics
-table manners
-obeying the law
-(insert activity here)


Now, back to science, everything you wrote applies to the science people, too. Do you agree with that?

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

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You all keep seeking the irrelevant while ignoring the obvious. The proof you seek will never be produced. The proof of changed lives and unlocked potential is all around you. Faith is just the bridge into a world of limitless real psychological possibilities.

If that is your reason for being religious seeking God, then I hope you're extremely open minded to others religions. As they have all seen the changed lived caused by their beliefs and see the world as a result of the things they believe in. It doesn't take the belief in a God to see the beauty in the world, some just don't need to believe something bigger and more powerful created it.


Like all conscientious souls, I am trying to make sense out of the chaos. I examine any system of
faith or knowledge I can find. It is not difficult to differentiate what is of God and what is of our own creation.


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God and what is of our own creation.


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God and what is of our own creation.

As is science. This whole discussion has become an argument in semantics. How we label our observations, in our limited vocabulary, doesn't change the ultimate nature of those observations.

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Science is nothing but a series of corrected mistakes.

Ya, which is passed off as truth and imposed on evreyone else's beliefs as if it's some type of supreme authority...

I think the point you're missing is that the result of a corrected mistake is something which is correct.

Not necessarily at all.

Yes necessarily. Unless your definition of 'corrected' is 'not necessarily corrected'.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Now, back to science, everything you wrote applies to the science people, too. Do you agree with that?

Semi nomadic agrarians in the bronze age?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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These two statements are no different than what could be used to validate the legitimacy of any other religion. It doesn't help in any way to establish the Christian God as the right God. Which is my point.

I simply answering your question of why doesn't God perform some miracles like he used to in the Bible. I gave you an explanation and you didn't like...big surprise.

Your point, like always, is that God doesn't do things the way you want him to, therefore he is wrong and doesn't exist.

He said I AM WHO I AM, not I am whatever you want me to be....

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if the Christian God existed, why would he be content with the belief of him having equal evidence as the evidence for any other religion. Surely if saving souls was important to him he would see that Christianity looks just like every other religion and believers of other faiths have the same 'recorded miracles' as Christianity has, and think "Hey, let me show them who the real God is."

Pffft...reminds me of this:
And those who passed by spoke reproachfully and abusively and jeered at Him, wagging their heads,
And they said.....If You are the Son of God, come down from the cross.

In the same way the chief priests, with the scribes and elders, made sport of Him, saying, He rescued others from death; Himself He cannot rescue from death. He is the King of Israel? Let Him come down from the cross now, and we will believe in and acknowledge and cleave to Him.

Pesonally I wouldn't expect God to entertain and give way to such arrogance.

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Seriously? They wrote down what they saw? Semi-nomadic agrarians in the Bronze Age?

Embellish much? Lately it seems as though you are having difficulty making a point without having to exaggerate.

First, It's clear from the quotes I provided that I was referring to the NT.

Second, of the 66 books in the Bible, only 8 were written in the last couple hundred years of the late bronze age.

Many people like to cast doubt on scripture by attacking the reliabilty of the early writers and continually pointing out some of the more equivocal ideas that are only compised in a small portion of scripture. They avoid the more practical ideas like those found in Proverbs and Ecclesiastes. Much of the wisdom found in those books most certainly can be applied today and demonstrates that civilization back then wasn't as irrelevent as some would like it to be.

For the most part, human nature hasn't changed much in the last several thousand years...

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What was their level of literacy? Of education? Of skills at observing, understanding and accurately reporting facts.... and all in the first person?

It varries...
Matthew was a tax collector, probably not the most honest person prior to his conversion, but he was a first person witness.

Mark was not an eye witness but he did accompany Peter through his ministry as his interpreter. The book is considered to be the memoirs of Peter.

Luke was not an eye witness but he was a physician who accompanied Paul durring his travels. He's believed to be the author of the book of acts and the gospel of luke. (I tend to be more partial to the content and literary style of this gospel.)

John was a fisherman and eyewitness to Christ's earthly ministry. Many people consider fishermen to be liars...

Peter was an overzealous loud mouth and like most apostles didn't really understand the objective of Jesus' ministry. It wasn't until he matured that he had anything beneficial to say. His writings are probably the most underrated and ignored books of the NT because of the tendancy to cause division. Basically, if you study Peter's writings you'll be able to spot a false teacher comming a mile away. False teachers running churches don't like this.

Paul was a highly respect Pharisee...it's clear from his writings that he was no dummy. It's hard to say what christianity would be today without his insight and determination.

None of this of course really matters once the spiritual truths drawn from scripture are applied and transforms one's life.

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societies indoctrinate children virtually from birth; indoctrination is passed down through the generations as part of the social norms and imperatives;and once ingrained, that's very difficult to shake in the face of social pressure and reinforcement

I just don't buy it. It seems to me most people don't really understand the faith when they're young. As they grow into their teens and early twenties it tends to be virtually non-existent. they don't necessarilly consider themselves atheists, but thier beliefs just don't serve any practical relevence...out of sight out of mind.

I think many atheists can relate to that...they grew up in religious families but the the lack of practice in their late adolescence through early adulthood evolved into atheism...

It isn't until one matures and finds a reason to turn back and give it another shot that they can begin to see if they missed something and then apply scripture through faith to experience some type of life changing result and gain understanding.

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- including, most powerfully, the very real threat of being ostracized

I don't buy that either. You can go out in public to the gocery store, library, the club, work, wherever and chances are that you're not gonna be hearing about some long drawn out discussion about God. It's hardly thrown into peoples' faces as much as they would like to claim. One could probably go their whole life without ever having to disclose their personal religious beliefs. I dare you to go out in public and start talking about judgement/atonement and see how many friends you make...

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