charlie5 0 #51 January 17, 2012 QuoteQuoteAre you willing to risk something similar to what happened in Japan? Do you think we should be building more Nuke plants in California? Um, yeah. That's why I said baseline power should be provided by nuclear. I think electric cars and trucks (charged with said nuclear power) should be the way to go. For aircraft, biofuels are probably a better alternative for the near term future. So while we're transitioning to more expensive forms of energy, other countries that could care less, and produce pollution in such great quantities that it voids our efforts to go "green" will reap the benefits of cheaper energy while America pays the price for feeling good and less guilty?The feather butts bounce off ya like raindrops hitting a battle-star when they come in too fast...kinda funny to watch. - airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #52 January 17, 2012 Quote So while we're transitioning to more expensive forms of energy, other countries that could care less, and produce pollution in such great quantities that it voids our efforts to go "green" will reap the benefits of cheaper energy while America pays the price for feeling good and less guilty? Don't be silly. With that type of mindset, it would also reflect in other areas - I we had those types of cosmetic legislation in other areas, people would be complaining about jobs and technology going overseas too. no worries, that's why we hire people to make these decisions, they never make mistakes just to get 'feel good' votes ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #53 January 17, 2012 QuoteSo while we're transitioning to more expensive forms of energy, other countries that could care less, and produce pollution in such great quantities that it voids our efforts to go "green" will reap the benefits of cheaper energy while America pays the price for feeling good and less guilty? Did I say that we had to make the switch overnight? I don't think I did. If you're worried about international competition, you're apparent position is the worst case. Keep burning foreign oil while China invests in developing the next generation energy technology. When we run out of oil, we'll still be dependant on foreigners because we never figured out how to do cheap solar or safe nuclear. Great plan. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #54 January 17, 2012 And another thing. You assume I hold my position beause I'm some green eco-Nazi. You're wrong. I hold my position because I want to se America free itself from foreign dependance. If we get off the Saudi oil tit, we can tell the entire Middle East to go fuck itself (Israel included) and they can spend all their energy killing each other instead of messing with us. Right now we deal with ,and protect at great expense, various unfriendly nations because we need their oil. If we don't need their oil anymore, we'll save money and be safer. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
charlie5 0 #55 January 17, 2012 I don't think you're an eco-green nazi. But as far as foreign dependence on oil, I agree we should get off it as much as possible. But that means a combination of new energies, PLUS access to our own oil sources which we're not allowed to do because of "green" reasons, even though China/Cuba/Russia are drilling near our own waters. I also agree with using more Nuclear power, but when was the last time a new power plant was approved, much less built? It's another venue to energy independence that's also quashed by the "green" movement.The feather butts bounce off ya like raindrops hitting a battle-star when they come in too fast...kinda funny to watch. - airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #56 January 17, 2012 >I also agree with using more Nuclear power, but when was the last > time a new power plant was approved, much less built? ============ Approval of Reactor Design Clears Path for New Plants Westinghouse Westinghouse's AP1000 nuclear power plant will use a design that relies on forces like gravity and natural heat convection. By MATTHEW L. WALD Published: December 22, 2011 WASHINGTON — The Nuclear Regulatory Commission unanimously approved a radical new reactor design on Thursday, clearing away a major obstacle for two utilities to begin construction on projects in South Carolina and Georgia. Green The decision, a milestone in the much-delayed revival of plant construction sought by the nuclear industry, involves the Westinghouse AP1000, a 1,154-megawatt reactor with a so-called advanced passive design. It relies more heavily on forces like gravity and natural heat convection and less on pumps, valves and operator actions than other models do, in theory diminishing the probability of an accident. ============= Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #57 January 17, 2012 QuoteApproval of Reactor Design Clears Path for New Plants Westinghouse YAY ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #58 January 17, 2012 QuoteBut as far as foreign dependence on oil, I agree we should get off it as much as possible. But that means a combination of new energies, PLUS access to our own oil sources which we're not allowed to do because of "green" reasons, even though China/Cuba/Russia are drilling near our own waters. The reason why I'm reluctant to promote expanded drilling in the States is because I worry that we'll drill everything we have, and still not have alternatives ready. We really do need to start getting our ducks in a row. Allowing unfettered drilling will only delay reasearch, while compressing the time we have until we run out. Also, it should be noted that an increase in drilling does not necessarily equate to cheaper and more available domestic sources of oil. Oil companies currently export a portion of their domestic oil products, so it's not like we'd really be changing the domestic/imported balance as much as people like to think. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
charlie5 0 #59 January 17, 2012 About f'ing timeThe feather butts bounce off ya like raindrops hitting a battle-star when they come in too fast...kinda funny to watch. - airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #60 January 17, 2012 Quote>I also agree with using more Nuclear power, but when was the last > time a new power plant was approved, much less built? ============ Approval of Reactor Design Clears Path for New Plants Westinghouse Westinghouse's AP1000 nuclear power plant will use a design that relies on forces like gravity and natural heat convection. By MATTHEW L. WALD Published: December 22, 2011 WASHINGTON — The Nuclear Regulatory Commission unanimously approved a radical new reactor design on Thursday, clearing away a major obstacle for two utilities to begin construction on projects in South Carolina and Georgia. Green The decision, a milestone in the much-delayed revival of plant construction sought by the nuclear industry, involves the Westinghouse AP1000, a 1,154-megawatt reactor with a so-called advanced passive design. It relies more heavily on forces like gravity and natural heat convection and less on pumps, valves and operator actions than other models do, in theory diminishing the probability of an accident. ============= Will this shorten the 12 year permiting time frame? (I am not sure how an approved design affects the permitting process but, I could see it shortening it)"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #61 January 17, 2012 Quote If we get off the Saudi oil tit, Saudi Arabia isn't our largest supplier of oil, BTW... From http://www.consumerenergyreport.com/2010/01/25/top-10-sources-for-u-s-oil-for-2009/ Top 10 Sources for U.S. Crude Oil in 2009 1. Canada – 1.94 million bpd 2. Mexico – 1.13 3. Saudi Arabia – 1.09 4. Venezuela – 1.01 5. Nigeria – 0.74 6. Angola – 0.48 7. Iraq – 0.47 8. Brazil – 0.30 9. Algeria – 0.28 10. Colombia – 0.25 FYIWe are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #62 January 17, 2012 Quote Quote Approval of Reactor Design Clears Path for New Plants Westinghouse YAY +1!!!We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #63 January 17, 2012 QuoteSaudi Arabia isn't our largest supplier of oil, BTW... That's good to know. So then why do we spend so much time/effort/money/lives worrying about the Middle East? Fuck 'em, we apparently don't need 'em. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #64 January 17, 2012 QuoteQuoteSaudi Arabia isn't our largest supplier of oil, BTW... That's good to know. So then why do we spend so much time/effort/money/lives worrying about the Middle East? Fuck 'em, we apparently don't need 'em. I keep saying we should invade Canada, but nobody listens. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #65 January 17, 2012 Quote So then why do we spend so much time/effort/money/lives worrying about the Middle East? That's a good question. Here's the top oil producing countries in the world: # Producing Nation bbl/d (2006) bbl/d (2007) bbl/d (2008) bbl/d (2009) Present Share 1 Saudi Arabia 10,665 10,234 10,782 9,760 11.8% 2 Russia 9,677 9,876 9,789 9,934 12.0% 3 United States 8,331 8,481 8,514 9,141 11.1% I'm guessing they supply alot of western democracies, and are reasonable in doing so. Can't think of another reason. BTW, tried to google buyers of Saudi Arabian oil, and couldn't find anything meaningful in a quick search.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #66 January 17, 2012 QuoteQuote So then why do we spend so much time/effort/money/lives worrying about the Middle East? That's a good question. Here's the top oil producing countries in the world: # Producing Nation bbl/d (2006) bbl/d (2007) bbl/d (2008) bbl/d (2009) Present Share 1 Saudi Arabia 10,665 10,234 10,782 9,760 11.8% 2 Russia 9,677 9,876 9,789 9,934 12.0% 3 United States 8,331 8,481 8,514 9,141 11.1% I'm guessing they supply alot of western democracies, and are reasonable in doing so. Can't think of another reason. BTW, tried to google buyers of Saudi Arabian oil, and couldn't find anything meaningful in a quick search. From the CIA worldbook: Exports - commodities: petroleum and petroleum products 90% Exports - partners: Japan 14.3%, China 13.1%, US 13%, South Korea 8.8%, India 8.3%, Singapore 4.5% (2010)Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,596 #67 January 17, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteSaudi Arabia isn't our largest supplier of oil, BTW... That's good to know. So then why do we spend so much time/effort/money/lives worrying about the Middle East? Fuck 'em, we apparently don't need 'em. I keep saying we should invade Canada, but nobody listens. Maybe they ran out of bombs. Next time you email the White House, offer to send more. Every little helps.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #68 January 18, 2012 QuoteQuoteQuoteSaudi Arabia isn't our largest supplier of oil, BTW... That's good to know. So then why do we spend so much time/effort/money/lives worrying about the Middle East? Fuck 'em, we apparently don't need 'em. I keep saying we should invade Canada, but nobody listens. Didn't work out so well last time.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
